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Alien: Director's Cut & The Big Guy in the Chair!

Cerulean Blue

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Posted Oct-09-2017 8:51 AM

Last night Alien: Director's Cut was on again & I watched it again, as I love it!  I can say the part I love most is the beginning of the movie, up until the chest-burster emerges from Kane's chest!  I get chills every time they see the Dreadnaught & the Space Jockey for the first time!  Anyway, my thoughts today are:

1) The Big Guy in the Chair is definitely NOT an Engineer & is at least 15' tall.

*I am thinking we will see another race involved in the next movie, if there is going to be a connection made to the Space Jockey & his ship?*

2) As Kane descends through the acid-burned hole & below the orrey room of the Dreadnaught, he compares the the lower area to a 'cave'.

*Is this ship that large, or is it sitting on top of a tunnel the SJ chest-burster made?*

I know we have previously talked about these issues, but I thought it would be good to hear what you all think.  What do you think will be done to address these issues in the next installment?  Will Sir Ridley  leave the Space Jockey, the eggs & the Derelict Dreadnaught as ancient?

9 Responses to Alien: Director's Cut & The Big Guy in the Chair!

Davefried81

Oct-09-2017 10:00 AM

We have a fair amount of forum topics that dive into the Space Jockey size difference. 

Dark Nebula

Oct-09-2017 10:18 AM

"The Big Guy in the Chair is definitely NOT an Engineer & is at least 15' tall."

I'm pretty sure Robert Wadlow was human, despite him being almost 9 feet tall, way taller than an average human.

That's just my opinion.

 

"Human heaven? Goodness, humans don't go to heaven.

Someone just made that up to prevent you from all going nuts."

- Kryten, Red Dwarf S3E06 "The Last Day"

Batchpool

Oct-09-2017 1:57 PM

We know that Ridley wants to join up the dots in some way to tie things into Alien. What we have seen in Prometheus and AC gives us some idea about the big guy in the chair and the possible nature of the cargo. We know that there was an event which resulted in the derelict coming to grief and sending out a warning beacon.

We know that the engineer outpost in Prometheus has been around for over 2000 years give or take. Could the derelict have come to grief during that time or was it an event that could have happened thousands of years earlier ?

If the Engineers have been travelling around the universe for eons, I think it would be safe to assume that there have been changes in their technology over that time. Although we know that the engineers we meet in Prometheus have human DNA characteristics, that does not automatically mean that the big guy in the chair does.

With AC, as much as it has been annoying that we do not really know what events happened to Shaw that resulted in her fate, there is a massive gap in the storyline that imo demands to be filled in. There is an entire history, mythology, and cultural gap surrounding the engineers. This gap has been deliberately omitted I feel so that it can be filled in with C2. I would like C2 to keep the derelict an ancient event, and hope that possibly, its fate was a warning from the past not to touch the cargo.

It could be that David is about to repeat past mistakes that the engineers are more than aware of, and will stop at nothing to obliterate David and his experiments.

I think the opportunity is there for Ridley to deliver something that rounds everything up within the context of David’s story, but to also maintain some of the mystery of the derelict.

BigDave

Oct-09-2017 4:15 PM

Its simply a case of changing things as they go along... so we shall have to wait and see what happens between NOW and ALIEN.. however it is looking like David will arrive at Origae-6 which means he will arrive at this world about 10 years prior to the Events of ALIEN and so if those Eggs are Davids Creations, then they have to end up on a Engineer Ship on on LV-426 which we can safely assume is quite some distance from Origae-6 and all this will have to happen within a 10 year timeline.

Sadly it appears they make it up as they go along and dont consider what groundwork was laid before them in previous movies, and any given LORE or Comments and Interviews made on any subject connected to Alien and also this includes Viral/Marketing information that was meant to play as a History/Back Ground.

Nope Nothing is Safe from them simply changing things as they go along...

Initially indeed the object was to show case the Space Jockey as a Ancient Event, and Alien Engineers tried to Shoe-horn it in.. but with FLAWS. Prometheus just gave us vague clues, but we could see there was a connection between Xenomorph and the Experiments that had been conducted on LV-223 and the Outbreak and Space Jockey was likely a connected event.

Ridley Scott even confirmed it...  Here is the Final Answer for the Space Jockey prior to Work on the Prometheus Sequels.

