prometheus opening scene
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MemberNeomorphJuly 27, 2018gna have to bare with me as it may seem like im going all over the place but in my head it makes sense.
when do we think this scene took/wouldv taken place on earth?
when I first saw the film I took the assumption that the scene took place on earth and the engineers were seeding life on earth and by that I mean life started on earth because of this sacrificial engineer. now a Cpl of things come to mind if this is the case. surely only humans would have come from this OR, this may support the theory that the black goo comes in many different forms as the engineers have found a way to program it for certain tasks. would support the different effects we see between the sacrificial engineer, Fifield and the engineers on planet 4. now scientists believe ALL life started in the sea. well theres a waterfall so checks out ok there but the mutagen would have to be tweeked. it may need a base gene for reference but has the ability to reorganise it into whatever organism suits the environment otherwise u just get humans from this scene.
is it more likely that this scene, assuming its on earth, took place after the extinction of the dinosaurs? once the earth recovers, the engineers find the planet and seed it? in this case do we just appear or does the fact the mutagen is in the water mean that indeed we did come from primates who had been drinking the contaminated water? bare in mind the mutagen is heavily diluted so this would take millennia to happen
thoughts
Michelle Johnston said, "
What else might have carried the plot.
a) That someone is travelling the galaxy terraforming and catalysing the raw material of species.
b) That we receive an explanation as to why the above connects with LV 223 and LV 426.
c) That with a faith based biological humanoid searching for answers and a synthetic searching for meaning and a soul who are connected by consequences we join them on their journey. "
I like those points and I think that would've made a great sequel to Prometheus. Especially Point 'C'.
I like you Points #1&2 because it really spells out why we got Alien: Covenant and not a proper sequel to Prometheus.
Alien: Covenant just seemed to twisted to meet the typical idea of what an ALIEN movie should be. I do enjoy some fear in my ALIEN movies and without that, I feel like it is not an ALIEN movie. The whole movie doesn't have to induce horror. It just needs to have one scene to make a person scared. Everything else can just serve as a build-up. Of course, I'm sure not everyone will be scared with my way, so it's best to put a few scary spots in the movie to be sure.
I liked the kind of fear Prometheus led me to feel. The big one that I remember instantly is when the blue holograms started running through the corridor. At that moment I was like, "Get out! JUST GET OUT!" My memories of me watching that are just great. Reminiscent of the original ALIEN movie.
Even in a proper Prometheus sequel, David still could be a little crazy. I mean, I would if I had to watch people die as I just continued to live on, alone, with everything I wanted to learn, learned. I think that is why David is so interested in the Black Goo. It's something new and never before seen from David's human interactions. Something so new, mysterious, and obviously powerful. One would surely not waste their time learning about it and eventually deciding whether to apply it or not.
I really think Point 'C' would provide an interesting base of a story. Both are looking for an answer that is considered to be a foundation for a meaningful life. What makes it even more interesting is that one is a human and another is an android. So, what happens when love falls into the mix? It probably would eventually since one is a woman and the other possibly associates with male tendencies (or at least knows about them).
Still, one thing that I REALLY like about Alien: Covenant is that it is completely different, yet caries the same story. It's something fresh and new. It could almost stand alone as a movie in itself, but I have seen Prometheus first, so maybe not. Still, I do think it could be a stand alone movie because it is so different and new. Alien: Covenant makes me excited about the possible Alien: Awakening because I expect it will also be something new and completely different and we just can't really predict what is going to be in it.
Still, I would hope Prometheus 2 wouldn't just be Shaw and David talking to Engineers and learning their ways. I would hope it wouldn't be really mysterious either like how Prometheus was since I don't think it would make sense to just remake Prometheus, but put it at another time than when the first took place.
I also don't think asking the writers to figure that out would be a problem though.
@Michelle Johnston And the shift generated complain that Ac hijack the series into Blade Runner territories. There was no compromise however. They though that MF is very bankable so give him 2 roles, Rapace is not so kill her off, simple arithmetic for Fox. But they were not quite right.
@I Moon Girl I can't understand what you see original in Covenant. The music is nostalgic, lines from it are nostalgic, they run around in dark corridors. They pumped up the gruesomeness and the sadism.
