Thoughts_DreamsNeomorphMember1535 XPOct-12-2021 2:17 PM
It probably won't, but the prequels haven't been that good either. He goes on about his movie, but what about Alien and Alien 3, or does he just care about his own material? Give someone else a try as a director because the last two were mixed at best.
BigDaveDeaconMember10182 XPOct-12-2021 7:04 PM
I agree with Ridley Scott...... The Beast While it was NOT COOKED you had to be Careful... the MORE you Repeat something you do have the Chance of seeing it become Stale or a Joke, we ONLY need to look at what has Became of the Terminator Franchise and well those Robots were NOT as Limited as the Xenomorph.
With Prometheus he had Attempted to Cover the Space Jockey Race, give them a Back Story, offer something to Expand the Franchise beyond Eggs and Face Huggers etc.
It was a Brave Decision to TAKE OUT the Xenomorph from the Prequel.... but Prometheus had Evolved to become a Movie that would GIVE SOME INSIGHT into WHAT the Space Jockey Race was doing... without having to SPOON FEED us the Events that lead to ALIEN.
Prometheus was the GATEWAY to a SPIN OFF Franchise... the Sequels were Intended to STEER AWAY from ALIEN.
Star Wars Fans had No Problems that the Mandalorian had NO like Sky-Walkers or Connected Directly to the Movies.. it was a SPIN OFF and THIS is WHAT we had RS going to Attempt with Prometheus (but it had some Problems)
And WHILE this is NOT the Main Problem with Prometheus, there were some Fans who had Felt that the Movie had NOT given us enough that Links to ALIEN.... NO ANSWERS.. and NO real Replacement for the Xenomorph as FAR as Screen Time.
In Hindsight the Movie Needed a Extra 30-40 Minutes and to have some of the more ALIENY Parts that were in the Earlier Drafts...
In Hindsight they should have made a Sequel to Prometheus that went to LV-223 and was more ALIENY that would have Monsters and GIVE MORE CLUES to the Xenomorph/LV-426 and so the DOOR to ALIEN could be Closed.. but also the Franchise UPLIFTED....
The Prequels could have Potential to Explore New Things and that would START with David and Dr Shaw going to somewhere in a Movie that would be a SPIN OFF and NOT go and Connect to Alien or Xenomorphs..
Powers that BE... had Wanted to make a Sequel that would BEGIN to TAKE US to ALIEN... that would GIVE the Answers and that would INTRODUCE us to the Xenomorph and its Origins.... I get the Impression that RS was Disappointed by this....
And so we GOT our Alien Covenant which had done things that UPSET some Fans and its Painted itself into a Corner.
BigDaveDeaconMember10182 XPOct-12-2021 7:08 PM
As for the FX TV Series....
only TIME will tell..... but its SMELLS like a Reboot of the Franchise to me...
Time will Tell on HOW they Handle the Xenomorph Running around on Earth some 50-70 Years before ALIEN i Expect this to be maybe a Better Written version of AVP and AVPR without Predators ;)
Its TOO EARLY to Write the TV Series Off... we can ONLY HOPE its Good and Does-not go and Contradict the Franchise... but i cant see HOW it can Avoid that.
XenotarisPraetorianMember2777 XPOct-12-2021 11:30 PM
I don't feel comfortable with an another pre-FTL travel xenomorph infestation on Earth again. I wished it was set during the James Cameron Era of Aliens
KongzillaChestbursterMember666 XPOct-13-2021 2:07 AM
>>>With Prometheus he had Attempted to Cover the Space Jockey Race, give them a Back Story, offer something to Expand the Franchise beyond Eggs and Face Huggers etc.
It's definitely a good decision. But Ridley also never tried to fully explore the Engineers in Prometheus. It seems that he avoided talking about them.
Ironically, but Alien Engineers contained more information about the Engineers than Prometheus. With Prometheus Ridley refused the alien, but also reduced the Engineers exploring.
It should have been like this: lack of aliens, but more about Engineers. But we got this: lack of aliens and less about Engineers.
In other words.
- many information about aliens.
- many information about Engineers.
- lack of aliens. Only hints.
- double information about Engineers (to compensate the story).
