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MemberPraetorianMar-03-2017 8:17 AM

The Engineer in the beginning of Prometheus consumed a small amount of black liquid in order to affect a planet.

With such a small amount used before the Engineer elders left, what would happen if David 8 used to contents of the cargo hold shown above (or from the juggernaut shown crashed) to wipe out Paradise on arrival?

David 8 obviously can turn it on and pilot the juggernaut.

Why wouldn't David 8 be able to carry out the plans the Engineers on LV-223 had for Earth but on their home?

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MemberPraetorianApr-15-2017 9:06 AM

Raining urns.


MemberPraetorianApr-15-2017 9:09 AM

I guess David 8 let his hair grow out after the attack (above) on Paradise.


MemberPraetorianApr-15-2017 9:15 AM

The presumed two Engineer ships operated by David 8 and Dr. Elizabeth Shaw on Paradise are below.


MemberDeaconApr-15-2017 5:06 PM

Indeed makes sense David leaves his Hair to Grow, as it seemed in a Shot from the earlier Trailers with the cloaked figure.

We can clearly see Davids Clothing underneath and unless its a bit of Lazy Research, and a Oversight... i wonder if they have a reason for this as David was only wearing a Plain Grey T-Shirt under his Space Suit at the end of Prometheus.

As far as the other Ship... is it a Ship? is it a docking system?

And we have to ask did this ship come from Paradise or where ever this World is?  If indeed it is another Ship, and David and Shaw are flying one each this would logically mean they obtained the Ship before this Shot, or maybe even prior to arriving at this place and David taught her how to use it?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberPraetorianApr-15-2017 7:50 PM

BigDave, my timing is still obviously off.

If the bodies are still present when the Covenant crew arrives on Paradise and David's hair is short when the urns rain down then how is his hair long when walking through the grass if this is when the Covenant crew is present?

David is talking to Oram above with short brown hair.

I still say this is David 8 engaging someone other than the Covenant crew (above and below) in the cloak with long blond hair.


MemberPraetorianApr-16-2017 8:08 AM

Happy Easter everyone.

Thank you BigDave for your Planet 4 topic (see here) covering the time period (Alien: Awakening) that we project related to the David 8 images above. I'll post all my analysis in regards to this on your topic concentrating on this time period.

Again, have a wonderful day everyone. Every gift you ever wanted or needed is celebrated today. I wish the best of health to each of you and nothing but success in what you do.


MemberFacehuggerApr-16-2017 8:55 AM

Happy Easter Ingeniero! And everybody else! And You were totaly right about the long hair on the cloaked figure!!

              "Bees have hives, man" 


MemberPraetorianApr-17-2017 5:49 AM

Thank you and likewise Parkerparrot. I'm going to perform a study on this hair...funny but I believe it is very revealing.


MemberOvomorphApr-17-2017 6:40 AM

i cant be the only one whose noticed a similarity to the ship/docking system/wtf is that thing and the creature from the mural in the ampule chamber...  also i've only just acknowledged that the humanoid in this is wearing clothes... 


MemberPraetorianApr-17-2017 10:57 AM

Great example waftlord. I can now see the arms folded around bent knees with some kind of head in between the knees of the creature on the bottom. The creature (if so) is so hard to make out but you can see the biomechanical esthetic on the arms.

Yes, very similar Engineer esthetic across both images. Could the larger ship also be hidden on LV-223?


MemberFacehuggerApr-17-2017 1:15 PM

My guess is that David and Shaw aquired that ship on a yet unknown world, and that story is what we might get to see in Alien: Awakening...

              "Bees have hives, man" 


MemberPraetorianApr-17-2017 3:09 PM

Does David 8 rain urns down on those below from multiple openings in the Engineer ship he arrives in?

There appears to be multiple openings in the ship David 8 is standing in.


MemberOvomorphApr-17-2017 4:14 PM

I wonder if the new ship is actually in the foreground in this picture.  Edges are sharper than the juggernaut.  Also, if it were just above the hole, where is the huge shadow on the mountain behind it?  Sun is directly to the right according to pillar shadows on the ground (although I cannot find the juggernaut shadow either).  I think the juggernaut is near the hole as it is about the same size and the doors look like the ones from Prometheus.  Maybe this is a shot of the other ship flying towards the center of city from our perspective?  Just a thought.



MemberPraetorianApr-17-2017 7:29 PM

Thank you KurtisRay.