And you know what? we also know the story will unfold, David being overthrown by the Xenomorph (biblical David's fall starts with his messing around with the Queen of Sheba) and quite probably be the Space Jockey (the final biomechanic form of the alien). So what is new here? Oooops, we had robo porn mags, that was indeed new.
First of all I really appreciate the way you considered my post thought about it and responded and did not go off on tangents. I will do the same.
Prometheus 2
Prometheus was made and presented on the basis that "you would not get to see God in the first movie" It really is very important when thinking of where it should have gone to put your mind in 2012 mode not 2018.
The first film set up a series of questions which had to be answered in the second film. What were those questions well I have already posed them. So your right Prometheus 2 had to be different to Prometheus 1. You just cannot go to another disaster and find a bigger disaster with bigger questions. You cannot repeat yourself and heres the thing why not continue the story why not pose questions in film 1 and answer them in film 2. What were the questions :-
1) Elizabeths search for our creators and where do we go when we die is now why did you create us and want to kill us and where do we go when we die.
2) Davids curiosity fuelled by Peter Weyland and the question of what is a soul given he has been told he doesn't have one. Becomes what do now I am free of Peter Weyland and what is a soul.
Elizabeths faith enables her to travel in the notion there is a soul whereas David doesn't know what a soul is. Equally he killed Elizabeths lover and lead her to become pregnant with a parasitical replacement embryo and then she heals him and shows him more compassion than he has ever seen before. If there isn't story there I would be very surprised.
Then you have the geo political issues of Teardrop/Catalyser verses Planetoid/Mutagen what is the connection how do you get from one to another.
Thats it quite simple in the narrative arc sense but then you can get into those questions Creation/Death/Soul the all about everything approach.
ALIEN COVENANT
To enjoy art certainly a movie I need a mediator some one I care about. if you think about every single remark about the potential follow up to this film ALL of it is about whose gonna be in it (W-Y,Engineers,Colonists) none of its about a character we identify with. David is a psychopathic robot who will say do anything I sincerely hope no one here feels warm and cuddly about that.
However yesterday I noted that critics suggested MF blew NR off the screen and that MF was therefore the preferred choice . Personally I felt they both made the film in their different ways. I also think that analysis is incorrect A C had to get the Xenomorph front and centre to see off A 5 and Ridley saw the interest in A 5 as a reaction to not having the Xeno I am fairly certain he now knows he was correct in the first instance. The reasons that Elizabeth and the Engineers were nixed was repositioning for the Xeno nothing more nothing less.
@I Moon Girl to further accentuate the originality of Alien Covenant we have:
1. the second in command gets face-hugged and chest-bursted in both A1 and AC
2. a Dallas in A1 and a Tennessee in AC
3. a Ferro dropship pilot in A2 and a Faris lander pilot in AC.
4. Xenomorph killed by ejecting it into space A1, A2, A4, AC.
Yes, AC is fully original , not just a nastier version of a Best of Alien Series.
"4. Xenomorph killed by ejecting it into space A1, A2, A4, AC."
Actually that would be a cool way for David to meet his demise...ejected into space...waiting to burn up in an atmosphere or smashing onto LV426? Gravity sucks!
Taking your first comments to me, and what I supposed is heavy sarcasm in the second comments taken into consideration, I can see where there are similarities to Alien:Covenant and the rest of the franchise.
Still, let's just ignore the Xeno references (Points #1 & #4). I'm not sure I get your Point #2. Point #3 just seems, to me, to be more of a necessity of the private and public accessibility of space travel. Any large ship is going to HAVE to have some kind of small ship to go to a planet. I don't consider Point #3 to be a similarity.
A:C, to me, is different than other movies in the franchise because we get more of a philosophical and musing approach that seems to drive the basis of the story. The Xeno is kind of the point in the movie because we are SUPPOSEDLY learning how the Xeno came to exist. Still, seeing the Xeno in action is only a quarter of the movie or so. In Alien, Aliens, Alien3, & Alien:Resurrection, I would say that the Xeno is in action for at least half the movie to be general about it. A person could easily argue for three quarters of the movie or more, but I have never ACTUALLY timed how long the Xeno in action is driving the story. I guess the Neomorph is kind of acting in the Xeno's place, but the big difference in A:C is that David is in the mix. So, David brings the colonists into protection and then the Neomorph problem is essentially gone and David gets to run the story. Eventually the Neomorph comes back into play, but it eventually gets shot down and the story moves back to David driving it again.
