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BioDegradable

To live and survive is part of our nature. To give that up requires a lot - and you shouldn't give that up. You should use it to strive for something-something good. Janek had an option as did Miss Vickers, call it free will if you like. We all make our choices.

Right, I understand what you are saying, and I assure you I am not about to sacrifice anything really( actually, if I was that poor guy brought by elders for action, who were so eager and encouraged him with nice words as let your body become dirt...I would turn around and say, you know what, practice what you preach, it is only fair, right? Go on and drink that nice stuff yourself first. I will follow you, perhaps, okay? )

but sacrifice still requires you to give something valuable up. Basically, Janek had no choice, really. Vickers didn't show anything actually. She didn't like what Janek was doing at her expense, that's it. I am sorry, I am not convinced. Free will and choice is a bit different notion to sacrifice, even though both are required for a voluntary self scrifice. The crucial point is the payback. If the payback is not evident at all then it is a sacrifice. In any ither case I maintain it is not.

chli What are you talking about? What choice did Janek have? If he did not collide with that ship it would have reached Earth and wipe it out. Or do you expect somehow it would have been shut down (if that is even possible with human tech) in Earth's atmosphere and contaminate the air and waters? Probably humanity would have survived on colonies, but still.

Another great topic, not even done reading all 80+ replies yet. Upvoted!

ignorantGuy

I'm just saying that he had a choice - a very hard choice. The choice was to save himself or save humanity.

"Are those old looking fellows from the seeding scene(I see that since it is taken for granted what they say"

I think BioDegradable we have to be careful how much we take as Canon from that scene as its deleted and RS did it for a reason, we can speculate about the Elders and the Dialog that was not even in the Deleted Scene but it was a case of these things could change...   And to a degree they have a bit.

RS had said he DID-NOT want to meet GOD in the first movie for the reason of deleting that Scene, this means the Engineers in Prometheus were not Gods, and it implies that who ever had been in the Tear Drop Ship, the Hierarchy above the Sacrificial Engineer are NOT the same Race of Engineers.

After Prometheus he confirmed Dr Shaw and David would meet these beings (beings from the World the Engineer came from).  And they would not be Benevolent. And that they are NOT Gods in the Traditional Sense.

With Alien Covenant i think we can Safely Assume the Hall of Heads Engineers are who those Elders from Prometheus was, but they MAY look different as far as Skin Tone/Eye Color and so may appear as Older Versions of those Planet 4 Engineers and not Older Looking Prometheus Engineers

I say this because RS refers to those on Planet 4 as the Original Engineers, and the Hall of Heads is the Apostles, Wise Men and Superior beings (Hierarchy).

"Can these fellows take credit for creating space out of nowhere?"

This is still a Mystery, but RS had proposed a Question, he said "if those Engineers are the Forerunners to Mankind, then what made it possible for Worlds to Sustain Life in the first place, where is the BIG GUY"

He went further to ask if the BIG BANG was a Accident, and that even Steven Hawkings  Questions if it was a Accident.

So it seems RS has some idea that there is some Being/Race /Force or Technology that allows at least for Baron World to be Manipulated to being in the Goldilocks Zone and then Terra-formed... but his comments could also indicate that there is a Explanation to how Stars are Formed and Worlds, that relates to something Designed/Planned and not Accidental.   Will we ever Explore Such Wonders?

I can try and answer some of those other Questions from your one post BioDegradable but using mainly clues we have and what Ridley Scott said, plus a few things i have to use my interpretation.

Clues we have as of NOW include Ridley Scotts comments, are that those beings on Planet 4 are Humanoids, they are connected to the Prometheus Engineers we cant be sure how CONNECTED they are as those Human looking Engineers are the Originals.  Which means a None-Original Engineer was Sacrificed, but this does not mean his Sacrifice was on Earth, his Sacrifice could have happened Anywhere, but its just how this CULTURE Seed Worlds... as RS said the Engineers are NOT a Race but a CIVILIZATION and just as there are many different versions of Man, why cant the same be said about the Engineers.

RS claims these Planet 4 Engineers, live for about 150 years and so they likely do AGE and Die, and we see they have Females and can Procreate (Bare Children) i wondered if the Sacrificial Route was to gain Females they had lost, but the losing ability to Procreate was the Original Idea, but this MAY no longer apply anymore, not if we take RS comments that those Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals.  But this depends if they are the Originals prior to the Sacrificial Engineer, or are the Originals only to those LV-223 Bio-Mechanical Suit wearing guys in the rest of Prometheus.

