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What really killed those beings on Paradise?

What really killed those beings on Paradise?

BigDave

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Posted Mar-11-2017 3:05 PM

I think it's time maybe we look at what really could have killed those beings (Engineers or related) on Paradise?

I always felt the Scene from the earlier shots we had looked more like some Ancient Sodom and Gomorrah type of Event, a Punishment against those beings on Paradise for doing something to maybe upset their Creators or Hierarchy?

We have the other theory that David Drops the Black Goo on them via dropping Urns on them, but we see no proof of Urns, and then how come the Juggernaught Crashes into the Mountains after this?   The 4Chan leak claims however this was the case.

I beg to differ... and now we have more clues via latest Trailer i think its time to maybe discuss alternatives.

Clearly Prometheus showed us the Black Goo either Genetically Mutates/Evolved Organic Life into a Hybrid or it maybe also leads to their Genetic Structure being broken down, i guess it depends how the Goo interacted with the Target/Victim.

These Char-grilled/Burnt Beings look like a Scene from Pompeii only they are more detailed and do not look like they have been covered in ASH, they look Scorched...  Its like a Biblical Event like Sodom and Gomorrah where indeed Lots Wife looked back after fleeing those Cities and she was turned into a Pillar of Salt.

Prometheus had a lot of Biblical Themes, but maybe we need to not consider them too literally. Indeed we are off to Paradise where in the Biblical Sense we had the Cradle of Creation, the Garden of Eden and where Man was created.

But Adam had Sinned and Eve too and they was cast out of the Garden and Cast out of Paradise..... Now in Context to the Franchise we are shown this Paradise World is a separate place it is not on Earth at all.  It however is where maybe Creation had came from, because if those Engineers played a role in our Creation and if they came from Paradise which is were the Covenant Lands,  could other Biblical Events loosely apply?

So as we have seen what the Black Goo does in Prometheus.. can the Black Goo do this?

Can it Mummify/Petrify Engineers?

Can the Urns be released with such Force to Knock over Stone Monuments and Cause Serve Damage them?

Or is there perhaps another far more Ancient Event at hand?

 

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BigDave

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Posted Mar-11-2017 3:19 PM

We see most of these beings seem to had been killed around this central location where the Cathedral is placed at the Center, this was a Place of Worship a Place to Honor and show the greatness of as Ridley Scott said,  10 Apostles, superior beings and wise men.

Clearly these 10 beings was seen as greater than the rest of those beings who are dead in this image?

In the Tale of Sodom and Gomorrah  it was God who said he would destroy these places unless he could find 10 Righteous and just beings in these Cities..

He could not and so God reigns down Fire and Brimstone.

In this piece of Ancient Art we see Sodom and Gomorrah in flames, but we also see Lots Wife looking back as she is turned into a Pillar of Salt if you pay attention she is being stuck by a Bolt of Lighting that has turned her into like Stone!

The Center Temple the Cathedral of the Engineers has what appears to be something at the top of it, that looks like Technology, it is Gold

Gold had many uses by Ancient Mankind a lot of cultures constructed monuments and statues to the Gods from Gold, many Ancient Alien theories tell that Mankind was created by Alien beings who came to Earth to Mine for Gold, the Annunaki tale is one of these, and they created the Igigi a lower caste of Gods to perform this Toil.. but they rebelled and this is why Mankind was Created.

This may have gone a bit off Topic..

But we see this Cathedral has these like devices at the Top that are made with Gold, one Good use for Gold is its a Fantastic Conductor of Electricity and it can withstand Corrosion

Is this some kind of Ancient Terra-forming Device?

Does it indeed conduct Electricity and could it had by accident or on purpose created a Huge Tesla Coil like Reaction that Fried all those Engineers or Beings..

Was this done as some Biblical Punishment?

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SpiteHouse

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Posted Mar-11-2017 3:31 PM

In that leaked set photo it looks like a humanoid struggling with that unknown creature from the mural in Prometheus.

Ati

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Posted Mar-11-2017 3:33 PM

The central dome and the pyramid are facing each other?