- lack of aliens. Only hints.
- little information about Engineers.
Prometheus is a good film, but in terms of exploring it's not better than Alien Engineers.
P.S. You may argue that Ridley did not want to give us information in the first film, but let's be honest. He is a businessman and knows how the industry works. He knows that you may not have a chance to tell the whole story and then all your ideas perished.
First of all, this is not needed for the creator himself, the director. If you want to stretch the story, then a TV series format is better suited than a full-length film.
BigDaveDeaconMember10182 XPOct-13-2021 4:22 AM
Indeed there seemed to be some things that became Held Back about the Engineers in Prometheus that could have been Covered more in Sequels.... but as you said, while Prometheus had LENT to a Sequel there was NO GUARANTEE.
Your Correct a TV Series allows you to FLESH OUT the Characters and Build the Plot more.. to add more MEAT to the Bones.... as a Movie you have a Limited Run Time of say 2 Hours but a TV Series could give you 6-10 Hours in the First Season.
"I wished it was set during the James Cameron Era of Aliens"
By that if you mean taking Place say after the EVENTS of ALIENS/ALIEN 3 then YES maybe thats ok, but i would STILL have it SET AWAY from our Solar System but Certainly NOT on Earth.
Unless your setting it between Alien 3 and Alien R but is Suspect the Destruction on Earth had came about from a Battle on Earth between Various Human Factions, Various Synthetic Fractions and Autons.
The details are Scarce about the TV Series but what we do know is it would be a SLOW BURNER.... we would Delve more into the Corruption and Greed of Mega Corps and HOW they would USE the Common People to their Advantage. It seems it would give us a Story about some People who are GIVEN what they think would be a Opportunity to Change their Lives but they are being used as Prawns for a Bigger Agenda. And that those in Power see some People as Purely Expendable.
The Xenomorph will make a Appearance... it seems the Xenomorph will be Tinkered with a Little so it will be Different to a Degree but it would NOT go and STEER TOO FAR from what we had in the Movies.
It seems a LOT of the Movie will be Based on Earth and the Idea is to see HOW does the Earth Deal with the Xenomorphs on HOME SOIL..... this is a Concern... and Especially when the TV Series is SET WAY BEFORE the Prequels.
With what LITTLE we know about the Xenomorph in the TV Series it does seem that the Aesthetic could be more like that from Alien Covenant than from Alien/Aliens (Chest Buster is Translucent to a Degree and has a Pair of Arms/Legs).
It would seem the Discovery of this Organism is made in some kind of Engineer Complex or Ship that is Flooded.... and so MAYBE this Discovery is a Sunken Engineer Outpost or a Sunken Engineer Ship.
The TV Series is trying to NOT go and Conflict what the Prequels had Shown.... it will be about in PART a Ancient Threat (Discovery of something Engineer that leads to the Xenomorph).
But it also will Focus on the Threat of A.I.
To me this seems like it will Consider what made the Alien Franchise Great.... but also Consider the Plot of the Prequels... but it seems like it will TAKE those Ideas and RE-WRITE the Entire Lot...
Wait for it........................ the Xenomorph in ALIEN will be a Engineered Version by Mankind or A.I from a Ancient Version they Discovered on Earth....
XenotarisPraetorianMember2777 XPOct-13-2021 6:50 AM
yeah I was thinking more set a little after Alien 3 in an Earth War-inspired scenario where xenomorphs are brought to Earth
MonsterZeroXenomorphMember1297 XPOct-13-2021 2:38 PM
Set on Earth just seems like a budget-saving device. They will probably film in some abandoned warehouses, not having to worry about exotic locations or amazing super amazing skyscraper buildings from 200 years in the future.
If this is just xenomorph versus human....Then I'll pass. ( an average three year old could plot this series )
I'd like to see something new.
How about a pile of DEAD xenomorphs? Thousands of them...desiccated, fossilized.......But still highly toxic! Do NOT TOUCH!
XenotarisPraetorianMember2777 XPOct-13-2021 9:29 PM
wait if there fossilized they wouldn't be toxic because the toxins would have been broken down thousands if not millions of years ago.
