Alien: Covenant News ArticleLatest Alien: Covenant News Headline:
Alien: Covenant Japan Box Office Numbers
Log in to unlock your profile!
Alien: Covenant

Alien: Covenant - Prometheus sequel by Ridley Scott

Alien: Covenant

The Alien: Covenant & Prometheus Movie Community

Xenomorph spikes

dk

Member

229

Posted Mar-17-2017 6:04 PM

It has been said that the spikes or tubes on the xeno back are used to tear through the victim to be birthed- at least for the Deacon. They aren't seen on the chestburster but they are on the grown xeno. Thoughts?

 

Replies

Grinning & Dropping Linen

Member

8

Posted Mar-17-2017 6:07 PM

The tubes on the original adult  xeno are for breathing, I've read that from a few different sources over the years

BigDave

Moderator

267

Posted Mar-17-2017 6:43 PM

We would have to wonder how does the Chest Buster Breath, and Deacon if that was the case...

Not saying its not the case, we have heard many theories over the years which include this is where they secret the Material to Make the Hives and Cocoon Hosts...

I really do hope we get a explanation for their purpose down the line, in the mean time its fun to speculate and indeed the closest we have to these as far as Organisms on Earth would point to some kind of Respiratory aid.  For example like  Spiracles

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

S.M

Member

0

Posted Mar-17-2017 7:10 PM

The tubes - design wise - are to break up the human shape to make it look less like a man in a suit.  Giger didn't like them, hence the absence from the Alien3 designs.

As for what they're for - they've never been given a defined purpose.  The 'breathing' thing is a popular myth.

ninXeno426

Member

189

Posted Mar-17-2017 11:45 PM

I've been wondering this for years(nearly 27 lol)I don't know their exact purpose.

Would you Kindly?

ali81

Member

30

Posted Mar-17-2017 11:51 PM

I hadn't heard the breathing theory, the only theory id heard of was they use them to excrete the resin to construct the hive and cocoons, which makes sense. when we see the first signs of a xeno it is usually a gooey substance on the floor that most dip their fingers in. now, im assuming this is drool. if the xeno used the drool from their mouth as the substance for the hive etc, it would stand to reason it wouldn't be gooey when the humans come across it, as the substance would need to harden pretty quickly to cocoon a human.

S.M

Member

0

Posted Mar-18-2017 1:04 AM

Resin spinarets is another popular but ultimately unsubstantiated theory (one that I quite like until you hit a wall called Alien 3)..

ninXeno426

Member

189

Posted Mar-18-2017 1:08 AM

Indeed S.M. Could they possibly be related to the creation of a hive and cocooning?

Would you Kindly?

ali81

Member

30

Posted Mar-18-2017 1:18 AM

think that's the theory I mentioned

ninXeno426

Member

189

Posted Mar-18-2017 1:20 AM

Oh,sorry S.M. I should have read a little closer 

Would you Kindly?

ali81

Member

30

Posted Mar-18-2017 1:26 AM

I believe one of the unproduced alien3 scripts depicted this theory and if in not mistaken, it may have appeared in comics aswell?

SenseOfDoubt

Member

1

Posted Mar-18-2017 2:51 AM

We need a movie with a Xeno autopsy ;)

BigDave

Moderator

267

Posted Mar-18-2017 2:59 AM

"As for what they're for - they've never been given a defined purpose.  The 'breathing' thing is a popular myth."

Indeed i think as you mentioned to both those theories.. they do conflict as far as Alien 3 goes..  which leads to two problems.

1) If they are for breathing then why does the Alien 3 Organism lack them.... why should the Runner be much different Biologically?

The only conclusion would be some how the Runner having Face Hugged its Victim on a World/Prison that has a inhabitable atmosphere does not need those breathing Tubes.

2) The Resin idea... again we have to wonder what is the purpose of the Runner, i assume the Franchise was all about showing these Organisms had a prime reason for its survival and this was procreation....   we have to ask what purpose does a Drone from Alien have regarding how it would connect to the differences in Aliens...  surely it is some kind of Scout but what the point if there is nothing to Scout back to... its not going to get back to other Eggs and say "right guys i found a perfect set of Hosts to build a colony"

It had to play a more direct role, and purpose for why it had those Pipes/Spiracles and so we again have to ask why does the Alien 3 Runner not have them...... does this mean the Runner in no way can set up a Hive, Create those Resin like Structures and Cocoons? or even Egg Morph?

