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Pandemonium

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Ingeniero

Mar-23-2017 2:21 PM

 

Pandemonium

Ridley Scott has cited Christian history (see below quote, "very bad" meant killing Jesus in regards to the timeline) and the poem Paradise Lost when explaining story drivers. It is just that Ridley Scott chose a crucifixion in a time of many crucifixions as different from the rest of those hung on a cross, 2000 years ago. 

"We did something very, very bad, and somehow the consequences of that dreadful act accompanied the Engineers back to LV-223 and massacred them.  If you have uneasy suspicions about what 'a bad thing approximately 2,000 years ago' might be, then let me reassure you that you are right.”

Ridley Scott, movies.com

(Pandemonium is also the name of the City, where Satan has his seat of Power, they (Demons) built this place and it is kind of like Satans Headquarters; Pandemonium would also describe a Hell Breaking loose, and a Outbreak that results in Xenomorphs as the Poster shows would be such a event. Thank you BigDave.)

Does this image below show Pandemonium?

And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 13:42

It is also not a secret that the concepts of Paradise Lost made a huge impact on Ridley Scott's team in developing the concepts of Prometheus and many topics on this board have covered it at length.

The concepts shown in Prometheus in relation to Paradise Lost were the Fallen Angel progeny, the worshipped Nephilim Giants (Engineer's relation in Dr. Shaw's notes below).

Is the xenomorph image above Ridley Scott's interpretation of Pandemonium and will we see the same concepts (Christian History, Paradise Lost) manifested in Alien: Covenant? 

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44 Responses to Pandemonium

BigDave

Mar-24-2017 3:57 PM

Interesting ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Mar-24-2017 3:58 PM

Pandemonium can have multiple meanings

  1. wild and noisy disorder or confusion; uproar."there was complete pandemonium—everyone just panicked"
  2. mid 17th century: modern Latin (denoting the place of all demons, in Milton's Paradise Lost )

And so indeed we are loosely following the Tales set within Paradise Lost and the LV-223 Engineers are kind of Fallen Angels.

Pandemonium is also the name of the City, where Satan has his seat of Power, they (Demons) built this place and it is kind of like Satans Headquarters 

Pandemonium would also describe a Hell Breaking loose, and a Outbreak that results in Xenomorphs as the Poster shows would be such a event.

The Source did say they was contemplating Pandemonium as the title or at least used in the title for the Prometheus sequel.

They also claimed in regards to Paradise Lost in context to connecting to Prometheus 2, that the Scene where Fallen Angels was turned into Serpents is a event that gave them freedom from bondage.

This Poster indeed can be taken just as that part from Paradise Lost after the Fallen Angels are cast down and some of them are transformed into Serpents.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

Mar-24-2017 4:40 PM

Thank you so much BigDave. I didn't know that regarding the term Pandemonium as a component of the Prometheus sequel title.

That is exactly what I'm talking about...after the council is established and addressed by the Serpent with the false promise of a return to glory. Then the disfigurement and chaos that followed for the Serpent and his infernal peers.

Pandemonium was built suddenly, in hours, and far surpassing anything man could ever hope to build. This capital was built out of the great Deep

I have read interpretation of the Deep to signify outer space in some instances and the one specific instance was the flood on Earth in the story of Noah.

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Genesis 7:11 

I do accept the interpretation of the Deep this context to mean outer space and that may be where Pandemonium was created and the latest Alien:Covenant movie poster may show but a small slice of what is there. I know I jumped back and forth from the Bible and Paradise Lost clumsy in the topic title writing in regards to the potential Pandemonium image. Thank you again for filling in so much that I didn't have. 

Also, do you believe that is a hammerpede to the back-right of the central xenomorph?

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BigDave

Mar-24-2017 5:02 PM

Indeed yes very similar to the Hammerpede, and much like the Top of the poster is similar to the Trilobite as i made a Topic here to point out ;)

Covenant Poster Trilobite?

The Source i had did say the Deacon and Hammerpede are connected as far as how LV-223 and LV-426 are. But that the Deacon in Prometheus would have a lot of Evolving to do. (which seems to hint its not possible to connect to Alien).

But this does not mean a Previous Deacon can not.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Mar-24-2017 5:05 PM

Also this image of Satan on his Throne that is on top of that Dome... now many Ancient Culture depict Thrones as made from Gold.

