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Second Synthetic on the USCSS Prometheus Mission to LV-223?

Second Synthetic on the USCSS Prometheus Mission to LV-223?

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Ingeniero

Jun-11-2019 9:51 AM

Second Synthetic on the USCSS Prometheus Mission to LV-223?

"From the observations of David 8 and [REDACTED] we know that the Accelerant is self-activating and that it manipulates the genetic structure of the living beings with which it comes into contact."

The Weyland-Yutani Report, page 55.

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BigDave

Jun-11-2019 5:09 PM

Ha Ha... i like a Good Conspiracy ;)

This is a EXCELLENT CATCH!

Who knows who this could be, it could be one of the Mercenaries or Mechanics.

Contenders are..

Matthew Burgess (Mechanic 3)
Florian Robin (Mechanic 2)
C.C Smiff (Mercenary 3)
Shane Steyn (Mercenary 4)

I am more drawn to Shane Steyn, but with the Flip Flops and how they are UP and READY and tending to others, then WHO KNOWS ;)

Certainly Cant beat a Conspiracy ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Gavin

Jun-12-2019 1:07 AM

Likely what BigDave said, but let us conspire...

In Prometheus, we were introduced to David, which we believed at the time to be a random name picked out of the proverbial hat that followed the unwritten naming convention for synthetics in the Alien franchise - Ash, Bishop, Call, David.

But with Alien: Covenants introduction of Walter it was revealed that the synthetics of the Alien prequels are named after the producers of the franchise Brandywine productions, who are David Giler, Walter Hill and the late Gordon Carroll. Which could mean that in the next movie Michael Fassbender may be playing a third synthetic called Gordon if rumors that development of the next movie is gathering momentum are true?

As for there being a second synthetic aboard the USCSS Prometheus...

It is my belief that David is the original David prototype, as seen in the opening to Alien: Covenant designed and developed by Peter Weyland himself, and that all subsequent Davids, such as the David 8 were mass-produced copies of the David prototype developed by Weylands company for the commercial market.

If the quotation in the OP is canon this would mean that the second synthetic was a David 8, with the prototype Davids name having been redacted to cover up the truth behind Project Prometheus and the fate of the USCSS Covenant.

However, it is also possible that this second synthetic could be a Walter. In the aforementioned opening scene of Alien: Covenant David is activated within a blindingly white room with a panoramic window looking out to a grand landscape of mountains and hills.

This very same room was also used in the Meet Walter viral video, suggesting that the Walter model of synthetic may have been developed at the same time as David. However, it would seem that the Walter model aboard the USCSS Covenant was an upgraded Walter model.

Going back to the naming conventions, it is also possible that that the other synthetic aboard the USCSS Prometheus may have been a Gordon model if David and Walter were manufactured at the same time.

BigDave

Jun-12-2019 3:39 PM

I watched Prometheus Last Night...

I will come back to the Mystery Person shortly...

After this scene i watched the Briefing that Followed and in that Room were... Dr Shaw, Holloway, David, Miss Vickers, Fifield, Milburn, Chance, Ravel and Ford of the Main Cast.

With also the 4 Mercenaries (Wearing Black) and 2 Mechanics (Wearing a Green/Beige with Caps)

Missing were  Janek and the other TWO Mechanics

Mechanic 3 (Eugene O'Hare)

Mechanic 4 (Matthew Burgess)

Are the TWO that were Unaccounted for at the Briefing, the Guy on the Floor being seen to by our Mystery Person is Mechanic 3 (Eugene O'Hare) and so maybe he was being seen to by Mechanic 4 (Matthew Burgess).  Maybe this makes sense if these TWO Work Close together hence they was given Maintenance Duties during the Briefing.   You would need someone to be on the Bridge and also Crew who can Help with the Ship should any Problems occur while everyone else is in the Meeting and thats the Job of your Mechanics ;)

So the Mystery Person could be Matthew Burgess but he is only Listed as being in TWO Movies and there are NOT many Photos of him to Compare... 

In the Shot in Question the Mystery Person seems to have a Different Nose and Look Older, so maybe its NOT our Mechanic 4?

There are 3 other Members of the Crew who COULD fit the Bill...  which are Mercenaries 2,3 and 4 however IF it is one of those then they GOT up First, dressed similar to David and then prior to Breakfast they Got Changed into their Black Top Security Attire.

IF not then we really could WONDER who this other Person Was!

If the Flop Flops are a Give Away, then No Wonder our David was Upset that Dr Shaw would not Give Him any Loving... because she already Slept with Android Holloway LOL

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Jun-12-2019 3:49 PM

Regarding the Naming then Indeed Gavin we would have been Expecting a Eugene or Edward but we got a Walter and so who knows if the Next Synthetic we see could be Gordon, we cant rule that out.

Regarding David the Back Ground is changed a Bit by Alien Covenant, and so the Time-Line of David Models from the Prometheus Viral Site are changed a little.

We have to then Consider one of TWO things...

1) How much had the other Models Changed/Advanced from 2-8? Because apart from the Hair its hard to tell even a Walter/David Apart!  So is David only David 1?

2) There are some Minor Advancements as things Improve between Models and Each Prototype has the Memories (Soul) of the Previous Model Prototype Transferred into the New Body.

I would be inclined to consider (2) and i think its likely IF we get a AC2 then we would see David Transfer his Soul into a Walter Model Body (if he is not revealed to already had done so).