We have to REMEMBER the Queen also lacks any Pipes/Spiracles so a logical explanation is they are aquired by a Human Host... but then we have to wonder where did a Queen come from? 

Because Again Alien 3 shows us a Queen Embryo Gestates in a Human Host (or other Host) If it was not for Alien 3 then we could safely speculate that a Queen is created by some other means that is not via Face Hugger or indeed not from the Eggs on the Derelict... but alas....

I Wander if the 10 page Rule book on the Xenomorph etc, will explain the use of those Pipes/Spiracles and another thing to remember is what if Fox/Ridley decide that Blomkamps idea to remake a alternative sequel to Aliens is a good idea?

They could make another movie that replaces Alien 3 and Alien R to get away from those inconsistencies or explain them...  but this would be speculation at the moment.

But i do think a Alien 5 will happen 100% for sure, i cant say it will be Blomkamps but it could use some of his ideas, and certainly we would see a movie that in the Time-frame is set after Aliens.

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

Gavin

Admin

347

Posted Mar-18-2017 3:42 AM

@ S.M., Giger had nothing to do with the design for the Alien in Alien 3, as ADI developed their designs for the Bambi and Runner Alien without his input, even going so far to ignore any and all of Giger's suggestions. Though ironically Giger did create separately a similar design with the Cougar Alien. Also as depicted in Necronomicon IV, the dorsal tubes were Giger's idea...

However, you do bring up a good point that Alien 3 does upset the two leading theories for the Aliens 4 dorsal tubes. Personally, I have always believed that the Aliens breathe and secrete their resin from their mouths.

A possible use for the tubes could be temperature control, with most breeds needing to vent body heat due to the lack of pores from possessing and exoskeleton. With the Runner Alien being much more fleshier than its precursors, it may have genetically acquired pores, bypassing the need for the dorsal tubes.

But remember that most Alien breeds also possess a fifth dorsal appendage, located just behind the head on the creatures spine, above the dorsal tubes. This dorsal "fin" could be used for anything.

ali81

Member

30

Posted Mar-18-2017 3:56 AM

the bio mechanical structure of the sprinter should be the same regardless of host no? whether its bipedal or a quadruped and over all shape of the xeno r traits taken from the host but id assume the over all organic/ bio mechanical structure of the creature should remain the same as the face hugger is the same type that spawned the bio mechanical xeno in aliens

Phallic Jaw

Member

22

Posted Mar-18-2017 4:54 AM

The tubes mean nothing.  Just a drawing by Giger, pre-Alien. With the greatest respect some people think too much.

As for the Deacon - although I need to see the movie again (although I have seen it so many times that I SHOULD know this lol) - I thought it used it's pointed head to tear through the Engineer, and not spikes on its back which I don't recall it having.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.  I watched Androids blow and finger each other's flutes.

Grinning & Dropping Linen

Member

8

Posted Mar-18-2017 7:32 AM

Yes you are correct, The Deacon tore out of  victim body with pointy head and has no back venting. If they aren't for respiration I like the idea above that they are for temp control due to the exo skeleton , that makes sense as well as the possibility of respiration, biologically speaking

Parkerparrot

Member

0

Posted Mar-18-2017 9:11 AM

Big Dave! The Queen have tubes/spikes, they are just different. 

             "Bees have hives, man " 

 

              "Bees have hives, man" 

Lone

Member

73

Posted Mar-18-2017 9:52 AM

The Chestburster breathes through little 'gills', which you can clearly see in action as it looks around at the crew.

The multifunction tubes and spikes could also be for balance, the MORB's elongated cranium would cause difficulty in remaining upright were it not for the tubes, plus the tail?

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Deep Space

Member

27

Posted Mar-18-2017 12:29 PM

I always thought they were possibly a throw back to earlier DNA - in that perhaps a creature used along the way had defensive spikes on its back that became what we see in ALIEN.

Phallic Jaw Yes, you're right but the fun is in speculating, surely? :) 

I find it interesting now because to make this whole thing work and back into ALIEN, little details like this are probably going to need to be explained; especially if we see David create or recreate the Xeno (God, I hope it's the latter).