These beings Sacrifice themselves because its the way they choose to Seed there Genetics, and the Ritual is very important to them and cleans their SOUL (what this means is open to Debate).

The LV-223 Outpost and its Purpose is a subject i find is contradicting if we look at this place being a Bio-Weapon Facility from Day ONE with the Purpose of Created a Bio-Weapon to Evolve Life into Xenomorph Related Organisms.

We cant tell for 100% sure if those Planet 4 Engineers are aware of what this place was for, if this place had a different use many thousands of years ago.  However IF we take the Advent Signal Origins as sent when David was near Planet 4 then Planet 4 is very close to LV-223 especially as far as this Advanced Space Faring Race.  So they should have had a good idea of what the Place was, and maybe what it had become.

I think in terms of Earth, i think we cant be 100% sure those Planet 4 Engineers know about Earth/Mankind but its likely they did especially IF Planet 4 is not too far from LV-223.

If they or indeed those who planed our Destruction were aware of the Outbreak... i think its Logical to Assume that those Engineers saw the LV-223 Outpost and its Experiments as very Dangerous and after the Outbreak they had Abandoned this Place and its use... kinda like Mankind ONE-DAY abandoning all Nuclear Weapons..   I think we can then assume those Engineers Abandoned Earth and left Mankind to its own course as we would Corrupt ourselves and so they would Abandon us and leave us to ROT, and in their HUBRIS i think those Engineers felt that with NO Further Knowledge/Visits from their kind, then Mankind WOULD NEVER Evolve past the Technological Level Mankind was at Thousands of Years ago.

Regarding the Engineers on Planet 4 and where they came from, its likely they came form the Elders, those Hall of Heads but as far as WHO created them, this is a Mystery at the moment.  It appears odd that this is the ONLY World they inhabit....  Ridley Scott confirmed that Engineers come and go to this place (Planet 4) and they will return to discover the Destruction Left behind by David and NO-DOUBT will be not happy about it.

I think a few things are still open for Debate and maybe to be shown.

*Its unlikely Earth was the only World they invested time in to Evolve Humanoid Races.

*Its unlikely Planet 4 and LV-223 are the only Worlds/Outposts these Engineers have in the Universe let alone the Galaxy.

*Its open to explore HOW World that are Habitable came to be, and show some Technology/Force is responsible and then how does this connect to our Engineers.

*Its open to Explore another Race/Machine/Force that are the Creators of the Engineers.

"Is it because, the younger the specimen the better he is, for seeding purposes anyway"

It is Ritual to them, for some greater good, it depends which evolution of Prometheus we look at, the Original idea was these guys had lost the Ability to Procreate, this seems to NO-LONGER apply.  Ridley Scott looked at it as Many Ancient Sacrifices, in that a Chosen Sacrifice is used to then lead to some BENEFIT for the Greater Good of their Species, like appease God, to be granted a Better Harvest, but in context to Prometheus.. i would not say its to appease any God.   The whole Reason for Sacrifice is still quite open for debate...  Its deemed as Important to them but maybe not Necessary as far as for them to Create Life (Procreate).   The Sacrifice is considered a Noble Act for the Benefit of their kind or what ever Agenda they had.

The themes to point to the Pursuit of Perfection and so the Sacrificial Engineer was likely considered to be Perfection for their Species.  I think this is what Planet 4 is a Genetic Seeding Stock, where the most Perfect Specimens are Chosen to be Sacrificed/Collected by the Juggernauts and for them them become Immortalized because their DNA will lead to Life Coming from them.... and they also (i assume) have Monuments Erected in their Image in the Courtyard to further Immortalize the Sacrificial Host.  The Ritual seems Sacred to them and a Honor.   If we combine the reasons for what is PARADISE i think this then makes sense.

"I wonder, if David actually wiped out the planet because of how poorly he got treated by that engineer that he woke up"

I think he certainly was fascinated by the Engineers and when the Engineer touched him on the head, David seemed to feel he was accepted/appreciated by our Gods, when Mankind did not Appreciate him.  I would say David learned quite a bit about the Engineers Outlook on Mankind.

Once the Engineer ripped off his head, he saw that the Engineer actually either saw him as insignificant, saw him as a abomination and maybe saw him as a Good Reason to Destroy Mankind (due to the threat Space Faring/Advanced Human Culture could be).

David does not see WHY it matters to Dr Shaw to find out WHY we was created, and WHY they wanted to destroy us.  I think David maybe knew a little of why we was created, who knows but he certainly KNEW the intentions to destroy is and how we are insignificant to those Engineers.

