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Alien Convenient?

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Phallic Jaw

May-20-2017 7:51 AM

OK AC worshippers, do not fret, I won't bash the movie in this thread too much. I just have (naturally) more questions for everyone, lovers AND haters. 

I have seen a lot of discussion on here over the last 24-48 hours about a number of plot points which had been both incredibly interesting and frustrating, but nobody (not that I have seen) has mentioned the convenience of the covenant experiencing the malfunction that would wake the crew up, and thus have them then be in JUST the right area to be able to intercept Shaw's transmission or drunken singalong (you gotta be drunk to sing that song lol) or whatever it was supposed to be.  I understand it's just a movie and the writers just needed a way to get them to the planet but it's all too convenient isn't it?  The sail thing was also unnecessary and a little elaborate.  Again, I suppose just a way for the writers to find a way for Tennessee to be out in the open to be able to intercept the transmission/Karaoke party.

I know this would have maybe been lame (or would it not?) but I would have preferred it if David would have set up some kind of distress beacon or something to attract people DIRECTLY to "his" planet.  We have seen this before in the franchise, and so while it may have been lazy it would be familiar and more logical and less far-fetched.  I mean, let's examine the facts.  David needs humans or humanoids (seen as though he evidently destroyed all the "Engineers") to continue his work.  What was he going to do?  Just sit around FOREVER until somebody just STUMBLED across his planet like we would stumble across a restaurant in a new town?  I don't think so.  So why not have him send out some kind of distress beacon (assumedly) using the Juggernauts technology, which apparently was still working as we saw in the movie?  No need for colonists en route to a new planet 7 years farther than "Paradise", nada.  I would have preferred that.  Like I said the way it transpired in AC was all too convenient.  Not a huge deal though, and it's totally not what spoiled the movie for me, but I just wanted to discuss it.  Thanks again, friends!

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.  I watched Androids blow and finger each other's flutes.

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Snake

May-20-2017 8:00 AM

The signal could be received from a million miles away since they still had to travel another 2 weeks to get to the planet. If this is one of your complaints about the story, you should per definition also hate Alien.

Gonna see Alien 3 now. bye!

Dr. Curt Connors

May-20-2017 8:01 AM

Yeah what it all comes down to is the rehashing of old ideas over and over. And yes that would have made way more sense but then it would have been like Alien and they are trying to do stuff different but they're not. So they should have just done it cause they are using ideas again and again anyway.

colonialsoldier

May-20-2017 9:12 AM

I saw this post on IMDB and the questions/remarks posed fit perfectly with your question...

 

278 out of 405 people found the following review useful:

Nonsical plot and stupid characters ruin it all.

1/10
Author: kuuk3 from United Kingdom
13 May 2017

*** This review may contain spoilers ***

Spoilers. This film is a complete mess.

1. There is a ship full off over 1000 sleeping passengers. Yet they have just one android to look after it all. Why not have 3, 10 or even 20! They don't age and surely you need a backup.

2. A rogue unexplained solar flare hits the ship disabling it, and Walter says they should leave the area asap. But instead they go further into it.

3. An astronaut outside the ship picks up a stray signal through his helmets two-way radio, that somehow appears in visual form on the glass of his helmet? Yet the giant ship with the radio dish right next to him misses it!

4. How did they determine the artist from the white noise? What they found later no-way explains why they sent a song into space for no apparent reason!

5. They are able to trace a stray video signal to a planet two weeks away at star-ship speed.

6. You don't need to send almost the entire crew down to an alien planet! A scout team of four would have sufficed. Or maybe just the android on reconnaissance.

7. They pilot the drop ship through a plasma storm, yet it is sunlight clear within seeing distance. Why not fly around the storm?

8. They should have scouted the area, alien buildings and mass graveyards before landing the ship.

9. They land in the water, even though solid ground is just ten yards away. With unknown worms other possible deadly life in it. Unstable ground is not wise to land on, just to get your shoes wet?

10. You open the door after landing, not during.

11. They don't bother wearing space suits, they don't send the android out first to test the area.

12. They leave just one person on the ship, and leave the bay door wide open in unfamiliar terrain.

13. There is wheat on the planet. Did they just take seeds with them for the fun of it?

14. You do not let an infected person with an alien disease back on your ship.

15. Don't open the door to a quarantine lab with a monster in it, and don't go inside and slip on the blood.

16. When you shoot the metal wall of your shuttle with metal bullets, they usually ricochet. The fuel canisters are not usually left inside the ship, on the wall next to the door.

17. The two crew members that were in the shuttle as it exploded. At what point do you go check on all the screaming in the next room?

18. When following an android on an alien planet with a flare gun, through a dead city full of dead bodies, don't bother asking him about any of it. Or suspect him as the only survivor to have been the cause.

19. Androids kissing each other. Android David raping a woman. Why?

20. David decides to give himself a haircut, using garden sheers for no obvious reason, yet afterwards it was clearly done with an electric razor. And no one questions it.

21. Android robots can play the flute. You need lungs for that, to blow air.

22. Android David created the dust mites, the mutant embryo, a dozen eggs without a queen. Yet he made all this without any scientific equipment, zero tools, while living in a cave filled with his drawings and a flute.

23. The smart mini dust mites were perfection. A micro monster that kills within minutes. Logically, why would it evolve to a size that makes it vulnerable?

24. Don't split up in an alien vessel.

25. When you contact the main ship in orbit, give them a full report. Not just two words. And they should have abandoned you at that point to protect the rest of the passengers.