Starlogger

Moderator

44

Posted Mar-18-2017 1:01 PM

Giger designed the tubes AND neck spike. They belong there. It IS part of the original Xeno. What they're for? Who knows?

ANY Alien movie depicting a "classic" Xeno without said tubes and spike is an abomination and one that I do not consider "canon", and neither would RS or Giger, the HORRIFIC CGI apparently birthed by a kindergartner graphic design student in Alien 3 notwithstanding.

S.M

Member

0

Posted Mar-18-2017 1:37 PM

"@ S.M., Giger had nothing to do with the design for the Alien in Alien 3, as ADI developed their designs for the Bambi and Runner Alien without his input, even going so far to ignore any and all of Giger's suggestions. Though ironically Giger did create separately a similar design with the Cougar Alien. Also as depicted in Necronomicon IV, the dorsal tubes were Giger's idea..."

The tubes were included at Ridley's insistence. Giger was doing designs for the film without them. Necronom IV was merely the starting point.

As for Alien3 - he was contracted to provide designs for the film, which he did, which look a lot like what ended up on screen and was ultimately credited as such - despite ADI providing final design and execution.

BigDave

Moderator

267

Posted Mar-18-2017 2:17 PM

Some interesting ideas and explanations here...

But i guess as Phallic Jaw mentions they are ultimately part of the Aesthetic HR Giger design which we have seen similar appendages in other pieces of art and only HR Giger would know if they was just a design Aesthetic or if he visioned they had any purpose.

It would be interesting if we are shown what their purpose is down the line even if its a Alien Anatomy Book released at some point in the future, but its fun to speculate their purposes.

@Parkerparrot

Indeed the Queen has spikes but it does not have the Tubes and so if they was to have a purpose i dont think they have the same purpose.

I would think the Queens Spikes are for attaching to a surface to help provide support while the Queen has her Egg Sack or some purpose to counter balance her for this purpose.

Some other theories are these could have been Wings or could change to Wings..

 

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

S.M

Member

0

Posted Mar-18-2017 8:00 PM

"Giger designed the tubes AND neck spike. They belong there. It IS part of the original Xeno. What they're for? Who knows?

ANY Alien movie depicting a "classic" Xeno without said tubes and spike is an abomination and one that I do not consider "canon", and neither would RS or Giger, the HORRIFIC CGI apparently birthed by a kindergartner graphic design student in Alien 3 notwithstanding."

Not following the logic.  The Alien 3 creature was apparently "birthed by a kindergartner graphic design student" (which is a new one since it's generally either a dog or ox), yet it's much the same as the creature Giger ultimately designed.

So Giger's design is at a level of a kindergartner graphic design student?

And the Alien wasn't CGI.

 

Gavin

Admin

347

Posted Mar-18-2017 9:59 PM

S.M.'s right the scenes in Alien 3 which are commonly misinterpreted as CGI were in actuality created using Rod Puppetry (same technique was used to create the Deacon in Prometheus) and Blue Screen, and unlike most movies in which a second unit director is usually in charge of such visual effect shots, these scenes were directed by David Fincher himself.

The scenes in question are the Aliens original birth from an Ox, the infamous scene depicted on most posters and DVD covers, and finally when the creature is running around the corridors of the Furnace towards the movie's end. The movement and speed of the creature in these shots are unnervingly alien and a welcome addition to the franchise and IMO should have been used throughout the movie, but unfortunately, Tom Woodruff Jr. insisted on suiting up for the other scenes - almost creating the impression that there are two Aliens in the movie. 

 

S.M

Member

0

Posted Mar-19-2017 1:08 AM

The ox birth burster was going to be a live action puppet before it was dropped and ended up as CG on the restored Assembly.

The puppet suffered from dodgy compositing and wouldn't have worked for close ups.

Gavin

Admin

347

Posted Mar-19-2017 1:51 AM

A larger scale live action rod puppet would have been more than suitable for the close ups, as James Cameron proved in Aliens with the Queen.

S.M

Member

0

Posted Mar-19-2017 2:02 AM

The Queen was a combination of effects - one of which was guys in a suit like Woodruff. I don't believe any were rod puppetry.