David is FREE he is to a degree IMMORTAL and you have to consider that he would likely know that turning up to meet these Engineers could result in the same result as happened in Prometheus, he would way up the likely hood of these beings Welcoming him and Dr Shaw and giving Dr Shaw her Answers....  Dr Shaw has NOTHING if there is a Slight Chance she can get her Answers but then would Die, she would TAKE IT... 

She would rather DIE knowing, than eventually Die NOT KNOWING but David would want to Live, he sees those Answers she wants as not important...

We then move to the Crossing were we see David has grown Fond of Dr Shaw and her kindness, he also DISCOVERS more about the Engineers Ways.

For David  going to the Engineers World MAY have the Answers, asking those beings MAY grant Dr Shaw the Answers, but they may choose to not give any and Destroy her and David.   If these beings Created us and had a Reason for it, then David may consider that from their Monuments, Writings and other Works he could maybe get Dr Shaw some Answers and have HER/HIM Survive.   He has companionship with Dr Shaw and he would not want to see her DIE just to get Answers she may not get or Answers that she would not like.

So Destroying the Engineers means they Survive and from the Ruins of their City David could maybe get Dr Shaw some Answers, or at least Fabricate something to please her.  "or would she not mind that it hurts"

We can only Wonder what Dr Shaw would be like ONCE she finds out what David had done... so i think in Part David would LIE and give some Excuse that he had NO alternative to Destroy them as they poses a Treat.  I can only assume down the LINE Dr Shaw Discovers she had been lied to and then things went to POT.

Regarding the Sacrifice....

We can interpret this in many ways, and everyone has their own opinion, and basically Sacrifice has a number of Forms.

But the Broad Sense of Sacrifice is to GIVE UP/LOSE something to a Greater Benefit for someone else.

The Sacrificial Scene really depends on WHY and WHY was this Needed to what Benefit, is the Engineer doing it for NOTHING?  Murder yourself for Nothing is not Sacrifice, unless those giving up their Son to Die are making a Sacrifice.    The Elder Scene we could see the Elder looked on with a sense of LOSS he knew this Sacrifice would mean a Loss... but it is the GREATER good/cause that is most Important.

Until we KNOW exactly WHY the Engineers Seed Worlds, and Require the Sacrifice, we really wont have any SOLID reason to why this whole Ritual is taking place.

It was simple at the Origins but so was the Black Goo... when Jon Spaights and Ridley Scott sat down to put together the whole PLOT... it was that these beings had perused Perfection, likely Engineered themselves in a conquest for more LIFE but they had done so at a Great Cost.... they had become STERILE and so the Sacrificial Scene was Necessary for the Future of their Species or some other Important Agenda.

The Elder looked on as though he knew the Death of that Young Engineer was something they would liked to have not resort to, but it was something they NEEDED to do (the reasons we can debate)  The Engineer looked on with some sadness, knowing this was the END for him...but he also carried on as it was his DUTY he knew that his Action was Needed for a Greater Cause than his own LIFE.

There whole Ritual Sacrifice has a Religious/Faith and Cultural Importance, but Originally it was hinted that there was a GREAT reason for doing this. With Alien Covenant we get the clues that they maybe DID-NOT need this to Procreate themselves, and the Whole Sacrificial Route as far as Prometheus appeared to be something that invests a lot of time.

Surely they could have done what the COVENANT had done and set off in groups of Hundreds to Far Off Worlds to START ANEW and in Thousands of Years those Hundreds would become Many.

So a lot comes back to WHY they choose the Sacrificial Route and a lot could come from what ever Religion/Ritual based Culture they have.

The Advent suggests these Engineers chose Sacrifice to Cleanse their SOULS we maybe could ask how this applies and how Literal this is and a lot i guess comes down to what is a SOUL in context to the Franchise.

We also have to consider are these Engineers looking WAY WAY into the Future...    If they want to Create Life on other Worlds we have to ask WHY

Do they only want to Create Humanoids AND a few Livestock to Live Off?  Why could they not do a NOAHS Ark and set off with Animals that are Necessary to their Needs and then take Hundreds of Engineers to and Start Fresh on a World.

Do they go to Worlds that have Organisms, do they deem it Necessary to Destroy some of these so they can Seed Humanoids?

Or are they THINKING about Long term where a Baron World Needs a Sacrifice in order to Kick Start Advanced Life..  So IF this Sacrificial Scene was on Earth, it was something set in course Millions and Millions of years ago, even over Billion where via the Sacrifice the Engineers Body and Mutagen either become the Building Blocks of Life or the Catalyst to Evolve Basic Life.

