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Ati

Sep-19-2017 4:36 PM

CASE FILE ADVENT // COVENANT TRANSMISSION LOGS d.13

9XZ
RITUALS AND CUSTOMS.
SPECIAL ORDER 899.
PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING.

David: Their files once told of an ancient ceremony, such cruelty, once thrived, long since frozen over, given passage to timidity, the cost of progress must be absolute, but not for the weak.

'This transmission is particularly interesting because to me it looks like Weyland Yutani had complete knowledge on what David was doing on Planet 4.

The reason I think this is the Special Order 899 and Psychological testing, “Phobos” was the test that the Covenant crew had to undergo in order to qualify for the mission.

I believe the test was to see that they would not be “weak” in the face of danger and go ahead and take risks in spite of better judgement to stay safe.

When David talks about the ‘ancient ceremony’, he is referring to the scene we saw at the beginning of Prometheus. The Engineer sacrificing himself to seed the world.

The ‘cruelty once thrived’ David refers to is the Deacon mural on the wall of the head room in Prometheus which shows the lifecycle of the Deacon. Which the Engineers utilised when they wanted to destroy their creations. Passage into timidity meant that the engineers had changed their ways and renounced their violent ways

The ‘cost of progress, must be absolute’ is about what the company needs to do in order for him to conduct his experiments, by sending the Covenant to him on Planet 4.'

--- The analysis was created by muthur9000.

Source: https://muthur9000.tumblr.com/post/163987221745/advent-transcription-break-down

21 Responses to Weyland-Yutani Knew...

I Raptus

Sep-19-2017 5:08 PM

fascinating! The pieces are slowing revealing themselves keeping us on our toes!!

Awakening is looking like it will be an epic showdown

Ati

Sep-19-2017 5:13 PM

IRaptus - I hope your last line describes the future of the Alien Universe making every fan happy. :)

Lawrence of Arabia

Sep-19-2017 5:31 PM

I love the little bits insights we get into the Engineer culture. The sacrifice could be both the way they create life on planetoids and their ceremony to conceive a Deacon as Steven Messing describes it.

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

Ati

Sep-19-2017 5:41 PM

Visit the embedded mural link as well. Very interesting:

I Moon Girl

Sep-19-2017 8:13 PM

For me to accept this, I do wonder, then, what meaning does the transmission David sent to WY saying, "I have your ship," and so on in the Advent video.  I interpreted that whole transmission as David showing WY what he has been working on and that he now has the Covenant ship.  I didn't interpret that as anything less David notifying WY for the first time.

I do think David did some hacking and altered the course of the Covenant to pass near enough to Planet 4 so they would pick up the Shaw transmission.  If that's not the case, than I do think it only makes sense that the Covenant was led to pass by Planet 4 on purpose.

I don't understand how anybody sees that WY sent the ship to David?

I guess I should ask some questions....

Where is that transmission scene or heard in the film or is it in one of those internet videos released by Fox?  I'd like to experience that transmission again and give it more thought. 

On another note, I can't find the Advent internet video...I guess it's in that video?

I Raptus

Sep-19-2017 8:19 PM

lets hope this give us some answers in a week's time!!! :-)

 

I Moon Girl

Sep-19-2017 8:31 PM

IRaptus said, "lets hope this give us some answers in a week's time!!! :-)"

Oh yea!  I got mine on pre-order!  Should we have another website countdown like we did with the movie Alien: Covenant?  THAT IS how excited I am to get some more.

I Raptus

Sep-19-2017 11:16 PM

I Moon Girl nice! I have the kindle version pre-ordered so I can read it straight away. If i ordered a physical copy to Australia the next film would probably be out by the time it got here lol.

 

daliens

Sep-20-2017 1:57 AM

David: Their files once told of an ancient ceremony, such cruelty, once thrived, long since frozen over, given passage to timidity, the cost of progress must be absolute, but not for the weak.

What if he means the same rituals David was using to create the biomechanical Xenomorph (thanks Ingeniero).

http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/46481

The progress can be the creation of biomechanical engineers as we saw in Prometheus,  they are different from the sacrificial ones who are similar to the Paradise population. Their timidity seen as a weakness. Getting to blend the the biomechanical features might have been a cruel process for the chosen ones, something similar to the way of getting elongated skulls at the children in Ancient Egypt and pre Columbian civilization from central America. 

 

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

ali81

Sep-20-2017 6:42 AM

how would WY be able to monitor David's activities on planet 4?

Cerulean Blue

Sep-20-2017 7:35 AM

@I Moon Girl - I wonder if David meant 'I have your ship', to be in relation to having a Juggernaught?  That may be of high importance to Weyland-Yutani, too?

Ingeniero

Sep-20-2017 7:35 AM

David 8 was on a priority mission to acquire Engineer technology ali81 beginning with the preparations for the Prometheus mission.

Corporate knew of the Acheron system for decades. This may not be the system where Paradise is but Weyland-Yutani Corporation knew of the Engineers' system in regards to LV-223 and LV-426.

David 8 opened his eyes (above) to the landscape shown in the opening of Prometheus. The planet shown has been debated and I believe that the below image is of the planet Paradise.

David 8 was groomed his whole synthetic life to find the answers in regards to creation (by acquisition of alien technology) and operated under many Special Orders from Weyland-Yutani Corporation. And it looks like David 8 wasn't the only synthetic on LV-223 with the Prometheus crew (below).

"From the observations of David 8 and [redacted] we know that the Accelerant is self-activating and that it manipulates the genetic structure of the living beings with which it comes into contact."

Weyland-Yutani Report, page 55.

In 2094, Dr. Elizabeth Shaw transmits [classified].