In A:C, we get more of a anatomical gore that is a part of the franchise, but hasn't been at this level and especially in the way it was shown in A:C. In previous movies, the anatomical gore was more of learning from what exists like in the facehugger dissections. In A:C, we see a mad scientist who's goes even madder as the movie goes on.
We also get to listen to David and is highly arrogant and superior attitude which is heavily influenced by philosophy, poetry, art, science, and culture and we get to observe his clever, well-thought out actions. In a sense, he's kind of like a Renaissance Man, similar to his "father".
The last time we got anything close to this was in Alien3, yet those persons were more religious, while David is more of a self-proclaimed god.
I can love Alien: Covenant JUST as long as the possible Alien: Awakening is something different and A:C isn't just used as a template for the last of the prequels. IF A:C is an example of how all ALIEN movies should be made, then the franchise is dead. Still, if it's one way of making a movie out of the whole franchise, I can love it for what it is... as something different. I think it's a good decision to make the movies in a large franchise different is some ways because ALIEN would never work as a franchise if the same things just get repeated over and over again. Still, I have to admit that A:C is probably my least favorite of the franchise at the moment. Still, it's only a little over a year old too, so things could change.
I Moon Girl Maybe poets are artists are arrogant, but philosophy (which kind of philosophy did you even see there?) and science are concerned with finding out of Truth, and one can not be arrogant in that pursuit. And judging about that he mis-understands Ozymandias (not only misquotes it) and even Lawrence of Arabia, where a strange guy tries to help people in need, he is perfectly ok with killing them, so I guess, ultimately he does not understand it also.
And what about his clever plan. Rotting away in his private hell, alone even if he seemed to long for companionship (which he raped and killed). He send a message from a cloaked planet, so people would stumble there by chance, have an Synth who looks just like him even thought there were more than 70 years before there creation dates. How convenient that in the future there will be no face-lifts for products, even though the previous generation had problems (exactly the same that were between Ash and Bishop... even more originality here). In short this plan is a series of lucky coincidences. unless there will be revealed that a great conspiracy was going on all along.
But please enjoy if you can.
I think it was simply a scene meant to demonstrate the Engineers' capabilities and pivotal role in life itself. It could have just as likely have been Earth as it could have been Paradise as it could have been literally ANY other planet the Engineers seeded life upon. I see it as a general but important scene demonstrating the Engineers essentially liquefying their own DNA into a reverse-pathogen seeding life throughout the universe...
But thats just my opinion.
I have seen people try and connect what I call "The Cave Element" of A-C to Shelley's Frankenstein because its sub title is "The New Prometheus." Mary's choice of sub title is entirely right but to try and suggest the sub text of the two pieces of art are connected when the emotional environment of the creatures are like not even close does not work.
If you then work through the signposts or otherwise.
Michael's delivery of the Ozymandias lines come across to me in the first person and thats not helped by him uttering them before he releases the Urns in "The Crossing." Whereas its context is 3rd person historical. Shelley meets a traveller who tells him the story and offers him the revelation of the inscription. The people recounting the tale are observing not participating. So one traveller can offer it another but neither are responsible.
In Prometheus David is brought down by the Engineer in Lawrence of Arabia Lawrence is brought down by his encounter in Dera'a. He is a changed man, humbled seeking peace. The narrative in LOA is then driven by Allenby's and Fiesel's manipulations before he is finally free whereas the narrative of A-C begins with his recovery in Elizabeth care not dissimilar to Ali's role. Somehow when A-C starts up LOA has gone to the birds.
If a robot is obsessed by a movie character and finds his own narrative in him and is fascinated by a real person so much that he interrogates her sub conscious then that should mean something in the narrative and if it no longer does then why.