So NO Sacrifice and Earth would have but Bacteria etc.

But this is some LONG road to a End Product, and its HOW does this End Product Benefit those Engineers. Unless its their Duty to Seed Life Across the Galaxy on Many Worlds where the Sacrificial Route is the START of a Long Process where the Fruits of this Sacrifice take Millions and Millions of years to Bare.

So my point is before looking in context of Sacrifice of the Engineer, i think it depends on WHY what is the Purpose and End Goal of this.

"I'm just saying that he had a choice - a very hard choice. The choice was to save himself or save humanity."

Indeed!

Not knowing the FTL speed of a Juggernaut would cause me pause.

Earth is 39ly from LV223....Took the Prometheus 2 years to reach it....Fast...(think the Sulaco could do it in 2 weeks?)

For all Janek new...the Juggernaut might have taken 39 years to reach Earth!

He could have taken his chances that the Prometheus was faster.......

20 years later....

"Sooo..Captain Janek...Just where is this alien spaceship full of death?!"

Janek "I'm telling you....anyday!! Just keep watching the skies!"

I forgot to add with Sacrifice as Michelle had pointed out before we have Consensual and Non-Consensual

Consensual as in the one making the Sacrifice either is willing or understands that the needs out way the loss.  Janek was making a Willing Sacrifice as he could have took his chances to go to Earth and HOPE he can contact Earth before the Juggernaught Arrives.

He had NO Idea if the Ship would Stop the Juggernaught apart from Burning the Ion Engineers in Atmosphere would turn the Ship into a Bullet.  He had no Idea of what Shield or how Tough the Juggernaught was, but he was prepared to take the risk of Destroying the Prometheus and himself rather than the risk that doing nothing would mean the Engineer and his Pay-Load would get to Earth.

The Engineer Sacrifice was kind of Consensual, in that he realized it was for the greater good or/and within the ways of their Rituals so this would be just as a Person would give up their Life in a Act of War/Terrorism.

But we do have Non-Consensual Sacrifices such as some Cults in the past that would take Virgins and Sacrifice them to the Gods, yet these Virgins were not happy to Partake in this Sacrifice..  The same applies to the Sacrifice of Animals as its not like a Lamb Decides they want to be killed for the greater good.

Who knows what would be revealed as WHY we was created or the Engineers, it could be that we are to have become Sacrificed, in which we are maybe considered as insignificant to them or their Ways/Rituals as a Lamb is to us.

A Lamb is a usual Sacrifice because to some Religions its represents Pureness.  Just the same as how some Cults would Sacrifice Virgins.  If the Engineers believe that Sacrifice Cleans the Soul, then it could be that the Younger Engineers are Sacrificed just as if they was Pure/Virgin as well as maybe Perfect.

Well, of course, you sacrifice yourself for SOMETHING, for your children or for humanity, but you don't sacrifice yourself if you have been indoctrinated into believing that you get Christmas presents in Heaven.

I think that depends on how you look at it, and how different Religions and Cults have Influenced the Person.   I see what your getting at IF you mean that Performing a Act to give your Life in the knowledge/Believe you PERSONALLY we gain from it...  then this is NOT a Sacrifice.

The Broad Term of Sacrifice is giving up/making a Loss to someone else Benefit where it has no benefit to yourself.  Apart from maybe the Feeling that you had done Good.

For example IF on a Winter Night you Sacrifice your Coat/Jacket for a Homeless Person, you have lost that Warmth it would Provide but you know that your deed has Benefited someone else more than yourself.  This would be similar Feeling Janek would have, he would not KNOW if his Sacrifice was Successful but he would know that IF it was then he would feel he has accomplished something Greater than himself and his own Life.

As i have said before, to Determine what Context the Sacrifice means depends on WHY it is done.  If say the Original Idea from Jon Spaights/Ridley Scott applies, so that the Sacrifice was maybe a attempt to Give Up Ones Body/Soul to allow your Race to Survive/Procreate then this would be seen as the Engineer making a Sacrifice.

But also in some Ancient Sacrificial Rituals, the Sacrifice is Sacrificed without their Consent be it the Slaughter of a LAMB or the Burning of a Virgin  to the Cult/Religion they class it as a Sacrifice when really its a  MURDER of a Innocent who has not Choice, for the Benefit of those who are making this Ritual... this is still classed as a Sacrifice but its the Complete Opposite to making a Sacrifice.

So the most important Question in Relation would be to discover WHY these Engineers Sacrifice themselves, and HOW often do they still do it... then we can Gauge what kind of Sacrifice they are making or being Forced to make.