MonsterZeroXenomorphMember1297 XPOct-14-2021 5:27 AM
I wouldn't make them millions of years old(100 years tops )they would be like the desiccated Engineers (that David bombed) on Planet 4.
The xenomorphs were also bombed from above. Pest control.
XenotarisPraetorianMember2777 XPOct-14-2021 7:03 AM
oh okay I think you mean mummified, since fossilization is a much longer process
BigDaveDeaconMember10182 XPOct-14-2021 3:38 PM
I think its Interesting to had Considered the Xenomorph as FAR as WHAT would Happen after they Die?
Its seemed the Eggs could have remained Dormant for Thousands of Years for some Reason.... (Star Beast implied this). But with AC it seems those Eggs as of 2122 (ALIEN) are No-More than say 25-27 Years Old... the Originals and those on LV-426 like up to 17 Years Old.
But i dont want to TURN this Topic into the David could NOT have Created them Debate as we done this a LOT... much like the Queen cant have been HOW we get Eggs because in ALIEN and Starbeast we had the Egg Morph.... i think IF something is NOT Answered and then gets Answered in a Different way in Sequels we Accept what we are Shown.. but Each Person is Entitled to what they Choose to Believe or like.
But back to the Point i want to look at.... Ridley Scott had Suggested the Xenomorphs can Regenerate... the ONE that was KILLED on Planet 4 would Regenerate..
I think to HEAL in a Limited way i can BUY... but to Regenerate when they Suffer Heavy Damage and are Basically Pulverized into Many Pieces... than NAH!
I am NOT a Fan of having the Xenomorph be as Indestructible as a T-800 and its a NO to them being like a T-1000 (Terminators)
The Xenmomorph should be a Survivor... something like a Virus, in that it can Find Ways to Replicate and Survive and Evolve Different ways to Survive/Procreate....it can become Dormant.... but then Arise again...
To me a INTERESTING WAY to do this would be that WHEN we see a Xenomorph is KILLED or Dies... then Eventually its Remains would Decompose to a Degree, but then Procreate from this Matter and have it that NEW SPORES/EGGS would Surface from the Remains of the Xenomorph.
You have the Xenomorph also able to Infect a Host with something that would TURN them into a Egg or a Blob of Genetic Matter that a Number of Eggs then begins to GROW from.
MonsterZeroXenomorphMember1297 XPOct-15-2021 2:37 PM
"NEW SPORES/EGGS would Surface from the Remains of the Xenomorph"
Awesome! That works for me.
Once xenomorphs infest your planet you won't get rid of them! (Without an Engineer level reboot! )
XenotarisPraetorianMember2777 XPOct-15-2021 2:57 PM
That does sound scary but I think that should be reserved for a xenomorph offshoot then a purestrain xenomorph
BigDaveDeaconMember10182 XPOct-16-2021 8:25 AM
How are people regarding that it seems this TV Series is SET like Prior to the Prequels........ and maybe could be Set as Early as 2050-2070?
I agree with Ridley Scotts Comments (Assessment), your just NEVER going to Replicate the Effect the Xenomorph has on Screen as we saw from the First Two Movies.
There is ONLY so much Face Hugging ans Snarling you can do before it maybe gets Repetitive. The TV Series will Apparently Concentrate on other THINGS... with the Xenomorph making a Appearance towards the END of the TV Series. It seems they will be Changing it a Little but would still pay Respect and Homage to the Original Monster of the TV Series.
So WHAT we may get would be something that is more like the Alien Covenant Xenomorph than from say ALIENS and who knows... the TV Series may even NOT have any Queens! I wonder HOW some Fans would React to that?
Depending on HOW MANY Episodes it could be we have to Wait/Watch like 200-300 Minutes before the Xenomorph make a Appearance...
I would say if we got 8EP then we wont see any Face Hugging until say EP6 if we have 12EP then likely have to WAIT until like EP9, there is a Problem with the Xenomorph as for SOME then if you see it OVER and OVER and OVER then it may Loose its Effect...
RS had said you have to Evolve it and look at other ways to Procreate. But for some Fans they would Object to Messing about with the Xenomorph and think IF it is NOT Broke then Dont Fix....