Certainly Michelle.. i do like to go into to much detail, i'm like that in real life, often over explain stuff when getting to the point is better ;)
I certainly think Dr Shaw was our Proxy, maybe i am confusing what a Proxy means so forgive me... I think it meant that she is the ONE Character we are supposed to connect to as far as the Journey from a Humans Point of view... Ridley Scott was posing Questions that indeed a lot of people would like to ask, some of the Biggest Questions in Life, IS there a GOD, is there a AFTER-LIFE (but it was more about a Soul) She was brought up with Religion/Faith but undertook Scientific Endeavors to find out the Truth, and Connections with Ancient Civilizations which then leads her to find a Connection between Ancient Mythos and Cultures and Alien Visitors. So then Shaws Findings would kind of Contradict her Faith.... so she would now also want to know ARE these beings who left those Star Maps our Gods, and if so HOW Godlike are they, WHY the Created us, WHY they never came back. Which after the Discovers she found out, left her with some Answers and so as to not keep going on... she was then wanting to find out WHY we was created, to then be Destroyed, and then holding onto her Faith she hopes to discover there is more to it than this and WHO created them.
She would have been who we can connect with for those answers, and its a SHAME she was killed off, because its hard to put someone else in this Role Now...
I Felt David was a Vessel to be used to show us the None-Human side, to Propose Ponder, that there is nothing Special about Creation and to get us to ask WHAT is a Soul... and also follow with the Rebellion/Creation themes that we see in many Cultures, be it GOD vs Fallen Angels, Titans vs Olympians and Mankind vs Synthetics
A lot of Philosophy, and Questions and ways to Expand/Explain HOW/WHY the Engineers and their creators are connected to OUR Mythos and Religions etc.
With Dr Shaw Killed off, and those Engineers but leaving a little bit of clues, it appears those Themes and Philosophies are not important no more and all that is... is HOW/WHEN/WHY the Xenomorph was created and ends up on the Derelict.
which is a Shame... as going away from Alien could have set us on a Journey with unlimited potential, but now we are heading on a Spoon Fed Joining the dots up to ALIEN route that Prometheus had initially not planed at all.
I look forwards to your work, as it appears those Questions may not be answered in the Future, or at least not how Prometheus had set up.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
@Michelle
"who wants to create (oh really) because he is superior (by sitting in a cave on a rotting Paradise) how amazing"
Previous to AC i was always drawn to David being a Large Part in Revealing what Dr Shaws Answers would be, while she would be our Character to connect with as far as the Horror of finding out what she hopes for is not what she gets, and boy it would have been interesting to see how REVELATIONS affect her Character, the what would then happen to Naive Faithful Dr Shaw would her Character changed into potentially could have been EPIC.
But i felt the Sequel would have been showing us WHAT makes Creation and WHY and it would reflect back to showing David continue to do the same. I feel David finding out what they do about Creation and the Engineers and their creators would have lead to him realize these Mortal Beings are Seen as Gods, as his Creator saw himself by VIRTUE of being Creators. I think David would have seen himself as Superior and Felt that its his Destiny to Create/Show those Creators HOW to Create more Perfectly. I wonder if the reveal would have shown our creation was for similar reasons to Davids, and then the Engineers similar to why we was created, and i think at this point finding out WHERE and with WHO would have been interesting, the whole HOW MANY Layers of Creation are there above us and is every Reason for Creation/Sub Creation similar, or at some point was the Reasons Different.
When Alien Covenant came out, from Davids interaction with Weyland and Walter, the Flute Scene, the Ozymandias scene, i felt all seemed to be going the route that i had been led to from Davids Arc from Prometheus. Especially after RS started to tease about a Sequel in 2013.
I felt that Legacy played a Key Role, especially regarding Why David was Created and Mankind. But its always interesting to ask WHY is there Creation in context to our GOD Mythos and Mankind.
There are many reasons throughout various Mythos/Religions and it would have been interesting to see which APPLY to where Ridley Scott was taking us... As these could apply to WHY David was Created, WHY Mankind was, and WHY the Engineers were too.
I feel we was not going to be shown we was Created because THEY COULD as Holloways Proposed to David as far as WHY he was created.