*The Space Jockey was a Engineer, well a brother to the Engineers

*The Derelict was a brother to the Juggernaught and Technologically they are a few hundred years apart.

*The Derelict was carrying a Bio-Weapon Cargo

*The Derelict left for a undisclosed location but it did not get FAR.

*Something in the Cargo Hold Evolved and it got to the Pilot.

*Knowing that the Pilot was infected the Space Jockey set down a course to a near by Barron Moon to Quarantine the Cargo.

*The Derelict did not Crash, it was intended to Land where it was found.

*The Space Jockey was Chest Busted during the Final Stages of landing.

*The event had occurred within a Few Hundred years of the LV-223 Outbreak that killed off nearly all those Engineers 2000 years ago.

So in a Nut Shell, the Derelict had THREE Outcomes....

1) A Earlier Model Juggernaught had been transporting a Cargo that Evolved and infected the Pilot who then attempted to Quarantine the Cargo but Crash Landed on LV-426. Many years latter the Engineers recover something and begin Experiments on it on LV-223 the results of which are Stored in the Urns, until the LV-223 Outpost suffers a Outbreak some few Hundred years after the Derelict Crash Landed on LV-426

2) The Derelict was a different model that had loaded some Cargo from LV-223 a few hundred years after the Outbreak, but the Derelict did not get far before the Pilot was Infected and Crash Landed on LV-426

3) The Derelict was part of the Mission 2000 years ago before things went to POT, and the Pilot had attempted to go into Cryo-Sleep to escape the Outbreak.. He had awoken a few hundred years latter only to find that he was infected by something that Evolved in the Cargo Hold and so he then proceeded to continue his mission but he only got as far as LV-426 before he had to Quarantine his Cargo and Crash Land on LV-426

I would say all Clues point to OPTION 3 being the most likely

As far as Space Jockey Size... Indeed the Space Jockey would have been 13-15ft tall, and indeed the idea for the Prequels was that the Space Jockey Engineer Race would be 15ft Tall, this ended up being 12ft for Prometheus Drafts... but the Final Product we was to assume are 9-10ft tall..

Sadly the Illusion did not work and our Engineers only appeared to be 8ft Tall Maximum, similar Scale Problems also happened with AC, where the Engineers Ranged from 6-7.5ft tall.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

Oct-10-2017 7:21 AM

I can't wait to see who the Engineers answer to Cerulean Blue

Ridley Scott has confirmed that the Engineers are not who Dr. Shaw thought they were (creators) and that there is another "player" who has yet to be shown. 

"2) The Derelict was a different model that had loaded some Cargo from LV-223 a few hundred years after the Outbreak, but the Derelict did not get far before the Pilot was Infected and Crash Landed on LV-426"

I do believe that we will get details in the next film on number 2 above BigDave. And finally have a little more on the system where LV-426 is apart of.

 

Cerulean Blue

Oct-10-2017 9:54 AM

@Ingeniero - I am beginning to think either the Space Jockey caused the outbreak on LV-223 as punishment to the Engineers & took the eggs, or the LV-223 Engineers found the Space Jockey & stole some eggs to experiment with on LV-223?

I think this next installment is going to really be a great one!

Ingeniero

Oct-10-2017 11:10 AM

That is a tough one Cerulean Blue.

BigDave is correct in saying "Nope Nothing is Safe from them simply changing things as they go along...". So, it really is up in the air in regards to who the Space Jockey is and how long he's been on LV-426.

I believed that the LV-426 juggernaut was affected in the same event, or series of events, that killed most of the Engineers on LV-223 (below).

Now, I'm not too sure in how long the juggernaut on LV-426 has been there nor the origin of the eggs since that David 8 has been shown to create an ovomorph and its residing facehugger.

In addition to this, in Advent, David 8 tells of the Engineers setting aside the mutagen gifts to give room to timidity.

This opens up that the eggs on LV-426 could be very old and from the time before the Engineers had gone cosmopolitan like those seen on Paradise. It does appear that David 8 "rediscovered" something that had been buried and not used in the Engineer society on Paradise.

The LV-426 eggs could be a very old batch or a product of amazing story telling with David 8 creating them. 

 

Cerulean Blue

Oct-11-2017 7:07 AM

@Ingeniero - I think the Alien 'Covenant' could be similar to the Ark of the Covenant.  I am going to start another topic!

Cerulean Blue

Oct-11-2017 7:07 AM

Double post!

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