You are able to see the shadow underneath the huge craft on the bottom of the original pic on the buildings. I had most of the edge of the shadow cropped out where you were unable to see it.

The rounded-bulbous portion of the craft above might house a giant spool of a great number of black goo urns that are piped out the openings like the one David 8 is standing in below.

Is this what happens to those below resulting from David 8's attack?


MemberPraetorianApr-19-2017 8:38 AM

I took the HD scan image and enhanced it.


MemberPraetorianApr-19-2017 8:42 AM

Engineer ship scan enhanced.


MemberDeaconApr-19-2017 9:32 AM

With regards to David 8 here is how i see this connection.

David arrives at this World (maybe its Paradise, if its not then i would assume they went to Paradise prior) The Bombardment happens.

Many years pass by while David conducts experiments, leading to Davids Hair Growing.

There is the potential for a alternative in that this Bombardment happens less than 10 years prior to Alien Covenant, as it appears David may have had access to more fresh Engineer related Corpses.

But thats for a different debate...

I assume safely that as the Covenant Crew are getting attacked by the Neomorph ('s) that David turns up in that cloak and releases a Flair (where he get this Earth Weapon is another debate) and then he reveals himself.

I would think that it is latter after David and Walter meet that David has his Blonde Hair Cut.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberDeaconApr-19-2017 9:42 AM

As far as the Creature from Prometheus Fresco, i hope this gets explained to some degree as the Frescos was making some kind of connection to it and the Eggs, and the fresco had that Prometheus Punishment look to it.

If we go back to Alien and the Derelict and the Xenomorph and the Hive in Aliens, then Aesthetically the Xeno and Derelict shared a connection Genetically, it was like there was some connection.  HR Gigers Mural had a Derelict Shaped Object that was constructed from what looks like a Xenomorph this is a hint that he thought the Xeno and Ship had a Genetic Connection.  HR Giger felt the Ship was Grown and was like a Plant, and his idea was the Ship Produced the Eggs, in the Egg Silo via Pregnant Bio-Mechanical Bellies...

But seems Prometheus toned down the Bio-Mechanical elements and Alien Covenant looks to follow suit... in that Xenomorph related DNA is Less Synthetic/Mechanical and more Organic, while the Ships are less Organic and ore Synthetic/Mechanical.

A Merger of the Organic Origin of the Xenomorph and the more Mechanical Engineer Ships would indeed lead to the Derelict and Xenomorph in Alien... But we cant be sure if this is a route they will be going or a route they will show us how things once was and the Technology has been Re-engineered to separate the Organics into the Black Goo and Mechanics to make the Juggernauts

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberDeaconApr-19-2017 12:12 PM

I will now attempt to tackle the Dilemma of the Bombardment from Davids point of view.

The above TWO Images are labeled as Follows.

A) Pilot Chamber/Orrey Room

B) Area where the Space Jockey suits are.

C) Potentially the Cargo Hold David Walks through.

D) Potentially another Cargo Hold

E) Another Cargo Hold?

So we have to try and work out which of these locations David could be standing at.

From this image we see where David is in relation to where the Cargo of Urns are falling from, i have pinpointed a Object of Importance to his Left hand Side (A) looking at the image next to it where we can see the Juggernaught, could it be Object B on this image?

It does not seem to match to me, and it cant be objects  C, D and E as they would appear on his Right side, which we see nothing.

But if we get the ship completely wrong and dont assume David is facing the direction the Arms of the ship are at, if he was facing towards the rear of the ship (that could actually be the front) then he would then not be able to spot A, B, C, D or E.

So could it be F, as in the Floor Space if this disappears, i have used the next image as a example, of F (Floor space giving way) and D where David could be. 

This above section example could apply to either side of the Pilot Chamber i used this side to make the point as the other side is obstructed to point out what i was getting at.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberDeaconApr-19-2017 12:30 PM

The other option is if we consider the last image posted in the previous reply  where i have circled in Orange the Cargo Bay opening and David with a D and the Floor giving way with F

If we apply this logic to any of the Cargo Hold Potentials on the Left Side Facing out on the Juggernaught labeled C, D or maybe E  and then Assume what if the Juggernaught is docked to Area C or B or about (Circled Area below D) of the Scorpion Ship/Dock then maybe this explains that view?

The only other Explanation could be if the Bombardment happens from the Scorpion Ship/Dock itself...

But then the Question is how does the Cargo get to this Scorpion Ship/Dock,  surely it does not have the Cargo Itself as why would the Engineers be as foolish to Store it on a Ship on Paradise or this World.