I dont think it would have gone the Christian Faith, God Created Man to be Loved and his Pride and Joy. But maybe this route could have been WHY one Chain in the many Layers of Creation was Created.
Otherwise we do have these Reasons which appear in many Civilizations.
*Companionship. Because the Creator was Alone.
*Worship. so the Creator has someone to Praise/Respect them.
*Legacy so the Creator is Remembered, Revered by someone that can pass on their Legacy Acknowledgment of who and how great the Creator is.
*Replacement (Pursuit of Perfection) for previous Rebellious/Flawed Creation.
*Service. To serve and perform functions/tasks and Chores.
*Ally Contingent. To aid them to oppose/overthrow arch rivals.
*Some other Benefit to the Creator of Great Importance for their own Personal Ego, or Benefit to their Future.
There are other Reasons for Creation in Various Mythos but these do seem to crop up a lot, and NOT every Mythos/Faith has all of these but they do have some of these.
It would have been interesting to see which of these applied to Mankind and the Engineers Creation. We have a better Picture of WHY David was Created, and i think as he becomes Sentient and realizes he is more Perfect/Superior to Humans and Engineers, then the REAL Reasons he was Created would no doubt offend/disappoint him.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
"A:C, to me, is different than other movies in the franchise because we get more of a philosophical and musing approach that seems to drive the basis of the story"
AND
"I think it's a good decision to make the movies in a large franchise different is some ways because ALIEN would never work as a franchise if the same things just get repeated over and over again"
There was a continuation of the Philosophy that Prometheus had began, it was more in context to David/Weyland but then it could be a hint at why we was created by the Engineers too. I think Alien Covenant had to cover a bit of this Philosophy that Prometheus had, because it was a sequel to Prometheus, and in part if there was NO Philosophical Connections/Continuations then it may have disappointed Prometheus Fans. I feel Prometheus 2 would have covered more Philosophical Connections in relation to David, Mankind and the Engineers. And would have been a more Thought Provoking movie.
But indeed it appears FOX felt that leaving the Xenomorph out was a mistake and that the Purpose of the Prequels should have been to concentrate more on the Xenomorph Origins.
A lot of the Xenomorph/Alieny connections were Tacked on, as it appeared Alien Covenant was a attempt to give Prometheus, Alien, Alien 3 and Aliens Fans a little something, maybe a bit of Alien Resurrection too. But it appeared to try and Appease Many but Delivered not enough to Appease Any... not to a Satisfying Degree.
This in PART is due to the Limited Run-Time... if Alien Covenant was 3 hours then they could have spent more time on pleasing every kind of Fan to do a bit more Justice.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Would Prometheus have worked IF the opening waterfall sequence was cut?
Just start the movie with the cave and the paintings?
Engineers remain a mystery...Just some creepy alien race. NOT dealing with creating worlds...But creating monsters and cult sacrifices.
Engineer scenes remain intact except the opening one.
OR
Instead of a serene waterfall start to the movie, have the Engineer giving 'birth' to a monster/xeno.
I think thats a Good Question...
Removing this would just bring us to the Ancient Alien Theory where all we can Digest is that Ancient Beings from the Stars Created us, (various theories) which connect to various creation Myths.
Upon discovering the Human like Engineers and the DNA Match we would conclude we came from them but it would be more VAGUE as to HOW we was created with the Removal of the Sacrificial Scene.
We would be more inclined to see the Black Goo as a Biological Warfare created purely to destroy us, where then the "sometimes to create one must first destroy" comment by David would have lead us to conclude the Engineers grew Fed up of us, and Felt the Deacon DNA they are Perfecting is what they will unleash on Earth. To Mutate us. (This in Part could be what was going on).
I still think the Sacrificial Scene was Important, but maybe it needed to be placed at a different part of the Movie, like some of the Fan-Edits had done.
Regarding the Birth of the Xenomorph, Alien Covenant gives some clues when we look at the Prometheus Cryo-Pod Engineers, that the Black Goo maybe can create Parasites inside that BURST out of the Engineers. But the sight of Hollow Engineer Suits, and the Exploding Head, Ebola References and Sacrificial Scene lead me to those Engineers breaking down... and Pondering that the Chest Busted Engineers are from a Organism infected with the Goo (Hammerpedes maybe). But with Alien Covenant it could be that some Engineers did not break down, but some Parasites Grew and Burst out of some of them.