Gavin

Admin

347

Posted Mar-19-2017 3:04 AM

The Queen Alien was suspended from a crane with two suit actors portraying the Queens for arms, and extra technicians off camera operating the feet via rods and the mouth via animatronics. A similar, though simpler technique could have been used to realize the Runner alien in the mid to close up shots for Alien 3, but because of the film's many production woes and Woodruff's insistence to don the suit, it is no surprise that this never happened.

Parkerparrot

Member

0

Posted Mar-19-2017 6:48 AM

There was actually a Alien queen puppet in Aliens. The fightscene between Ripley and the Queen in the cargobay was shot extensively with puppets/models.

 

 

          " Bees have hives, man " 

              "Bees have hives, man" 

S.M

Member

0

Posted Mar-19-2017 12:29 PM

"A similar, though simpler technique could have been used to realize the Runner alien in the mid to close up shots for Alien 3, but because of the film's many production woes and Woodruff's insistence to don the suit, it is no surprise that this never happened."

It's nothing to do with production woes; it's what was planned from the outset.  A puppet might've worked for close ups, but since you never see the full scale Alien below the chest, you'd have to wonder what's the point?  It doesn't make much sense economically to make a puppet where you have to construct animatronic arms and hands when you can have someone n a suit to achieve the same affect.

Sign in to add a reply to this topic!

Alien: Covenant Community Stats

Members Registered: 34,917

Alien: Covenant Fans Recently Online: 85

Welcome to the Alien: Covenant fan website & forum! Don't be a lurker, consider joining our community of like-minded Alien & Prometheus fans. By signing up you can comment on news articles, start your own forum topics, upload images and even win cool prizes! Over 34,917 fans have already signed up!

About Alien: Covenant

Alien: Covenant Movie

Release Date:

May 19th, 2017

Plot Synopsis:

Ridley Scott returns to the universe he created in ALIEN with ALIEN: COVENANT, the second chapter in a prequel trilogy that began with PROMETHEUS -- and connects directly to Scott’s 1979 seminal work of science fiction. Bound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition.

Latest Alien: Covenant Forum Topics

Alien Covenant Fun

2 Replies, Last Post: 2017-09-19 17:37:34

Weyland-Yutani Knew...

9 Replies, Last Post: 2017-09-20 01:57:36

Space Robot - Meant for a 2021 Space Mission...

0 Replies, Last Post: 2017-09-19 15:43:14

Dan O'Bannon, what would HE think of it all?

1 Replies, Last Post: 2017-09-19 12:52:11

A Book with David's Drawings Is Coming

8 Replies, Last Post: 2017-09-19 15:35:30

Alien: Covenant fan art by Jun Seong Park

4 Replies, Last Post: 2017-09-19 08:37:29

Latest Alien: Covenant Images

Neomorph proof of concept head

Neomorph proof of concept head

Jun-15-2017 7:57 AM
0 Comments

Neomorph proof of concept head

Neomorph proof of concept head

Jun-15-2017 7:57 AM
0 Comments

Neomorph proof of concept head

Neomorph proof of concept head

Jun-15-2017 7:56 AM
0 Comments

Neomorph

Neomorph

Jun-10-2017 8:06 PM
0 Comments

ALIEN: COVENANT will act as a sequel to 2012's PROMETHEUS as well as a prequel to 1979's ALIEN. Alien fans looking to know more about ALIEN: COVENANT as well as when its first trailer is set to debut, should check back often. Alien-Covenant.com is an information resource for film enthusiasts looking to learn more about the upcoming blockbuster Alien: Covenant. Providing the latest official and accurate information on Alien: Covenant, this website contains links to every set video, viral video, commercial, trailer, poster, movie still and screenshot available. This site is an extension of the Alien & Predator Fandom on Scified - a central hub for fans of Alien and Prometheus looking to stay up-to-date on the latest news. Images used are property of their respective owners. Alien: Covenant and its associated names, logos and images are property of 20th Century Fox and are in no way owned by Scified and its related entities. This is a fan-created website for the purpose of informing and exciting fans for Alien: Covenant's release. If you have any questions about this site, its content or the Scified Network in general, feel free to contact Scified directly.

Your account has not yet been verified. Please check your email for the verification link to begin posting.

Please review our rules before sharing content

Use Your E-Mail:


Password:


Stay Logged In

Content Policies & Legal Disclaimers