 

BigDave

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Posted Mar-11-2017 3:35 PM

I am inclined to believe so...

Its what i was drawn to when this image appeared online

We have what look like Female beings...  the other newer images clearly prove this but these are images that Fox Requested to be removed a while ago.

Lindeloff or may have been Spaights (or both) had said the Engineers used to be able to procreate at some point but they had Evolved past the need for this and they had found other ways to Replicate and Create Life.

HOWEVER..

Was these Ancient beings on Paradise the Forerunners for Mankind which indeed Ridley Scott had claimed, he said in the same interview if this is the case, then how does Worlds like Earth happen to be able to support life, who created that and where is the Big Guy.

This is a hint that some great Power these beings and their Hierarchy possess to maybe Terra-form Worlds.

But back to the Forerunners... Ridley recently had said the Engineers are indeed not the Top of the Chain, and he had also said that as far as Mankind goes, we are one of MANY and many variations.

These beings on Paradise look Humanoid, they look Engineers, they appear to be smaller though and they have FEMALES.. now a Race created by a higher power or beings, who have Males and Females can Procreate... If these beings are turning out to not be as intended or rebelious.... then having such things being able to Procreate is certainly a Problem... Imagine if they (Weyland Yutani ) Designed a Female Android and the Male and Female Synthetics can procreate and become Rebellious.

So what could be done?

Maybe the ENGINEERS, did not loose the ability to Procreate, maybe it was Taken From Them?  Maybe a Punishment wiped them out.

But they kept samples and proceeded to instead Clone the Males only, this certainly allows who ever created the Engineers or those beings on Paradise some Control back.

All of these things add up to EXACTLY what the Source had informed me about 2 years ago.

I can re-put those clues and information they mentioned on here in regards to this, saves having to trawl through old posts and i can provide message links and proof and even old threads that show this information was obtained way before any Official News on Alien Covenant came to light.

 

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BigDave

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Posted Mar-11-2017 3:41 PM

@Ati

I am not so sure, it seems that Temple with Daniels is the same as the one from the previous post, and the older leaked Temples, it would appear there is not just a few Temples.

But many.

I would add that if the Engineers Ability to Procreate was taken from them because all their Females was wiped out, this could maybe be why they WORSHIPED the Mural in Prometheus.

As its a long time theory of mine.... the events that lead to Deacon/Xeno like Organisms, does allow the Engineers to once again be able to Birth Offspring... however its a perverted Birth one that brings forth a NEW Organism, that these beings saw as having more Perfect DNA than their own and thus a much Greater Source of Perfect DNA to Seed/Evolve Worlds instead of using Engineer DNA like the Sacrificial Scene.

@SpiteHouse

Indeed...

A few had taken it like that but i think its just lighting and angles, and looked like beings being deformed by the Black Goo but clearly now we know these beings died like this.. they are Frozen in Time...

something as burnt them and left them as if they was Pillars of Salt.

 

 

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BigDave

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Posted Mar-11-2017 3:52 PM

Also if these Engineers had Females taken from them, it would connect to the Biblical Tales where the Sons of God, came onto the Daughters of Man Genesis 6:4

Thus the Fallen Angels... which Ridley said was the LV-223 Engineers.  And when he announced Alien Paradise Lost just few weeks before he changed the Title to Alien Covenant, Ridley Scott did say that the Fallen Angels in Paradise Lost was the ones who had all the Fun, and you had this attractive being who went to all the Parties, got all the Girls and another not so attractive who stayed at home and was boring.

Now we can wonder why the Engineer seemed intrigued with Shaw, and  this is evident in the extended scenes.

Could the possession of a Female be a bargaining Tool for David to make some kind of Covenant?  These here in this shot are Human Baby Skulls of New Born's or Pre-Born Fetuses.

So where did those Skulls come from?  Burnt Baby Engineers?

If that was Davids Laboratory, we have to ask where did those Skulls come from, we see in the other leaked shots where this came from that there are Alien Baby-head looking experiments, and also if we are seeing various kinds of Face Hugger, we have to ask...  