So this image could match this

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

Mar-24-2017 7:39 PM

Great connection to the throne BigDave.

Here are enhanced images pulled from your image provided above. Thank you.

Left of temple dome.

Right of temple dome.

The temple surrounding structure looks symmetrical.

Below is the far right side of the topic title image.

 

 

BigDave

Mar-24-2017 8:16 PM

It will be interesting to see what the designs are like inside the Temple and if we get like a Throne or like a Coliseum, we know from the Set Reports there are Giant Head Statues all Facing Each other in a like a Circle, Ridley referred to them as both 10  Apostle's and Superior Beings.

But they also described a Sacrificial Altar/Bench and a Dagger so thats going to be interesting.

We actually had something similar in the Star Beast Mural

And my abandoned attempted Re-write of Lindeloffs Paradise was to reveal a similar room to this behind the Mural in Prometheus.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

Mar-24-2017 8:32 PM

Diving deeper into the Engineer pyramid...I like that story line with the further travels into the ruins in your script BigDave.

Yes, it will be very interesting to see what is going on inside the Engineer temple.

Ingeniero

Mar-24-2017 8:49 PM

Here is the movie poster enhanced upside down that may show Pandemonium. 

Ingeniero

Mar-24-2017 9:03 PM

This alien looks different than the xenomorph in the middle.

What is this below that looks like a sting ray?

 

chli

Mar-25-2017 1:37 AM

Interesting with the golden "solar panels" that you highlighted, Ingeniero. There might be four of them positioned symmetrically around the dome and somehow connected to the golden"apparatus" on the top? This could be the doomsday machine BD suggested? If there is an outbreak of sorts, the "solar panels" are aligned . . .

BigDave

Mar-25-2017 3:34 AM

Indeed there appears to be some different looking Xenomorphs, but it appears if this is showing a Transformation of something to Xenomorphs so they could be part of a Transformation...  as it shows these Organisms in many twisted and warped stages of Mutation.

Indeed a few look like the Queen a bit if we had a Queen minus its Head Carapace/Crown if you would.  The same can be said with the King Xeno Statue by Sideshow.

I think it shows us that there are/was a number of different looking Xenomorph's and Face Huggers.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Mar-25-2017 3:38 AM

@Chli

Maybe i think the Dome and that Gold Device has to have a logical explanation and use.

Looking back at the OT image of Satan on his Throne on top of that Dome... if we look at this image in a different way and we say remove the Dome and Throne from this scene and place it on its own.. with no Satan sitting on the Throne.

Then the Dome looks like a Sphere, a World and the Throne looks like a Huge Fortress sitting at top of this World.

If this World is Hell, then that Fortress would be Pandemonium  and indeed this Throne has like Domes on it..

If you look at the Throne in this context then compare these.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

Mar-25-2017 8:39 AM

BigDave and chli, I thought the same thing regarding the steep golden triangular structures on either side of the dome.

Yes, I'm now leaning heavily towards a collective use (weapon maybe) with the golden bell-like structure and the corresponding golden peaks in the surrounding structures adjoining the temple dome.

chli

Mar-25-2017 10:53 AM

In a symbolic way I suppose we can look at the doomsday machine as the Devil, BD. Anyway, it seems that it's behind the massacre, using the sun or electricity to fry everyone in the city (perhaps the whole planet), hence the burnt bodies. On the other side of the dome, we see the city - houses etc where "people" lived? I wonder if parts of the crew ventured into that city, walked the streets and peered into the houses? Probably burnt corpses everywhere . . .

Ingeniero

Mar-25-2017 10:56 AM

I hadn't thought of that chli. It would be great to see a structure by structure search.

chli

Mar-25-2017 11:36 PM

Yes, and I wonder if the cult place (dome, temple, sacrificial altar) is in the centre of the city or at the end of it?

Ingeniero

Mar-26-2017 6:56 PM

Here are better shots enhanced of either side of the dome structure chli

Left side of temple dome on Paradise.

Right side of temple dome on Paradise.

chli

Mar-26-2017 9:46 PM

Nice work with the pictures, Ingeniero! There seems to be statues and columns to the the left and right of the dome, and something similar to sun panels, maybe four of them around the dome? And as BD points out, there are no burnt bodies on the other side of the (procession?) road. Perhaps suggesting that there is some kind of ritualistic mass sacrifice (or "safety valve")? They might have been infected by the mutagen which is suggested by this on set picture where a seemingly disfigured humanoid attacks another:

BigDave

Mar-27-2017 12:44 AM

I have covered that photo before, i think its just the angles and shadows at play here and its just TWO Humanoid beings interacting with each other, maybe in confrontational way?

