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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianMar-03-2017 8:17 AM

The Engineer in the beginning of Prometheus consumed a small amount of black liquid in order to affect a planet.

With such a small amount used before the Engineer elders left, what would happen if David 8 used to contents of the cargo hold shown above (or from the juggernaut shown crashed) to wipe out Paradise on arrival?

David 8 obviously can turn it on and pilot the juggernaut.

Why wouldn't David 8 be able to carry out the plans the Engineers on LV-223 had for Earth but on their home?

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Parkerparrot

MemberFacehuggerMar-14-2017 2:49 PM

Maybe David somehowe releases the containers with black goo on arival to paradise through some kind of "bombbay door-device and that  the "burnt figures" that you see in some pictures are the humanoids that lived on paradise ( not necessarily Engineers) and that those pictures are from a flashback. Maybe something that David tells the crew from covenant? 

It also seems that Shaw has hid away in the Juggernought, maybe to avoid contamination? After the Juggernought has landet David waits for the black goo to do it's thing and then sets up shop in the temple... Everything according to his programing. This is all part of a greater plot. The company allways wanted a specimen for the bio-weaponsdivision... And it is too dangerous to experiment with this on Eart... 

How the company knows about this I have no idea.

 

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Apex_Predator

MemberFacehuggerMar-14-2017 3:37 PM

I am thinking the lv233 engineers wiped out paradise and other planets where perhaps there were more humanoids. Earth was the next on the list until someone or something sabatoged it.

When Shaw asked where they came from, and David said paradise. This could be mean thats the last planet they came from wiping out. 

Want some candy?

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianMar-14-2017 3:53 PM

Apex_Predator, that is very good and why not? David didn't tell Dr. Shaw nor any other Prometheus crew that there were "many" other ships.

David told Dr. Shaw this once she questioned how they would leave LV-223. David obviously knew more about the Engineers than he told any of the crew.

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianMar-14-2017 4:39 PM

Parkerparrot, I agree, that's what I think regarding dropping the black goo somehow...which way?, we haven't seen yet.

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Parkerparrot

MemberFacehuggerMar-15-2017 8:18 AM

Ingeniero... If I was a Engineer, I would not let the black goo run out from my ship through holes in the hull, contaminating the outside of the ship, trying to spread the goo in the atmosphere.  That would bee to dangerous. I'd rather  have a kind of secure way of delivering the canister to its goal and have it expload on impact, spreading the goo all over and contaminating the place that way instead. What do you think?

 

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Parkerparrot

MemberFacehuggerMar-15-2017 8:18 AM

 

 

 

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianMar-15-2017 8:38 AM

Perfectly valid point.

I agree.

 

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Parkerparrot

MemberFacehuggerMar-15-2017 2:25 PM

Ingeniero... Very good point indeed about the weaponssystem and David beeing resistent to the black goo. I was thinking that David might not want to infect Shaw before he can scientificaly master the goo and do it under controlled circumstances.

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianMar-15-2017 8:39 PM

Parkerparrot, there is still so much we do not know about the trip from LV-223 to Paradise.

I thought the corporate timeline was very interesting here:

https://www.weylandindustries.com

I saw when David's skin development breakthrough happened and other notable items in the Weyland Industries historical timeline.

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Parkerparrot

MemberFacehuggerMar-16-2017 2:42 PM

That was really interesting Ingeniero! Thanks for the link! Much apriciated!

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianMar-16-2017 2:48 PM

You're most welcome Parkerparrot. Please feel free to add any information (or point out a needed correction in the topic content) you recover from the Weyland Industries archives and corporate information.

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianMar-19-2017 7:53 PM

A trailer for this topic has been uploaded to YouTube. 

Thank you all contributors.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwyNYNcR59pbLUGn4_qhx8Q

 

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianMar-20-2017 8:37 PM

I agree.

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Parkerparrot

MemberFacehuggerMar-21-2017 1:40 AM

Hi, Ingeniero! That are some cool pictures! So, they control the environment inside the pyramid, using some kind of terraforming device, or maybe the pyramid is that device. They store black goo inside this pyramid. Could the "humidifier" be some kind of system to keep the right conditions inside of the chambers housing the canisters with goo? So they don't start to leak...

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BigDave

MemberDeaconMar-21-2017 2:18 AM

Indeed there has to be some way they prevent them from leaking Parkerparrot  i would go as far as to say some Rooms like the Big Head/Ampoule Room was Sterile and somehow its environment  prevents the Black Goo from being active.. and the Prometheus Crew infected the Rooms Atmosphere.

This would make sense to why the Engineers tried to get into this Room and how the Head was in a preserved State, while the Body was Hollow (nothing inside the Space Jockey Suit).

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconMar-21-2017 2:23 AM

@Ingeniero

I am finding very little evidence of Black Goo attack on Paradise... no evidence of Urns.. do these all decompose over time?  We had the Urns change to Eggs theories on here.... 

But Prometheus seemed to show only the Top was affected.

I also dont see any logical way those Urns get from that place in storage to being Bombed onto a Planet... Ridley did say about Dropping a Sh£% Load of Goo and what would happen.

But then Dropping may not have to mean Technically dropping the Urns... would a more convenient method be the urns are connected to a Mechanism that Activates them so they can be Sprayed onto a Planet?

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianMar-21-2017 7:55 AM

I agree BigDave in regards to the black goo deployment.