Would David not need Hosts to see the fruits of his labor?  As no Hosts and what good is a Face Hugger....  we see that being on the Table, that in another post i worked out would be 6ft 6" and so no doubt Goran D  Kluet

Was he the survivor and who we saw in this Temple Scene in the OT Banner?

Did David find this Engineer related being, and made a Covenant with him, that required breaking his Covenant with Shaw?

Is this how Babies could have been produced? to Experiment with.

Then did David Ultimately break his Covenant with this being?

Who knows.. interesting to debate however.

 

I do like Apple Pie, hope to share some on my Birthday in May!

Ati

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Posted Mar-11-2017 3:53 PM

Some members highlighted previously that these creatures' faces look different, they don't have (traditional) eyes. That's why I think that they are not Engineers, but other humanoid species created by the Engineers or other 'gods'.

Ati

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Posted Mar-11-2017 3:59 PM

You wrote: 'show the greatness of as Ridley Scott said,  10 Apostles, superior beings and wise men.' - I think these 10 apostles were Engineers or the representatives of a superior species.

BigDave

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Posted Mar-11-2017 4:04 PM

I think its just how the Shadows and Light play, and its low resolution and so can make you see things not there.

Its now confirmed these are Props, and they are in a state of destruction, something horrific has happened to them and they are like Stone Statues... and Burnt and so this is why they look deformed.

These TWO are either fighting or embracing before the impending disaster..

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Ati

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Posted Mar-11-2017 4:13 PM

Shadow OK, ear OK, but there are too many arms there on that side, it looks very strange. :)

BigDave

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Posted Mar-11-2017 4:14 PM

ATI indeed they are some Noble kind among the rest of these beings, they are truly superior and we have to assume Perfect in the eyes of the creators if they are not the creators themselves.

In the Tale of Sodom and Gomorrah God intends to destroy this wicked place of Sin, but Abraham pleads why would ge destroy the Wicked and the Righteous, God says he will spare the place if he finds 50 Righteous, but Abraham pleads what if there are less than 50 surely even if there are fewer why should they be punished.

God reduces this number, but Abraham still thinks its to high eventually they agree on 10 Righteous so God sends down TWO Angels to find 10 Righteous and if he finds these or more then Sodom and Gomorrah will be saved.

But the Angels do not find 10, they only Find Lot and his Wife and Daughters who are Righteous the rest were sinners and wicked and did things totally against Gods Will.

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Ati

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Posted Mar-11-2017 4:16 PM

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Neomorph

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Posted Mar-11-2017 4:17 PM

I'm wildly guessing now, but I could see any of the following scenarios:

A) Shaw or David intentionally or unintentionally (stormy planet?) crashing the juggernaut onto the surface, thus releasing the urns by the hundreds of thousands onto the surface. This alters/mutates the flora and fauna. 

B) Something happened there similarly to the incident involving engineers at LV-223 long before the Prometheus ship arrived there. A mess-up/freak accident.

C) David unleashed a "device" of some sort (taking the burnt corpses into consideration)

D) A greater force struck the planet surface, whether it was a major nature catastrophy or mighty entities who did or did not create the engineers and now strike down on them (because they refuse to evolve like us and buy the latest smartphone and watch Netflix) 

Ingeniero

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Posted Mar-11-2017 4:26 PM

How far away from the temple is the crashed juggernaut?

If the juggernaut crashed in the wooded mountains nearby, then David 8 could have bounced the ship violently near the temple easily wasting nearby statues and releasing the entire cargo of black goo.

That would be a punishment to the Engineers that would both burn out the population (if that is what the black goo does) and wreck the local Engineer architecture.

BigDave

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Posted Mar-11-2017 4:38 PM

Maybe....

But i think it depends on the lay out of the Temples etc, and then how much would the Juggernaught Bounce?

If that Temple does produce some kind of Tesla Coil Reaction maybe it could have been used against the Juggernaught and caused it to Crash.