Secondly if the Cargo is Transported from the Juggernaught to the Scorpion Ship/Dock then thats odd as we have to assume the Juggernaught can unload its Payload without the Help of that Scorpion Ship/Dock

The other option would be that the Scorpion Ship/Dock also never came from this Place and David and Shaw acquired it from someplace else... if we Assume the Bombardment is unloaded from it.


I conclude that the Juggernaught must Dock with the Scorpion Ship/Dock at about Point D on the image posted above.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberPraetorianApr-19-2017 7:36 PM

"The other option would be that the Scorpion Ship/Dock also never came from this Place and David and Shaw acquired it from someplace else... if we Assume the Bombardment is unloaded from it."

I believe the larger scorpion-shaped ship came from somewhere else (explained in Alien: Awakening), those below on Paradise were expecting a different message than the urns raining down on them, and only the juggernaut has been shown discovered by the Covenant crew.

Excellent frame of reference analysis on the juggernaut above BigDave. Thank you.

Attack on Those Below the Engineer ships

I believe both the juggernaut and the larger Engineer ship can both deliver urns. The arch opening of the temple is visible in the image with David 8 delivering the urns on the right against the binding of the magazine.

I do believe David 8 is on the larger Engineer ship in the urns delivery image, see arch opening of the temple in the right side of the urns image.

Here are those below under the arch opening of the temple looking up at the attack.


MemberDeaconApr-20-2017 9:02 AM


Then we have to ask a few Questions (which was the purpose of my Planet 4 Topic).

*Where does this Scorponaught lol come from? Surely not LV-223 as we see David and Shaw only leave in the One Ship and this Scorponaught is Larger.

*If they get it from some other place, then why would this place have a Ship that is carrying the Bio-Weapons?  Unless it is carrying a different Weapon that has different effects and is not the same Weapon System as the Juggernaught (Davids experiments can be carried out with the Urns from LV-223).

*If the Weapons are the same as LV-223 then why would they Store such Weapons on different systems, or did the Juggernaught offload some of its Cargo to that Scorponaught 

Looking at the Shot of David and the Bombardment it could appear David is watching from the Scorponaught  but it could just as much be him watching from the Juggernaught docked with the Scorponaught 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberDeaconApr-20-2017 9:14 AM

Done another Comparison and Educated Resize so i could be a little off with this but i think for certain the Scorponaught is Larger for certain.

Time will tell, but i feel this is the size difference approximately.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberFacehuggerApr-20-2017 12:37 PM

Maybe it could be that the Juggernought is a freighter, in wich the black goo urns are transported to and fro Lv 223, where the go is made or stored. (You do not want that on your doorstep...)

The scorponaught (I like that word, has a nice ring to it...) on the other hand, is the bomber, wich is loaded from the Juggernought. Because of the instability of the goo, the urns can not be unsecured until the last moment, before they are deployd.

My guess is also that the scorponaught is not from this world (paradise?) But from the homeworld of the Engineers, where it was obtained by David and Shaw. Wich we will get to see in Alien:Awakening...

              "Bees have hives, man" 


MemberPraetorianApr-20-2017 1:32 PM

You are able to see the temple in front of David 8 more clearly in this fresh release from Empire Magazine.


MemberPraetorianApr-20-2017 1:34 PM

David 8 has long blond hair in the urns photo above.


MemberPraetorianApr-20-2017 1:39 PM

The urns' tip/end is activating as they leave the ship.


MemberFacehuggerApr-20-2017 1:45 PM

Black goo/accelerant might be another symbolic/religious artefact, inverted by the storytellers. Black goo may be like holy water, it can be blessed and used to give life, or twisted the other way, can destroy life.

Black goo may be like a programmable dna substance that can rewrite the organism it comes into contact with. 

Like monks chanting or religious mantras, the goo may be very flexible and programmed using thoughts and sounds?

the engineer ship was activated by sound, shaw is apparently singing a song in the trailer, sonic technology?



MemberFacehuggerApr-20-2017 1:49 PM

Yes! I just saw that one, Ingeniero! Spectacular, dont You think? I begin to wonder about how much of the film we are beeing fed here, through different tvspots, magazines, trailers and so on...I thinkt it is getting a  little too spoilerish, for my taste. I do have to admit that I am a total sucker when it comes to click those threads, though...


              "Bees have hives, man" 


MemberPraetorianApr-20-2017 2:05 PM

Layers of urns are visible at the top of the image (enhanced).
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