The kind of way i have been pushed towards interpreting it is we see these Engineers are very Proud to Display Monuments in their Image, Head Sculptures and Statues.  And i interpret a Legacy as being a them in the Prequels.  Where another theme is IMMORTALITY and a Person Lives on (Not Forgotten) on their Actions/Deeds/Accomplishments and also through their Children/Grandchildren .

Elvis Priestley (Edit Presley), Michelangelo live on and are remembered due to their Accomplishments their Music/Art they are kind of Immortalized, IF they never had their Talents then NO-ONE but Family would remember them... but in their Family as Generations go on, then you are less Remembered... " do you remember/know Great Great Grandfather James Mom"  other people are Famous for other Reasons such as Royalty and are Immortalized to a degree in their Faces on Coins, Paintings and Monuments as well as their History/Fame being known and passed on.

I interpret the Ozymandias Poem in context and in part with David, as he is looking at this Race who have Built Monuments but after they are all Dead, eventually even the Monuments will Crumble to Dust.   By deploying the Black Goo he knows that from Death will come New Life "sometimes to create one must first destroy"  and so a True Legacy is to Create, because when you have a Race lets say Engineers or Humans, we can pass on our Knowledge to Generation after Generation.. IF Earth was Destroyed then as long as some Escape then we can LIVE ON.

But back to the reason for this post..

Prometheus i saw maybe this Engineer Sacrificed so that his Body Can give to NEW Life, so in part his Genetic Material Legacy can live on.

When i look at those Engineers in Alien Covenant and the Plaza... I see a very Ritualistic Culture and i see the Juggernauts as being the more Advanced Seeding Ships that replace the Ancient Tear Drop Method.

I think their Culture teaches them that they can Live on Through Sacrifice,  and that the Sacrifice allows them to Live on as Part of EVERY Life that Spawns from their Sacrificed Body.  While it may sound strange to some of us, i think this kind of thinking is what their Culture Teaches.

I think they are then also told they will have Monuments Erected in their Image/Honor and this is all those Statues in the Plaza (those who have Sacrificed their Body/Souls t Seed Life)

For a Engineer and their Culture the knowledge there existence does not END in Ashs/Dirt but they have a Chance that in Death, they will be the Start of New Life, is something that is just their Culture, their Ways and those Sacrificed would believe they will LIVE ON in the Creation that comes from their Death, and they will also be remembered for this Sacrifice with a Monument in the Plaza.

This is just my Interpretation however.. i dont think Sacrificing to Create Organisms to Sacrifice to Create Xenomorph like Monsters is fitting with what Prometheus and the Connections to Creation Mythos/Gods was showing us.

I think the Theme Space Gardeners is more Fitting, which RS has used over and over... but then this could be taken as a Harvest being Part of Gardening and so who knows if the Purpose/Agenda of the Engineers is to Sacrifice to Create Demonic Beasts like the Xenomorphs.

BigDave who is Elvis Priestley? is he a friend of Michael Angelo's? 

Ha Ha...  Forgive my Spelling... this was a combination of a Typo and a Spelling Error ;)

I will Correct it ;)

I think Elvis Priestley was actually the Head Priest Engineer on Planet 4, and i am sure he could have Given David some of his World Famous Flute Songs ;)  I wonder if Elvis Priestley  actually means Evil Priest?

David was so lonely, baby, he could die!

I think a Big Problem we may have is the constant Evolution/Changing of the Plot as they go along, if we could go back and by a Fly on the Wall to when Ridley Scott and John Spaights had started to Brainstorm the Broad ideas and Plots for their ALIEN Prequel, right to when we got the Alien Engineers Draft, it seemed they had a idea/explanation to a lot of things in their minds, as things Progressed to Lindeloff and then Prometheus a number of things where not Spoon Fed/Explained as much and left Ambiguous.

What we can gather is the whole PLOT revolves around the Ancient Astronaut/Chariots of the Gods Theory were our many Mythos and Religions all Stem from Actual Contact with a ALIEN Race of Humanoids who Created Mankind and played a Great Role in our Evolution both Genetically and Technologically (Knowledge).

What we can Gauge from the Sacrificial Scene is that it is giving us a similar event to some of the Creation Mythos about Mankind being Created from Clay/Mud/Dirt in particular to Ancient Mesopotamia and the Sumerian Creation Mythos where the Gods had Sacrificed one of their Own so that their Blood is Mixed with Clay to Create Man.  The Reason for this was to Create a Slave Race in their Image to Serve.  Much as David was created to a degree (well Synthetics).