I totally dont buy the David drops Black Goo explanation, but many are inclined to believe 4Chan posts.  Even some on another site who was believers are now back tracking suggesting "oh this scene is now cut from the movie"

The Source i had said the Hierarchy possessed Technology of great Power that could affect a Worlds Climate, could cause Floods, Ice Ages and even Serve Storms and they could also Manipulate Worlds Cores to change the Environment to causing Seismic Activity and Volcanic.

They use these to Terra-form but also as a Reset Switch, and these are what caused many of the Ancient World Disasters as caused by God.

But to not literally look at these Punishments as affecting current Mankind, but they indeed had happened in the past.

And that indeed Mankind now is 4th or 5th Generation, we evolved not from Apes but that Engineer DNA is connected in the evolutionary process.

And that Paradise and events are loosely connected but not in the direct Biblical sense because Paradise in context of the Franchise is a separate World and not some place on Earth, like the Bible claims.

And so they are hinting that Biblical History affected previous Generations on other world and not Earth...

I always thought to take the information with a pinch of salt though, but so much seems to connect now.

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Ingeniero

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Posted Mar-11-2017 4:48 PM

Yes BigDave, it would make sense that the gold bell-like structure (below image) on top of the temple could be used as a weapon (or dual use technology) in an attempt to defend themselves (Engineers) from David 8.

 

airshaft_surprise

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Posted Mar-11-2017 4:52 PM

BigDave, that is why the Ark of the Covenant had to be carried with poles, touch the ark with your hands and you would fall down dead from the electrical discharge.

SpiteHouse

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Posted Mar-11-2017 4:59 PM

BigDave

Thanks, now I see a more traditional humanoid. But another shot and that mural still leads me to believe we might see a fourth (or fifth or six depending on how you feel about androids and canon) species.

Ati

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Posted Mar-11-2017 5:07 PM

I don't believe in goo bombing and goo leaking theories. Why are we so sure that the ship Shaw and David used to leave LV-223 was full of goo? Why would Shaw choose a ship which is full of goo? Why would she agree with David to fly with this danger? Can David hide so many ampoules in that ship?

Some of them OK, but not hundreds of them. I think David took some ampoules with him enough for experimenting, that's all. Furthermore, if David can hide things on the ship, anything can be carried by it, for example, Holloway's burnt body. Wild idea, but do we know anything about David's actions between the burning scene and Shaw's wake up scene? No, nothing. We don't know what happened to Holloway's body. David might have hidden more dead bodies on the ship as well.

Ingeniero

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Posted Mar-11-2017 6:48 PM

Ati, the other juggernaut had a sizable load of black goo aboard.

Seanjohn

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Posted Mar-11-2017 7:11 PM

 Shaw and David took a new ship that we haven't seen. For all we know, anything could have been aboard. A different weapon maybe?  One poster here had a great theory.  The goo is unleashed on the planet and as a way to stop the spread, some weapon was used that wiped everyone out. Im almost 99 percent sure that gold thing ontop is some form of weapon. 

Regular Parrot

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Posted Mar-11-2017 7:12 PM

When I saw the bodies I immediately thought of Sodom and Gomorrah, pillars of salt etc.  The scene is very much indicative of a holocaust, a mass extinction event for example.  Makes we think of a thermal event that occurred atmospherically.  

BigDave

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Posted Mar-11-2017 7:45 PM

@Ingeniero

Indeed we cant rule out that this device could be used to attack the Juggernaught.

We cant rule out if David decided to drop the Goo on-top of this Cathedral and it caused a Reaction that set off a completely different explosive event that Rendered the Engineers or who ever these beings are... Burnt to a Crisp and at the same time it would also blow upwards and cause the Juggernaught to Crash.

Kind of like throwing a Giant Balloon of Helium or Hydrogen onto a Exposed Electrical Wire or some other Electrical Generating Device.

I am open to any alternative theories to explain how the Juggernaught Crashed,  and why Black Goo caused a effect we have not seen before.