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Davefried81

MemberFacehuggerMar-21-2017 12:35 PM

lately I have been thinking that the Engineers in Prometheus were off to destroy planets populations.  Perhaps Paradise was destroyed from other visiting Juggernauts housed at LV-223.  I have said in other posts that the dead creatures in the trailer look like the people in Jonestown who ingested Cyanide and had a very painful death. Could it be mass-suicide?

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianMar-22-2017 7:14 AM

Davefried81, I am crafting theory on pure speculation with what we see in the trailer images. So, the mass Engineer death on Paradise could have been from an attack from others or an event like you describe. Yes, the sea of bodies does resemble the very tragic event that was Jonestown.

What we can say with some certainty is that there were many Engineers that died on Paradise at the same time and it looks like they were in great pain getting there.

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianMar-30-2017 9:58 AM

Black goo weapon storage, Inhalation Effects, Test Planets

Here are captures from the Weyland Classified files in regards to black goo effects from both inhaling and ingesting. I saw portions of this infographic in other topics, thank you for pointing this out. 

I haven't completed my employee training on the Weyland Industries website so this classified material was revealed by noble sources online.

The physical effects described above are similar to the effects (please see Inhalation_Effects above) shown to the inhabitants of Paradise below.

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Parkerparrot

MemberFacehuggerMar-30-2017 11:07 AM

Those are interesting facts, Ingeniero. Wich makes me think about the picture with the urns stacked close together. (I tried to upload the picture but somehow it's not possible right now) It says in the field note that the urns are to be kept apart with a space of 96.52 centimeters. And that it is important. Could it be that the stacked ones are empty, like spent casings?

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianMar-30-2017 4:54 PM

Parkerparrot, I'm sure every detail of the classified notes has some significance. I'll back over it again and review the details.

"It says in the field note that the urns are to be kept apart with a space of 96.52 centimeters. And that it is important. Could it be that the stacked ones are empty, like spent casings?"

I'm sure the 96.52 centimeters has significance some where but spent casing would have a disrupted lid like the ones below.

I bet all of these below in stacks are full and ready for use.

And David 8 knows how to operate the ship.

That is my humble opinion.

 

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianMar-31-2017 3:45 AM

David 8 uses "black bombs", see below.

"David, who was nothing but a severed robot head by the end of 'Prometheus,' is now fully operational in a complete body, and comes out to observe the crowd from a deck on the ship. It’s then that the ship unspools black bombs that cover the entire civilization in a black ooze that melts their bodies."

http://www.thewrap.com/new-alien-covenant-footage-reveals-link-prometheus-spoilers/

See Alien: Covenant set photo below.

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Parkerparrot

MemberFacehuggerApr-01-2017 9:31 AM

Ingeniero

Wow! I have not seen that set photo before! Disturbing.

Yes, I saw the great spoiler! If it's not a april fools thing, wich I don't think it is. 

Maybe the David coming out of the spaceship scene and the bombing of the humanoids are separate scenes, cut together? I mean, a trailer is not allways edited according to how things will evolve in the picture, right?

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BigDave

MemberDeaconApr-01-2017 11:03 AM

I would not have read to much into that Weyland Report as it contradicts itself and what we was shown in the Movie, not only as far as the effects but also how to store the Urns as clearly those stored on the Juggernaught are closer than 96.52 centimeters 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconApr-01-2017 11:08 AM

As for the last post.... indeed i think it now shows us the Ship drops the Urns like Bombs, if this report is correct which i cant think of any reason why it is not.

We see no prove of any Urns in any of the shots, so i hope they have a good explanation or show that the dropped Urns completely dissolve or explode leading no Traces.

I do find the reports to be a bit conflicting as if different sets of people saw slightly different things happening.

Regardless i think there is that big question of those Pompeii style victims because many bodies still lie in this state when the Covenant Crew Arrives which indeed contradicts what the Black Goo does.

The only explanation is a secondary Weapon was used to Halt the Spread of the Black Goo that resulted in the Pompeii style scenes.

UNLESS John Logan completely ignores Prometheus and what it showed and does not care for Alien Franchise and they decided to come up with a Lazy Ass Way to explain it all that contradicts so much we have seen from Previous movies.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianApr-02-2017 7:57 AM

Great point on the urns storage BigDave.

I wasn't sure on the source of the urns image, that you for the heads-up. I'll cross-reference any data points lifted from the Weyland-Yutani Report. I just ordered a copy along with the Alien and Alien 3 novelizations. 

"Regardless i think there is that big question of those Pompeii style victims because many bodies still lie in this state when the Covenant Crew Arrives which indeed contradicts what the Black Goo does."

Yes, I would expect that the charred bodies to be gone from the effects of the black goo by the time the Covenant crew arrives.

One thing we learned from the Prometheus trailers was that the content was cut for maximum confusion (end of the movie shown first with juggernaut explosion). So, I would think the Alien: Covenant screenplay writing should be up to snuff with the 5 year delay in between movies, script re-write, etc...hopefully laziness didn't find a place in the story writing. I would expect John Logan to reinforce Prometheus concepts. 

Didn't I read that they recreated the Prometheus set for Alien: Covenant?

 

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Parkerparrot

MemberFacehuggerApr-02-2017 9:40 AM

@Ingeniero

Yes, I think that it is the inside of the Juggernought that You are thinking of, right?

Has it actually been shown some where that the Covenant crew encounter charred bodies?

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianApr-02-2017 10:23 AM

Parkerparrot, I believe that it shows charred bodies at night but I can't think of a sequence that showed the Covenant crew encountering dead Engineers (may be conflicting reports as BigDave pointed out). 

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Parkerparrot

MemberFacehuggerApr-03-2017 4:39 AM

I just saw Your new thread! Nice pictures!!

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