"Engineers remain a mystery...Just some creepy alien race. NOT dealing with creating worlds...But creating monsters and cult sacrifices."
Maybe in Hindsight yes... but it could still reveal that this was the Purpose, that the Engineers worked for some other Race/Machine etc and they created us to replace them or they rebelled and Mankind was created to replace their purpose..
A War Between Engineers and these beings/machines could lead to the Engineers Winning and maybe then trying to decide what to do with Mankind... Then with their GODS gone... they could assume the role of GODs to us... This is just one possible route to go.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Hmm...I'll check out the fan edits...
Also making the Engineers villains would have made David a hero when he exterminating them in A:C!
"Thank you David! The Engineers have been a scourge on the galaxy for Eons.."
I am still leaning toward that Planet 4 is shown in the beginning of Prometheus.
The Beginning of Prometheus
The Beginning of Alien: Covenant
David opening his eyes to Planet 4 would add depth to me because it would imply what Peter Weyland knew and when in regards to the Engineers and their gifts.
@BigDave feel we was not going to be shown we was Created because THEY COULD as Holloways Proposed to David as far as WHYhe was created.
The phrase is a truism. If the tear drop occupants rocked up and you asked them they would be able to say the same thing. There is subtext here Charlie is drunk what he is getting at and why David's look is full of repressed anger is because what Charlie is saying is we made you because we could For us not you it was for our vain glorious desire and thats not projecting listen to the Ted Talk we are the gods now. David who knows the truth about the planetoid always has been a head of the curve and by now has his answers then offers it to the audience would it not be disappointing if you found you had been made because you creators could For them not you. Saying because we could is a non reply unless your inference is for us not you and interpreting Charlie' reply in the context of the Ted Talk fits that.
If this story really is Promethean someone stole something from someone and used it without the blessing of those whom its power resides with. For the Engineers of the planetoid to treat the creation of mankind as a petri dish who turn up and show primitive man how clever they are makes sense. The only other option is they did within the grace of the teardrop occupants but fell afterwards. But three things are certain the created us, they wished to destroy us at the time of christ and they were eviscerated and no one has checked us out since, that might be important. Maybe "they" do not care or they got happy.
"because what Charlie is saying is we made you because we could For us not you "
Certainly and i agree with the whole of your reply, i think it was here or somewhere else the other day i gave reasons for WHY a Creator would Create Life. My point about the Holloway saying to David because we could, was because while i agree with your point, which i will elaborate on in a bit. I think it was more than just ONE reason.
The "we made you because we could For us not you" fits some of the reasons for Creation i mentioned, in that one reason could be for some Purpose for the Benefit of the Creator, which means not for the Good or Benefit of the Creation.
When looking at David there could be a number of those Reasons, for Weyland it would be a Crowning Mark of Achievement a Legacy for him a Symbol much like Ancient Pharaohs had Monuments Constructed in their Image/Honor. But then we see also David could have been Created as a Companion to Weyland but also as a Personal Servant. If Synthetics became a Reality then Companionship and to Serve and be used as Labor/Workforce would be TWO common uses.
These 3 things we can get the picture of with David, but then we could ponder other reasons too, like i am wondering (just a personal idea) if Weyland Created him for another Reason of Benefit to Weyland.. Which is that IF Weyland can created a Synthetic that would not Die/Age like a Human but looks like a Human, and then he can Master Uploading Weylands Memories, Experiences and Emotions (Soul) to a AI Program then Upload that to a Synthetic then to a degree Weyland has got his WISH.. Prolonged Life. I feel this as a Motive fits Weylands Personality and Character, but thats not to say this is a reason for Creating David.
So while we can look at WHY David was created and draw conclusions, we are left with WHY Mankind was created, which we have less Basis to form any Fact on, and is more open to interpretation and theories. And i think one of the BIG Reveals for a Prometheus 2 would have addressed this, which we can then had seen Dr Shaws Reaction.