Maybe Shaw attempted to Stop David and this caused a loss of Control of the Ship, or something else that was on-board the Juggernaught that they was not AWARE of... which Fassbender made a comment in response to was Shaw and David alone... where he said "as far as we know"

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BigDave

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Posted Mar-11-2017 7:50 PM

@airshaft_surprise

Indeed reports are the Ark would indeed cause that, others are that those around it would become ill as if they had caught Radiation Poisoning.

The Source did say in regards to what i assume they meant the Goo but which one who knows...  i am pretty sure this was in relation to the Goo anyway.

They mentioned Atomic Energy and how it has its Benevolent Uses but then also it can be used to create a Atomic Weapon. They also expanded by referring to Fukushima too.

I think this was indeed aimed at the Black Goo and hinting at the Outbreak being a Accident, but also that maybe the intention of this stuff was for Benevolent means like the Sacrificial Scene.

I dont think they was refer this to the Terra-form Technology.

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Ingeniero

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Posted Mar-11-2017 9:55 PM

BigDave, so the Engineers of LV-223 might resemble the Igigi in the way they handle the tough grunt work for a higher order?

They are similar in appearance/task and seem to occupy a caste of their own on the planet Prometheus touched down on. 

airshaft_surprise

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Posted Mar-12-2017 3:28 PM

@BigDave, yes thanks, i did not know about the radiation exposure wow! like you said about gold its prevalent in every cultures ancient texts - El Dorado(Akakor), Egypt, Alchemy(turning base metal into gold).etc.......

BigDave

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Posted Mar-12-2017 5:21 PM

Indeed maybe the Igigi tale can fit, but then so loosely could other Ancient Mythos too.

The Temple/Cathedral does have that Gold Device on-top that looks like Technology, its a very specific shape like it performs some kind of Purpose.

Ridley has been taking the pages out of books like Chariots of the Gods and Ancient Astronaut theories and indeed some of those theories state that Pyramids was used for various reasons, some  hypothesize they Generate Electricity, some they create Electricity  usually both from Plasma and Gold is used in this.

some theories are they are Ancient Haarp Weather/Terra-forming Machines.

Now the Tops of the Pyramids (Pyramidion) were often lined with Gold Leaf, that was supposed to reflect the Suns Rays, there are many different Ancient Theories regarding Pyramids, some depict generating a current/waves that causes a Plasma Reaction in the Atmosphere and basically like a Tesla Coil

Others that they use Lighting/Plasma to then create powerful Wave/Vibrations and Magnetic Engineer the Pyramids then send down into the Earth Deep.

If Ridley Scott has been looking at some of these Theories then maybe he could have applied these to the Purpose of that Cathedral and its Gold Top.

I find it hard to think of any Coincidental Reason for them, is its just decorative for the Engineers?   A monument dedicated to something?

Nope i think it has to have a reason, they are arranged all around like the Large Hadron Collider and when looking at the Super Conductive Properties of Gold and how those Gold Parts are Arranged, i think it borrows off those Ancient Technology in the Pyramid Theories.

If this can produce massive amounts of Plasma Energy then there is the Potential for Burning of those Engineers.

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BigDave

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Posted Mar-12-2017 5:37 PM

Found this from Star Gate SG1...  maybe something like this could fit in with the theory i propose in this Topic?

Destruction of Dakara

 

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airshaft_surprise

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Posted Mar-12-2017 8:03 PM

Igigi? are they mentioned in sitchins 12 planet? I read it a coupla times but a while ago now, i will have to get it out and read it again.

I watched the Destruction of Dakara, i see what you mean now and how this scenario could fit in with your theory, excellent!

suwhited

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Posted Mar-13-2017 8:48 AM

@BigDave

Good work on this. I for one totally agree with your assessment that the beings on this planet were punished for some transgression. Lots of speculation but the bottom line is that David and the good Doctor didn't do this...

 

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Ridley Scott returns to the universe he created in ALIEN with ALIEN: COVENANT, the second chapter in a prequel trilogy that began with PROMETHEUS -- and connects directly to Scott’s 1979 seminal work of science fiction. Bound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition.

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