The Angles and Lighting and Position of hands does seem to give the impression of one being having a mutated face and also elongated limbs but i think its just down to low resolution image and these beings are just turned to like Stone like the others.

Notice the Toppled Over Headless Statue.... is this something that happened before, maybe a mass War and conflict happened in the past so there was some kind of Civil War or Uprising and this is how these Monuments got Toppled...

Before then that Disaster that seemed to Burn/Change them to Stone... or was these Monuments knocked down by the Force of some Blast.

But i agree it looks unlikely a Black Goo Bombardment could cause any of this.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Mar-27-2017 1:04 AM

We need to look at this Dome Building it is very central to the city ruins,  it looks like indeed a Cathederal/Church that matches some Byzantine, Greek and Rome Constructions (Christianity)  and the Set Reports claim there is a Central Building that has a circle of Big Stone Heads like in Prometheus that are facing each other which Ridley Scott said was the Apostles and Superior Beings.  And also there was some kind of Sacrificial Altar in this Room too.

So this place has a Important and Religious role to those beings and its a Place and Ridley said where these beings keep their Knowledge. So its a very Specific Place.

We then have to ponder why such a place has Golden Device on-top and those Mirror like Structures all around it. It has to perform some function.

Then we need to look at how these beings do not seem to be Technologically Advanced, they appear to be as Advanced as Mankind was around and prior to the time of Christs Death.

There seems to be not evidence of the Advanced Technology of the LV-223 Engineers who had possesed such Technology for well over 2000 years, or the Pebble Ship from the Sacrificial Scene that has to be Millions and Millions of years old.

So we have to ponder why do these beings on Paradise seem to not be as Technologically Advanced apart from this Central Dome Cathedral which is some place of Worship and Purpose and also has some Technological Purpose.

If this Place is Hell, then indeed this Central Area would be the Seat of Hells Power and Hall to Commemorate such more higher Power/Hierarchy.... Thus this is Pandemonium

Then we need to look at those Statues that are very much facing away to this Temple and look like the Buddha Offerings Statues, and a number of Buddha Statues are depicted holding a Ceremonial Bowl

 

Ridley Scott referred to this Scene as being like a Ancient Mayan one where one Person would be Chosen to be a Sacrifice and for the year they would be treated as a Prince and after the year is up they would be Sacrificed to the Gods for the greater course of their kind.

If we look at all of this then it kind of adds up EXACTLY to what the Source had claimed.

so its possible those beings on Paradise are given this World to live on and prosper but they must for-fill a Ritual Purpose for those who are above and created them...

They are taught things but only as far as much as Ancient Mankind was, and maybe these beings are collected as Sacrifices by their Creators/Hierarchy.

Maybe every now and again the Hierarchy comes down to this place to collect a Sacrifice or a few and these are taken to other Worlds to Perform that Ritual.

Maybe like in the Annunaki Tale of the Igigi these beings rebelled against this Purpose, and maybe this is why Mankind was created and then these beings Punished?

I can see this making sense now... i guess time will tell if this could be the case.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Mar-27-2017 1:12 AM

while looking into Buddha because of how those Seated Statues with what looks like a Bowl in their hands looks..

I found this as far as one of the Oldest Buddha Temple, and oldest Stone Structure in India.  The 'Great Stupa'

I am now convinced its more than Coincidence that this Buddhist Monument and Buddha Sitting Statues look too much like the Temple/Dome in Alien Covenant

The Purpose for the Dome could be similar to the Sanci Great Stupa

This place was donated as a Place of High Rank and Intended to Store and Honor the Relics and Artifacts of the Great Buddha

Which matches what Ridley Scott said about the one set in Alien Covenant that had those 10 Stone Heads of the Apostles and Superior Beings and where they Stored their Knowledge.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Mar-27-2017 1:42 AM

Here is more information about STUPA's

The More Ancient Ones look like the Temple Domes in Prometheus and the more Modern Ones always have Gold on the Top.

In the last image at the bottom is the 3 components of the Top of the Stupa.

Chatra's: Which symbolizes a important Deity or King


Yasti: Which Represents the Earth’s center around which the universe is thought to revolve.