I think with a TV Series you can Slowly Build Up other Elements but it will be a TEST to see HOW the Majority of the Fanbase Feels about HOW LONG they wait to see the Xenomorph and HOW MUCH they will be seeing of it.
But it seems the Show could Focus on the DAWN of FTL Travel and the Advent of Synthetic A.I Humanoids..... and OPEN us up to the New Frontier which is Space Travel to other Worlds/Moons for Resources.
But it seems a LOT of the TV Series will be Based in and around Earth, and i do SUSPECT the Discovery of the Xenomorph will come from a Crashed/Sunken Engineer Ship that is Discovered like WAY before the Prequels and so the SHOW must be kind of a RETCON?
I think its a Mistake to SET such a PLOT/STORY like before the Year 2250.... but it could be SET like 200 Years prior to that.
MonsterZeroXenomorphMember1297 XPOct-16-2021 5:29 PM
I'd start the tv-series with a Juggernaut descending on the plains of Africa, circa a million years ago. They would carry a crate with a creature ( xenomorph lite ). Releasing the creature, it immediately attempts to attack them, but the Engineers are shielded, backing down the creature turns towards the savannah. The Engineers board the ship...One stating that they will return in a hundred rotations ( 100 years ) and this will be a good test for their subject.
The creature has an indestructible device implanted that will record its every movement.
The juggernaut ascends into space as the creature rips open an antelope.
BigDaveDeaconMember10182 XPOct-16-2021 6:46 PM
I think a LOT will depend on HOW MUCH they Pay Respect to the Prequels.... they may HOWEVER just Borrow some of the Broad Plot.
AKA... The Engineers are Ancient Race who Seed/Create Life on Many Worlds. so Maybe YES we could get Flash Back Scenes.
Looking at the Actual TV Series it does appear that we would be seeing some Internal (Engineer Aesthetic) Structure that is Partially Flooded.
With the TV Series being Focused on Earth and in the NOT TO DISTANT FUTURE..... this seems LIKELY to be ONE of the Following.
1) The Engineers had a City/Outpost that had became Flooded on Earth...... maybe this is ATLANTIS of Sorts.
2) A Engineer Ship has SOMEHOW managed to become Sunk at the Bottom of the Ocean.
I suspect (2) and that THIS is where we would Encounter our Xenomorph. This would IMPLY that the Engineers/Space Jockey Race had TWICE Attempted and FAILED to get the JOB DONE....
The Biggest Problem i have is that having a PLOT where Xenomorphs are Encountered on Earth like WAY before ALIENS, never-mind the Prequels is a Mistake!
The ONE thing with Alien Covenant and we saw more in the Marketing Video Clip (The Last Supper) is just HOW like Blue-Collar and Unprepared this Group are for the Horror they would Face.
IF everything had GONE to PLAN and they Suffered No Effect from the Neutrino Burst, and they MADE it to Origae-6 and we had it as a TV Series then you would be able to BUILD those Characters better.
My Point here being that a PART of the Franchise is BUILDING BETTER WORLDS... but the Company would LIKELY also Discover more Earth-like Worlds.
So i say that having the PLOT take Place on such a World and in say the Time-Line either Between ALIEN and ALIENS or after ALIENS.... were we have a Colonization Mission Lands on a World and after being there for some Time, they Discover a Sunken Engineer Ship...
They go to Investigate.... and THIS is when the Xenomorph is Unleashed...
As i think its RISKY to have the PLOT on Earth and Especially if its Prior to ALIENS and more so Prior to Prometheus.. this is ASKING for Conflict/Contradiction.... but i do SUSPECT this TV Series will be a ATTEMPT at a SOFT REBOOT of the Franchise.
Maybe they should have made the TV Series a 8-10 Part One that will TELL the TALE of Hadleys Hope? The Story then ENDS with Newt all alone... and then we CUT TO the USS Sulaco and that ENDS this Story.
MonsterZeroXenomorphMember1297 XPOct-17-2021 6:28 AM
I'm okay with the TV-Series taking risks and going off canon. There are plenty of 'off the rails' novels and comics and they're pretty much ignored ......and I've done my share of ignoring them! lol!