Was Mankind Created for the reasons as David? I think maybe some, but its one of those Questions we all hoped would be answered. I also wonder if the LV-223 Engineers are Created for the same reasons as David? One thing the supposed Source Mentioned was David is more in common with the Engineers than Mankind. And 18 months latter when AC came out and i saw those Engineers on Planet 4 and then RS comments it got me thinking those LV-223 guys could be to Engineers on Planet 4 what Replicants are to Humans in Blade Runner, and if we look at this in context to Gods, then this could reflect the Planet 4 Engineers as Gods, Annunaki and LV-223 as the Angels, Iggi and so this would fit with those LV-223 Engineers being Fallen if they Perverted the intention/purpose of the Creation Tool/Gift but this is just ONE theory and the Beauty of Prometheus was it allows for many theories. So i think Ridley Scott and Lindeloff have to take some Credit for that, despite it being something some fans disliked (lack of Answers and Answers that Raised more Questions) but its this that allows for the Many Debates/Discussions on sites like this ;)
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I also think one of the other Mysteries are about the Agenda of the Engineers, because the Sacrificial Scene seemed Important, the Reason is something interesting to Ponder. If it was to Destroy us Thousands of years after (Millions maybe) then its a Big Investment of Time.
Discovering what the intention/purpose for Mankind is interesting, and we have to wonder if it reflects certain Mythos and Religion. I think Prometheus maybe hinted to us that Mythos could apply to the Engineers, certainly those on LV-223 at some point in Time, but it could also apply to Weyland too. So we can Ponder if Mankind was NOT supposed to be more than Cave Dwellers and some Engineers took it upon themselves to Gift us Knowledge that we was not Permitted.
We could imagine similar with the Walter Models if say they Turned up and Dr Shaw was alive but lost her DAVID, and then seeing Dr Shaw influence and alter those Walter Androids to become Sentient and Free like David.. Then in the Context to the Mythos Dr Shaw would be performing the role of Prometheus to a degree, or Lucifer if we look at the Biblical/Paradise Lost account.
So its interesting to Ponder if Certain themes are Repeated, on Multiple Levels. I just dont think when Ridley Scott called the Engineers Fallen Angels he refers to them ALL and in context of Fallen = Demons =Evil/Wicked and Cruel. I think Fallen Context could be to Rise Up against the Limited Purpose they had, or doing things against the Wishes of their Creators/Hierarchy or/and interfering and passing on Knowledge that was Forbidden. Or they themselves obtaining this Forbidden Knowledge... But sure as Part of this they could be Cruel/Wicked too.
I think asking IF they are Evil/Wicked (Not Benevolent) we have to ask in Context to Who? The Slavery Trade would be consider Malevolent to the Slaves but not to those who Started/Used the Slave Trade. The Slaughter of animals for Food is not Benevolent towards those Animals but most of us dont see it as a Wicked Act... these are Life-Forms that are Insuperior and Insignificant to us, and we think only about the Benefit it is to us.. So i do think maybe the Engineers could see us, just as we would a Lesser Organism on Earth.
So they could be a Grey Area as far as Wicked/Cruel or not. The Sacrificial Scene Ridley Scott said was a Benevolent Act, the Space Jockey he had before mentioned in similar context... but these Acts could be Benevolent to their own kind ALONE.
So there is again so so much stuff we could have done with our Engineers, as far as Agenda and Background which we maybe wont cover much now.
The whole Space Jesus Aspect i take as RS explained it, he was a Emissary that was sent down, that we interpreted as Divine. And i ponder if they had sent others and even more than ONE and IF others on other Continents that had more Ritual/Ancient as less Corrupt ways of living and so they lived more in Harmony with their Emissaries hence the Later than 2000 years ago Star Maps.. Thats how i see it, but thats just a theory.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
"it was for our vain glorious desire.."
Is David vain or is that his programming ?
I wonder how difficult it was for David....having to cut his beautiful hair....sever his hand...scar his precious face......Is this humanities true crime?
I always thought this would be tough for a human...to replicate such a switcheroo ....But for a synth? Piece of cake!....EXCEPT were're talking narcissistic David.