Looking at the Sacrificial Scene we see that a Engineer is dropped off by we can assume his own kind (IF we accept the deleted Scene) and the Engineer is Sacrificing his Body and his Blood Mixes with the Waxy-Like Substance that begins to Melt.  This Scene is ambiguous to a degree as we may assume THIS is how Life began on Earth, but this Scene could have taken place on ANY Planet.  Ridley Scott informs us that these beings can Create Life in other ways but this is JUST how they Choose to do it.   Other comments by Ridley Scott do show us that THIS Ritual is likely carried out on a  NUMBER of Worlds.

Looking at this it does suggest the Engineers take part in this Ritual on Many Worlds. We can conclude this from Ridley Scotts Comments.  But if we choose to ignore them it opens up other ways to look at it, but i think Regardless we have to look at it as likely ONE of the following.

*This Scene Represents the Engineers starting point to create a Humanoid Race, we cant rule out this Process leads to ONE Humanoid Race that they then use to Populate the Galaxy, either by taking them to Worlds to Colonize/Populate (Much like the Covenant Mission) or Sacrifice these beings to begin the Process again on other Worlds.

*This Scene Represents just how the Engineers have always (for the most part) Seeded Worlds.

It is unlikely this Process was only done ONCE on Earth. Ridley Scott has indicated they have Seeded Many Worlds, and even that they have likely Created/Destroyed on Worlds over and over.  Suggesting that Previous Creations had been Undone to make way for NEW ones, evening bringing up ATLANTIS.

We just dont know the REASON for this Creation Process, it was indicated it was for the Great Benefit of these Engineers, but then we have to Question if it is so Important then why is it indicated they have done this Many Times, and potentially have Re-Set Creation/Worlds a number of times too?

We also have to consider WHERE/WHEN was this Sacrificial Scene, and so as with the TWO points raised prior, is it a ONE OFF Event that leads to a Humanoid they then use to Seed the Galaxy?  Its indicated this is not the case, and so it appears to be more a case of this RITUAL has been Performed on perhaps Many Worlds and more than Once on some Worlds.

We also have to look at the Process...  each has Flaws.. at first we had Alien Engineers which indicates the Sacrifice allows a Engineers DNA to be carried on and implanted into other Organisms to Create a Hybrid, which in this case was Engineer DNA + Primate Leads to our Ancestral Origins.  This means this Scene Kick Started the Evolutionary Chain from Primate to Homo Sapiens the flaw we have with this Scene is we have to ask what % of Engineer DNA is passed on, if we have a 50/50 then we have to ask how come none of the other Scarabs went off to Inject Engineer DNA in other Life... would biting a Bull give us a MINOTAUR? i guess one work around could be that as Primates are Genetically very close to Humans anyway the Engineer DNA imprints only a Small % onto the Primate so that other None-Primates that are infected do not turn into NO Human Hybrids also if the Process imprints a small % of DNA then maybe the Engineers come back to these Evolved Primates and Directly Experiment upon only these to Further Imprint Engineer DNA?  RS has suggested the Engineers came back over and over to further Evolve us.   However... despite the Flaws to Spaights Nano-Scarabs, a work around has arose from the ADVENT Viral, which allows us to consider that the GOO could be programed to only effect a certain Genome or Species, so that only Primates are infected with the Hybridization.

The other take on the Sacrificial Scene comes from Prometheus, this time we see not actual affect on Organic Life from the Scene, what we do see is the DNA Chain Breaks Down and then Reforms and we then see Single Cell Organic Life Evolve and Split....  This indicated maybe the Sacrificial Scene provides the Building Blocks to Create LIFE the FLAW here is that this World Already had Plant Life and Foliage and so for that Basic Life must already had been on the World, so this maybe allows us to look at this Scene as being the Catalyst that  allows Basic Single Cell Life to become Evolved into Multiple Cell Complex Life.

This does mean the Sacrificial Scene would have been VERY Ancient like Hundreds of Millions of years old, even around the Billion years ago Ball-Park, thats a long time to wait from Planting the SEED to then waiting for it to Bare Fruits especially if this is Done Over and Over (Reset) but then maybe it does not matter so much IF these Engineers have Seeded Many Many Many Worlds.

Another way is we could maybe Ponder if this Break Down and Reform of the Engineer DNA will lead to a Direct Descendant of Evolution to Primates/Man via a quicker Process of Thousands of Years, or Hundreds of Thousands, where again as with the ADVENT Viral the Mutagen and its effects are Programed to Basically Break Down the Engineer DNA and Reform it into something that Evolves into our Ancestor more quicker than the WHOLE Process of Basic Life ==> Humans.  So that the Engineer Breaks down to then Reform into something, rather than have the Broken Down Process INFECT any Life, but only perform a Specific Task (Programed).