26. When the Captain finds David, talking to an Alien with the decapitated head of a fellow crew-member in the water, he doesn't start shooting him. Instead he follows him into the bowels of the ship and into a room full of eggs.

27. Do not look directly into an alien egg that is opening.

28. Apparently the gestation time of face alien impregnating a person to full alien form is just ten seconds now. Yet later it takes a few hours, and in Alien it took a day.

29. When Walter goes to confront David after being attacked, he should have got himself a gun. He was missing a hand, and about to fight another android on his home turf.

30. Do not fly a colony ship into a plasma storm, overwriting every safety protocol.

31. The loading platform should have flown straight back up. There was no reason the pilot was swinging the ship around like a mad man. The alien was not affecting its movement, and the storm had even subsided. Yet he flew it into buildings and all sorts of tilting.

32. With problems piling up, you don't turn of "Mother" the main ship computer for rebooting.

33. The aliens smash through reinforced glass with its head at every opportunity, without any harm to themselves.

34. The humans wear spacesuits to survive in the vacuum. But apparently aliens can survive without them.

35. Do not take a loud shower, with loud music and ignore the siren alarms.

36. When you have two identical looking androids and one of them is evil. Perhaps ask it a few basic security questions before giving it full command of the ship.

colonialsoldier

May-20-2017 9:12 AM

@Dr Connors, doesn't Snake belong in the Escape from New York forum?  lol

Dr. Curt Connors

May-20-2017 9:30 AM

@colonialsoldier    This is gold! Made my entire month at least! Hahahahaha, yes he does belong in the Escape From New York forum, haha.

Snake

May-20-2017 5:23 PM

Here goes:

1. Any company has a cost-balance in mind. When no more than 1 android is needed they won't put up the dough.
2. They're in space. Where can they possibly go?
3. The dish might not have been on the same frequency. Also, Ridley thought it looked cooler this way, and it does.
4. It was obviously a recording of Shaw's flight to the planet. NOT when she had already landed.
5. Space is a vacuum so radio signals can travel a zillion miles if they have to.
6. It's Ridley's movie so he decides how many are going down.
7. As seen in previous shots, the storm was covering nearly the entire planet.
8. they didn't know all of that when they landed. Those scenes came afterwards.
9. The terrain wasn't proper at all for a landing. It was all mountains and rocks. To avoid any damage to the ship, landing on water is safer.
10. WTF! They landed and then opened the door.
11. Ridley has a limited amount of time for what he can show in 2 hours. The spacesuits weren't needed because there was gravity similar to earth's and atmosphere.
12. So? I wouldn't want it to be closed if some monster popped up.
13. I'm not even going to start with this one.
14. What an asshole, I would try save the guy/girl as well.
15. Again, what a coward. She had a shotgun but was so freaked out she slipped.
16. Man...they did ricochet. And does he design space ships? MOST CERTAINLY NOT!
17. ...
18. I adressed this elsewhere. The comments they said were good enough for me.
19. It was obviously meant to be a kiss of death, like Judas kissing Jesus. About the rest, see my latest thread.
20. This guy is gold. It was so obviously NOT done with an electric razor.
21. Remember Holloway's line 'I guess they make you guys pretty close.'
22. He didn't create the black goo, but merely experimented with it. Was that not obvious.
23. What the hell, I mean is this guy serious?
24. Well they did so deal with it.
25. They were having trouble with broadcasting a clear signal. It's been shown at least two or three times. Again, I wouldn't take this guy with me into space.
26. He wanted to have an explanation first before shooting anyone. Can't believe this guy.
27. Walter assured him that it was safe and quite wonderfull. IF HE DIDN'T THERE WOULDN't BE ANY ALIEN IN THE FILM!!!!
28. Do I really have to go on? HE doesn't even know what he's talking about.
29. DAVID'S THE ONE ON HIS 'HOME TURF'
30. Why not? They had a discussion about it and took the risk anyways. I'ts called being brave.
31. Obviously it wasn't designed to be swift and agile.
32. pffff
33. Because they have an exoskeleton as tough as nails.
34. Did he even see the first film?
35. They thought it was safe. Daniels was even making breakfast one scene back.
36. Yeah, and ruin one of the best plot twists in the entire movie.

@colonial soldier, did you even read any of this before posting. You're gonna have to do a lot better than this!

Oh well, haters gonna hate...

And it's 'good riddens' Conners...

Phallic Jaw

May-20-2017 5:39 PM

Lol.  No, Snake, there is no such thing as Good Riddens.  It is indeed Good Riddance.  

#36 no, the plot twist was ruined when the WRITERS MADE IT ENTIRELY PREDICATABLE!!! Borrrrinnggg!!!

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.  I watched Androids blow and finger each other's flutes.

Snake

May-20-2017 5:42 PM

Ok, fair enough...

It's not my native tongue. 

Phallic Jaw

May-20-2017 5:45 PM

Huh.  What IS your native tongue then?  Proto-Indo-European? ;-). Tell us what that one UnEngineer on UnParadise said!  I'd finger my brothers flute to know!

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.  I watched Androids blow and finger each other's flutes.

Snake

May-20-2017 5:48 PM

Dutch. Don't know man...

Phallic Jaw

May-20-2017 5:51 PM

Dutch?  Ah cool.

I was just kidding, man. :-)

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.  I watched Androids blow and finger each other's flutes.

Snake

May-20-2017 5:53 PM

Well, Flemish actually. It's a sort of dialect and not as goofy sounding as Dutch.

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