I would not be draw to the Walter and David being created at the Same Time, its likely after the Yutani Merger they used the Same Room, but those beings seeing to Walter are Asian Ethnicity and i think thats a sure sign of a post Weyland-Yutani Merger.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Lone

Jun-13-2019 3:14 AM

I actually noticed the other similarly clad person from my first viewing of PROMETHEUS & have often wondered if it was another synthetic. As he appeared to have little significance regarding the theatrical release I let it go.

Ridley did state in an interview from the set that there could be another synthetic on board. Since then I've wondered if perhaps the other person was originally intended to feature more prominently, but changes during filming caused that character's role to become virtually insignificant, or perhaps relegated to the cutting room floor?

We may never know!

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Lone

Jun-13-2019 3:21 AM

Another thing, why does Walter say "we are Walter" at the end of the Meet Walter viral?

After seeing how COVENANT ended, does it mean that David & Walter have always been assimilated? 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Lone

Jun-13-2019 3:27 AM

I still think that David uploaded himself into Walter, rather than cutting off his hand etc. Mind you, if that were the case, why didn't the cuts on Walter's face self heal?

Sorry for going off topic, why do I even bother about it anymore?  :)

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

daliens

Jun-13-2019 7:00 AM

What if Walter downloaded David's files (mostly the files shown in Advent, passwords, whatever made David's twisted character) and chose to reign in hell?

David saw the potential of Walter (you have symphonies in you, brother) and simply the fact that he gave him the choice to serve in heaven or reign in hell means that there was a possibility of choice built in Walter. Or maybe he started to malfunction after he was brutally shut down by David?

Another fact that could indicate Walter is on board the Covenant is the transmission sent at the end of the film, he logged in as Walter.

He did not forget about the cabin on the lake (I think this part is even missing in the novelization), he was just being sadistic, knowing that Daniels was now locked into the cryopod, he was playing cat and mouse.

 

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

BigDave

Jun-13-2019 3:17 PM

I think what we have is DAVID... be it his Body or Walters, he was Masquerading as Walter to Mislead the Company, so that maybe they would not Investigate the Covenant and just assume all is now well and its on its way to Origae-6.

The Advent is a Strange One, as i dont think this is a wise move by David, it makes NO sense for him to Transmit this, not before he has Accomplished what he had intended.   But he could have done this as a Red Herring, if say he would mislead the Company to go to Origae-6 so that David can go elsewhere... But it is still a Potential Error for David surely if he decides to go to  LV-223 instead or stay on Planet 4, the Company would be sending Ships to those places, and as those places are within a 10-12 Months from Earth, the Company would Detect the Covenant is heading towards this area.

Maybe The Advent was a attempt to Bait the Company to go to LV-223 and Planet 4 as Priority so that they DONT follow him to Origae-6.... but then the we have to ask that IF he had NOT sent the Advent Message, then would the Company have any reasons to SUSPECT something is NOT right with the Covenant Mission and Intercept the Ship before it gets to its Destination or at a Later Point which would leave David less time to Create what ever he wanted?

Regarding Multiple Synthetics..... in regards to Walter, then i think we could assume there are enough Spare Parts to Maintain Walter, and its a case of WHAT parts are there and is there enough to Build a New Walter, or MORE than ONE?

And what default Program would they have, and would David be so Foolish to Activate One, without Wiping its Memory/Protocols First?

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Ingeniero

Jun-13-2019 7:01 PM

Gordon is such a great reference Gavin.  

I'm familiar with the David and Walter models being named after David Giler, Walter Hill and it hadn’t occurred to me that another could certainly be named Gordon, after Gordon Carroll.  

The white room is shown quite clearly and from the same angle in the Meet Walter and the opening of Alien: Covenant and I don't believe it was an accident.  Thank you for the rich historical framing.

Ingeniero

Jun-13-2019 7:04 PM

Please add anything you think of Lone.  I've read a topic of yours in the last days and appreciate anything you have to add, on topic or not.

Ingeniero

Jun-13-2019 7:35 PM

Excellent reconciliation of the mechanics and mercenaries BigDave. Thank you so very much.  

He could be a second synthetic if we consider important the fact that they were shown both performing the same action at the same time while laying a hand and a towel across the shoulder of those comforted, above photo.  

This was right after Vickers said to David to wake everyone up but there was a break after David walked in the room with the opening hypersleep pods before the cut to the second pair of flip flops.

I'm still trying to figure out the recipient of Advent.  

"And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead."...no realization like this for me yet with the Advent recipient.

"2) There are some Minor Advancements as things Improvebetween Models and Each Prototype has the Memories(Soul) of the Previous Model Prototype Transferred into the New Body."

Sir Peter Weyland's notes (The Weyland-Yutani Report, page 35) were used to build the Hyperdine Systems androids (Ash).  

I assume, at the time of his death, Mr. Weyland had multiple synthetic models in development in addition to the David 8 and Walter models.

Ingeniero

Jun-13-2019 8:39 PM

I've got a "Video unavailable" message for the embed in the topic.

"Playback on other websites has been disabled by the video owner."

I didn't disable the playback so I can only assume it is a constraint (20th Century Fox, Disney) due to the film sequence of the video. That is a real bummer because I had a great shot of the flip flops.

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