Harmika: Which Represents a Gate, Protection and symbol of honour and respect. 

However i am not so sure we can read to much into how these components fit... but it does seem the general use for a Stupa could apply to that Dome in Alien Covenant and Prometheus.

*Place of Religious Importance

*Where Knowledge and Relics of their Deity's are kept

*Where Remains of their Deity are kept (in Urns).

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

Mar-27-2017 4:09 AM

It is going to take more than one line to thank you BigDave.

I thought that the Engineer's were similar to the Igigi in Annunaki Tale of the Igigi. Especially when Ridley Scott started talking about who the Engineers answer to.

"more than Coincidence that this Buddhist Monument and Buddha Sitting Statues look too much like the Temple/Dome in Alien Covenant."

The comparison and the example photos of the Sanci Great Stupa are nothing short of amazing. 

I jumped back to LV-223 because of the similarity of the Engineer pyramid to Sanchi Stupa. Yes, the LV-223 is most likely a military installation but the overall shape of the pyramid structure is too similar for coincidence.

Another great point you make above is the apparent point in time is the Engineers on Paradise and their technological progress at the time they were wiped out.

The society on Paradise looks pre-industrial (like ancient Rome) or post-industrial were radically-advanced technology blends into the background in order to be called up for a task (example: hologram on LV-223).

I also thought the same thing in regards to the sitting statues visible around the temple in the images above. They look like Buddha statues and their placement in relation to the temple is similar as well. They are almost a mirror image in comparison to Earth temples.

 

 

Ingeniero

Mar-27-2017 4:18 AM

A trailer for this topic has been uploaded to YouTube.

Thank you all contributors.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwyNYNcR59pbLUGn4_qhx8Q

 

BigDave

Mar-27-2017 4:42 AM

Indeed, and i think we need to rember Ridley was going the whole Ancient Astronaughts and Chariots of the Gods aspect.

Where Ancient Mankind was very limited but the Temples there Gods had built were considered to be Ancient Technology.

These kinds of theories are what Stargate SG1 touched upon.

We have to consider the LV-223 Outpost and note that these buildings did indeed somehow maybe Terra-form that world, well at least they was being used to make the Atmosphere inside habitable to Humanoids.

Spaights draft went even further and indeed they contained Terra-forming Technologies, and at the end of the draft there was Pyramids that Lit up the Sky with a Beacon.

so again if we go back to the Cathedral Dome in Alien Covenant then maybe indeed it fits some purpose too.

Power Plant? Terra-forming Device? some other Ancient Communications Device?  

Or a Fail Safe Device to Pull the Plug on wayward civilizations or could this be a alternative use to a more Benign Original Use.

A Nuclear Power Station is a Great Source of Energy but they have a disadvantage as seen with the Fukishima Disaster and a lot of people had Concerns about the Cern LHC Experiment and what Dangers it could pose if Experiments went wrong.

so a Technology for One Purpose could indeed be turned into a Devastating Weapon.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

LV226

Mar-27-2017 6:37 AM

Nice @BigDave lots to mull over.

chli

Mar-28-2017 12:03 AM

Have a look at this close-up of two "fighting" corpses. They don't look neither like engineers nor humans to me. Notice the "eyes" (might be shadows from the fingers of the one closest - with a strangely shaped arm?) and ear of the one furthest away.

Ingeniero

Mar-28-2017 1:39 PM

Hi chli. I'm starting to lean way toward's you and BigDave in regards to a power plant/ duel use tech for temple structure. Especially in regards to an electromagnetic weapon when looking at the array of gold on the top of the temple and the gold peaks and surrounding structures.

The burnt bodies above are discussed below.

BigDave performed the analysis below under this topic.

"I think its just how the Shadows and Light play, and its low resolution and so can make you see things not there.

Its now confirmed these are Props, and they are in a state of destruction, something horrific has happened to them and they are like Stone Statues... and Burnt and so this is why they look deformed.

These TWO are either fighting or embracing before the impending disaster.."

Found below:

What really killed those beings on Paradise? 

by BigDave

 

chli

Mar-28-2017 8:01 PM

Yes, Ingeniero it might be as BD suggests, with the hand and shadows, and the fact that they have been burnt (by some kind of energy blast?). Still, they look strange and deformed, perhaps from the energy blast or they might be mutated (engineers? humans?). Yes, they could be attacking one another or comforting one another in the hour of doom.

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