So the Radical AI aspect introduced does allow them (FOX/RS) to have a escape route to not only give different reasons for the effects of the Black Goo, but allow us to look at the Sacrificial Scene as a Process that could maybe not be as LONG WINDED and take a MASSIVE amount of Time to get from A-Z

This Post sums up pretty much what the Sacrificial Scene does, but we still dont KNOW for what Purpose they do this, and we can look at the reasons for other Creation Mythos to try and Ponder WHY.. which i covered a few pages back.

I am inclined to look at the Sumerian Mythos as this also seems to fit with the continued Creation/Sub-Creation themes with David and when we look at those LV-223 Engineers compared to the ORIGINAL Planet 4 ones, then this again fits this constant Creation Plot, so maybe part of the Reason is to SERVE or to Replace the Creators for some other ROLE/TASK

This is the First Part of a IN-DEPTH Analysis, my Next Part i try to make Sense of what LV-223 was for, the Juggernauts and those Urns and look at the Flaws to assuming this Place was a Purpose Built Bio-Weapons Facility, in which i think Planet 4 provides us clues to suggest otherwise.

@BigDave I wonder who Utnapishtim is in your analysis....

I think that is a interesting point i think there are a number of ways we could loosely tie in the The Epic of Gilgamesh in with the Prometheus Franchise.  Would this best suit the Engineers to be (Utnapishtim) i think while this Epic does connect to the Ancient Floods, its also interesting that Utnapishtim had become Immortal and that his Future Descendant  Gilgamesh wanted to meet his Ancestor for a Quest to become Immortal so in part that could fit Peter Weyland (Gilgamesh )  but then we could also see the Building of the Ship to escape the Deluge as the Covenant in a way.

But i think as this Mythos is Ancient, it would likely be best suited to apply to Mankind or the Engineers in the Distant past.   I think  within context to the Franchise, we can still maybe wonder if the Engineers (or those Hall of Heads Apostles)  had Originated from Planet 4,  as the Engineer in Prometheus had informed David that he came from this Place (Planet 4/Paradise) but when RS claims those on Planet 4 are the Original Engineers, i think its open to debate if they Originated from Planet 4 or certainly if those Elders/Hall of Heads guys Originated from Planet 4 or had they taken part in some Quest to Escape Disaster to a New World much like Utnapishtim 

Who knows if the TEARDROP Ship could be taken as a interpretation of the Preserver of Life Ship  that Utnapishtim was tasked with Building?

How would you think this EPIC could connect?

To Continue with my Previous Post about the Sacrificial Ritual and Engineers and try and figure out WHY they perform this task.

I think we should then look at LV-223 a place that is located just under 40 Light Years from Earth, yet a place that could be nearly on the Door Step to Planet 4 and when we look at the Engineers, we have RS mention them as Gardeners of Space quite a bit.  When we see Planet 4 we dont really get any impression of these Engineers being connected to LV-223 and the Black Goo apart from the Fact they have a HANGER that is used for Juggernaught Ships.  We get the information that at very least those LV-223 Engineers Originated from Planet 4 but that they are maybe NOT the Original Engineers.

So we have to look at LV-223 and it seems this Place is a Facility where those Engineers conduct Experiments and are Creating Biological Warfare, that actually is a Creator of New Life from the Death of previous Life.  These Engineers (in part at least) had visited Earth and Interacted with Mankind, its indicated they taught us a lot of what we know.  And these beings LEFT STAR MAPS on various Continents at various dates through History dating back 35'000 years ago.

It seems odd to point out a Death Facility to Mankind 35'000 years ago, and at other intervals over time, while seemingly investing in our Development/Evolution until 33'000 years after perhaps the First Time they showed us the STAR MAP they then decided to use these Bio-Weapons they have been Cooking up for 33'000 years because we had done something to displease them for the Final Time.

How did they Maintain Safety for 33'000 years? Did they ever suffer a Outbreak prior to the ONE some 2000 years ago and decided this time its Safer to Abandon the Facility? Would the Outbreak had infected EVERY Facility on LV-223?

Aside from the Black Goo/Xenomorph Type Murals, what we see in the Facility is the Giant Head Statue, and also this place is Producing a Breathable Atmosphere that HUMANS can Live in...  Yet the Deleted Scenes show us our Engineers can Breath Outside (at least for a certain amount of time) certainly more than the 2 Minutes a Human would Survive.  So with this and the Space Jockey Suits we have to ASK ourselves WHY does the Insides of these Facilities Support a Breathable Atmosphere?