Weyland-Yutani Report, page 8.

 

Covenant Mission

I believe Dr. Shaw transmitted where she was going and corporate sent the resources (Covenant mission) strait to David 8 in order to capitalize on the Engineer technology acquisition confirmed by David 8 and Dr. Shaw. The image below from Phobos tends toward this.

 

Cerulean Blue

Sep-20-2017 7:41 AM

@ Ati - I again watched Alien-Director's Cut on Cinemax last night & as Ash spoke from his detached head, he seemed to do so from a position of prior knowledge regarding the Xenomorph.  I think he was completely sure of all he was told about the abilities of the Xenomorph, & was even more impressed by it, having seen it in real life situations?

Cerulean Blue

Sep-20-2017 7:49 AM

@Ingeniero - YES!  David was Weyland's tool to uncover the mysteries of creation!!  It was David's pre-programmed mission in life & his 'duty' to his Creator, or Peter Weyland.

ali81

Sep-20-2017 8:08 AM

I get that the company were aware of the transmission from lv426 and given that the expedition never returned, it would be safe for the company to assume that the 2 were connected. and yes id agree david would have been on a priority mission to gather tech for the company.but I still don't see how the company would possibly be aware of what david is doing while he is on planet 4. from what I can tell between the end of Prometheus and the olive branch message, there has been no contact and the company may well be none the wiser to davids whereabouts. since weyland is dead david, I believe, is free from any previous priorities regarding the company

ali81

Sep-20-2017 8:28 AM

im betting while weyland was alive, he was the only one that david served. he was the only one who could give david an order which he would follow as he was created to serve weyland. weyland would have given him orders to gather intel and tech for him during the Prometheus mission and report only to him so the company im betting, have no authority over david. now weyland is dead, no one has authority over him. the olive branch message suggests NO contact has been made between david and the company since he left lv223 at the very least. if he had been in contact with them and they had come to an arrangement then why send the olive branch message which is clearly sent after david leaves planet 4? plus, if the covenant could hardly communicate with the surface of the planet while in orbit, how could the company be in contact with david? when their light years away? the olive branch message itself isn't really that clear on its purpose either. david tells them what he has been working on, how he has progressed and what he intends to do next yet he makes no demands as to what he wants from the company. he even states that his creations will rule which makes the whole message kinda pointless. to me its more a warning of whats to come rather than any kind of attempt at reconciling which again adds strength to the argument no one controls david and he is acting alone. thats only the way I see it

Ati

Sep-20-2017 9:16 AM

Ingeniero - Thank you for the info about the extra AI! Awesome!

Cerulean Blue - I hope we'll get the answers from the next movie! 

I Raptus

Sep-20-2017 2:27 PM

Ingeniero do you have the Weyland-Yutani Report book?

I ordered one last night thanks to a tip-off from a member about where to find some great reliable/canon info on ship specs and the like :)

I Moon Girl

Sep-20-2017 4:37 PM

@Ingeniero

How could the Covenant's mission purpose reflect around acquiring alien technology?  It's a colonization mission according to WY.  The Covenant just flew very suspiciously close to Planet 4 on their way to colonize Origae-6.  Maybe WY created the Covenant mission to provide hosts for David is apparently one theory (as we see in this thread), but then there is evidence in Advent that suggests that WY never knew of David's location.  I wish I could watch Advent again, but I do remember David formerly introducing himself, like he's meeting the viewer on the other end of the video for the first time.  He breaks down everything he did in that transmission, basically, like WY never seen or heard of anything David has been doing on Planet 4 since after the Prometheus mission lost contact.  

Sorry, I'm not ready to jump on this new bandwagon of a theory just yet.  I think my theory is more plausible when considering what has been presented so far, but maybe that's just a little of my pride too.  Plus, depending on how you look at it, the neutrino burst plays a part in the crew discovering Planet 4, yet it does depend where you're getting your facts from as well.  The movie and the novel both have their viewpoints on the neutrino burst when you analyze the conspiracy that is the Covenant mission.

ali81 makes sense of this theory in this thread and I pretty much feel the same way.  Still, communication could've been done through Engineer technology.  David knows the language and apparently knows how a juggernaut works fairly well.  I wouldn't be surprised if he went to a local Planet 4 library and learned some more things about Engineer technology, which would lead him into connecting with people on Earth in some way or another... like hacking, for example.  

David seems like a hacker to me because he hated serving Weyland and looked forward to being free and enjoyed making himself as perfect as possible in addition to his experiments.  Why would any android so against serving humans be on a servant mission for WY in the movie A:C.  We know how much he hates how androids are "built to serve" in A:C.  I don't see how David is serving WY.  I don't think he would even trick them that he is serving them because David wants to protect what he has made and knows WY could easily copy him if they had the goo, eventually.

@IRaptus

I wish I could have the book now, but I prefer reading in paperback.  I'm telling you this, there must be some great stuff that prequel book because I don't know why else they would release it?

 

ali81

Sep-22-2017 10:54 AM

I moon girl, I think ingeniero is talking about the Prometheus mission. I am pretty sure david would have been ordered by weyland to find tech and other things for him that was not to be shared with anyone else. u see this when david is about to enter the room with the last engineer. he turns his camera off when speaking to Vickers. even she wasn't to know, yet david then returns to the ship and wakens weyland. he is most definately doing as he is told by weyland, even tho the old man is fast asleep.

I Moon Girl

Sep-23-2017 10:58 AM

@ali81

Yea, I can see that David had a purpose to find alien technology for the Prometheus expedition for sure, that is until Weyland died and the Prometheus crashed and killed everyone except for Shaw.

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