Having the series set on another planet will always be my choice......An isolated research crew or something...Monitoring a neutron star from a safe distance....Or a black hole. Just where you'd expect to find another species monitoring also.
Earth is just so boring and already filled with horrors.....Xenos will have a hard time competing with the crazies. OMG!! a xeno attacked and killed 5 people!! So what?... An earthquake just killed a thousand...Another disaster just killed thousands more.
MonsterZeroXenomorphMember1297 XPOct-17-2021 6:37 AM
"...ATTEMPT at a SOFT REBOOT of the Franchise"
Well, this would give them a chance to show Ripley's parents and maybe tie the series to the movies. Giving birth to Ripley near the end of the series?
Or maybe Kane's father is in the TV-Series and he hates to wear masks and worries about suffocation!
Or maybe a shipyard where they are building the Nostromo.
Must be a thousand ways to link the series to Alien.
Thoughts_DreamsNeomorphMember1535 XPOct-17-2021 7:19 AM
This could be a chance to bring in totally new things and flesh out other things. I hope that this will keep something about the Engineers because we need more about them. Have the Xeno as a cameo is a good thing, we've seen it before. My worries are about having androids and if they will focus a lot on that because if that's the case then I'm out, unless their role is heavily reduced compared to the prequels. Don't tie it to the classic characters (Ripley and so on), try something new.
Thoughts_DreamsNeomorphMember1535 XPOct-17-2021 8:22 AM
“To get from A-Z you do-not have to GO were David is going!”
OK but you don't need to feature that a lot, maybe keep some minutes of it in the movie but then focus on more interesting things. What Alan Dean Foster did is something that I find more interesting than what we saw on the screen. Frankly at this point I don't give a damn about David, it might sound harsh, and I don't want to disrespect those that care about it, but I just don't find it interesting.
There is a lot that the prequels did wrong, mainly poorly written and or executed characters and have the android responsible for the xeno. These are just two things, but they affect the movie a lot. At this point a re-boot might be better than to try to solve the mess that it has become, because the mess is just too much unless something really great and unknown happens.
“... and RS has said that it has some EVOLVING to do....” I don't think that he should have anything to do with the story because he is involved with that, then we’ll probably get another David-movie since that seems to be his interest. AC and RBW seems to show that's his interest, but it's not mine. Unfortunately with him involved it's very likely that we'll get something that I'll consider a huge disappointment. “... then GO LOOK for David..…” Let them find him early in the movie, kill him off, and then focus on more interesting things. Keep him as a cameo, if at all. I had enough of David at the end of Covenant. The Engineers keep looking for him, find him through some locating system, go there and battle him and his monsters kill him fairly fast, so we get that out of the way. They take some eggs and upgrade them. By doing this, you get rid of the David-problem and can maybe make a better movie.
“We know the FATE of ONE such Mission..…”
Yeah but there could be a lot of interesting things going on between when they make the eggs and when the derelict crashes. I'm not sure what that could be, but there could be something interesting with some good writing and some twists. I hope that they won't write it in a way that is expected.
“Where were these other Ships going? Did they MAKE their Mission?”
You could have them going to different places and then focus on one mission but don't show how it ended. This could introduce some other well-needed mystery. It could show us some interesting world-building, not that we haven't had that this far in the prequels but anyway. We still have the problem as with prequel one and two, you need writers that know how to do their job properly and a director who doesn't let his ego destroy it.
XenotarisPraetorianMember2777 XPOct-17-2021 11:54 AM
"At this point a re-boot might be better than to try to solve the mess that it has become"
A reboot would help however a reboot has the danger of not being as good as the original movie like this early script from Disney of a Ripley-free Reboot where the main character forget her name will capture a facehugger, incubate it and grow a human-loyal xenomorph to fight "evil" xenomorphs
XenotarisPraetorianMember2777 XPOct-17-2021 11:58 AM
That being said, a reboot if done right could implement things from extracanonical sources into its own canon. I would like to see the xenomorphs becoming more of a cosmic horror entity that slowly becomes dangerous the larger and more numerous their hives become (similar to the Zerg, Tyrranid, and the Flood)
BigDaveDeaconMember10182 XPOct-18-2021 11:44 AM
“To get from A-Z you do-not have to GO were David is going!”