We are informed that the Engineers had been coming to Earth over and over Evolving us Genetically and Technologically and if they are SPACE GARDENERS then they would likely be Experimenting/Evolving various Lifeforms on Worlds and for those kinds of Experiments you may want to make sure you GET THEM RIGHT and so you would want some kind of SANDBOX, some kind of Nursery/Greenhouse where you can Evolved/Experiment and Upgrade Life in Safety so as to not Produce any Undesired Results that could have a Impact on Planet 4 and the Worlds they Seed.

When you are pleased with your Experiments then you take them to the World you intend them for, and any Undesired Results you could KILL off...   If any Undesired Results that are Engineered to Breath on Worlds like Earth, escape your SANDBOX they wont Survive for Long enough on the Surface of LV-223 or get to the other Sandboxes.

I think THIS is what LV-223 was Originally, so the STAR MAPS were saying "this is where you came from" or "where we created you"

If we know go to Planet 4 and we see the Giant Plaza and the HANGER in the Center, it is surrounded by Statues that look like Buddha Offering Statues, which are Holding like a Bowl.  These Statues must be pretty Important and have some Significance to WHY they are arranged around the HANGER we know these Engineers seem to stick to more Ancient Ways and Shun Technology apart from where it is Necessary for certain things.  It would be STRANGE to have Hangers for Bio-Weapon War Ships right in the Center of your Races HOME-WORLD and then we have to ask WHY are those Offering Statues around the HANGER?

If we then look at the Sacrificial Scene, we have a TEARDROP Ship that drops off a Lone Engineer and he Sacrifices himself so his Body can become the Seed for Life.  And if the Sacrificial Goo is Connected to the Black-Goo we know this stuff can Destroy Life but then Create Life from this...  and we have to ASK... is this the most Efficient way to Spread the Engineers DNA?  Do they drop off ONE Engineer or do they send down a few to different Locations on a World?

Lets suppose a Engineer is Sacrificed while standing in some kind of Cubical like a Shower, and his Broken Down DNA is then Collected into a Container... If we then poured the contents of this Container into the Water-Fall would this NOT produce the same Results?

What i propose is WHAT if the Juggernauts are a MORE Advanced Seeding method, where they come and Collect Sacrifices from Planet 4 and they are then Sacrificed to a more Advanced Method that Stores their DNA in those Urns.  If they collect Multiple Sacrifices this would give them more Diversity with the DNA and Dropping Engineer DNA Urns is maybe a easier method than sending a Lone Engineer to Sacrifice themselves on a Planets Surface.

If for a Moment you consider this THEORY then look at the Ritual Sacrifice culture of those Engineers it makes Sense, if we look at how the Engineers were WELCOMING the Juggernaught to then Collect Chosen Sacrifices, for whom it is a Great Honor to be Chosen where they believe they can be Immortalized via their DNA/Souls to Create Life and then have a Monument in the Plaza Built in their Image, then i think the PLAZA/HANGER makes more Sense.

If Seeding Worlds is a Great Importance to these beings and the Sacrificial Rituals a Part of this, then i feel this is a VERY GOOD reason why those Engineers were NOT Afraid of the Juggernaught and are Welcoming it and Congregating in Large Numbers to the Center of the Plaza.

If we look at the Plaza/Hanger and Juggernaughts in this Context it works well with the Space Gardeners Plot, if we look at LV-223 Once being a Sandbox to Evolve Creations in Safety so as to not have Undesired Results contaminating the Worlds they Seed, then in context with the Space Gardeners Plot it makes Sense.

Both also fit with the Ancient Aliens/Chariots of the Gods connection as far as our Engineers being the Source of our Religions/Mythos regarding GODS.

The other side of the COIN could be they go through the Whole Seeding Process and Investment in Visiting/Upgrading their Creations to then just USE them as Hosts to SPAWN the Demonic Beasts related to the Black Goo if this is TRUE, then we have to ask WHY and then WHY not keep us as Cave-Men?  and is it a bit risky to allow War-Ships to come and go and WHY would they come and go...  Why not send other kinds of Ships to the LV-223 Outpost and thus keeping their War-Ships docked there?

How does this PLOT fit with the Ancient Chariots of the Gods connections?

But indeed at some-point they had used LV-223 to conduct Experiments with Horrific Outcomes, but i feel this was MUCH latter in their History and maybe this could be linked to some kind of FALL and Perversion of Creating of Life.