Not sure Thoughts_Dreams if you was meant to Comment on another Thread? As i dont Recall mentioning this on this Topic.
In Context to the TV Series... i Wonder as to HOW MUCH they are going to Respect the Prequels? Because it seems that THIS TV SHOW will be SET prior to the Prequels... but it could be SET AFTER the Prologue between Weyland and David.
The Premise seems to be that it would ATTEMPT to Address the GULF between the Mega Rich Corps, and the Common Working Class and to SHOW that the Rich Guys dont GIVE TWO HOOTS about the Lower Class....
It will also DEAL with TWO THREATS.....
One from the FUTURE (A.I) and One from the Ancient Past (Engineers? Xenomorph?).
So as it seems likely that the TV Show will be in the Time-Line of 25-50 Years from the TED TALK 2023 we do-not know HOW MUCH will be about David and Peter Weyland.... they may CAST NEW Actors or they may ONLY have a Few Mentions of them.... or they MAY even NOT Reference them at all.
All we can be SURE about is that it will Reference A.I as a Problem/Threat, and then EVENTUALLY we will Slowly get to Face the Xenomorph......
And that the TV Show will be VERY Action Orientated. And it Promises to Deliver some Good Special Effects.
Oh and that it will be SET in the NOT too DISTANT Future and Prior to the Prequels.... and a Majority of it will take PLACE on Earth....
THIS is my Concern.... Xenomorphs and Engineers on Earth like Prior to 2180 never-mind prior to 2090 would be well SILLY as it SURELY will Conflict the Franchise... which is WHY i Suspect it may be a SOFT REBOOT.
BigDaveDeaconMember10182 XPOct-18-2021 11:55 AM
I have NOTICED that some Fans are Hopeful it will SHOW US something about Ripley's History.... her Parents? Grand Parents? And that we will see a QUEEN.
I think anyone Expecting either are IN for a Disappointment.
The Prequels had Placed the Xenomorph as NOT being a MAIN ASPECT... for it is just a Creation by someone that is INTENDED to Destroy and Cause Horror to Mankind... as RS felt the more IMPORTANT thing was to LOOK at WHO would Create such a thing and WHY?
But before the Prequels we know Ridley Scott saw the Xenomorph as merely being some Organism Created to be used as Bio-logical Warfare.
Some Fans are more a FAN of what JC had in MIND which would be the Xenomorph are a Alien Species that Inhabit a World that the Space Jockey her merely came Across and Attempted to TAKE AWAY and USE for some Nefarious Purpose but they FELL VICTIM to the Xenomorph just as the W-Y (and USM) keep doing in the Franchise.
As to HOW and WHAT the TV Series will SHOW about the Xenomorph is UNCLEAR... but i Suspect it will be SHOWN to be a Organism that the Space Jockey/Engineers had Created or that had EVOLVED from their Experiments....
Will it INDICATE that the Xenomorph is a Ancient Species? who knows... as FAR as being something that was NOT CREATED... i am NOT sure.... I Suspect we are more likely to FOLLOW something similar to Prometheus/Alien Covenant.
Only it may Indicate the Xenomorph that is Encountered will OUT DATE the One from the Prequels and the Franchise.
BigDaveDeaconMember10182 XPOct-18-2021 12:03 PM
"similar to the Zerg, Tyrranid, and the Flood"
I am not sure we will EVER see the Xenomorph in this way, maybe they could do, but i DOUBT the TV Series would touch upon this..... I think SHOULD they take such a Route you have to be Careful.... because making them like the TYRANIDS would Evolve them but you also could END UP with them being just like Starship Troopers... if its DONE in a Interesting way and Executed Well... maybe it could Work?
If its NOT Executed Well or done in a Interesting way then i think we could have something that could be a BIT too Comic like...... but saying that there is a MARKET for that.
so it depends on WHAT kind of Market they want to go for, and with DISNEY at the Helm you would think there is more Chance of seeing the Xenomorph Expanded in such a way than there would have been UNDER 20TH CENTURY FOX.
Well in just over 6 Months (Alien Day 2022) i think we may have a BETTER IDEA about where the TV Show and Future of the Franchise will be Heading.