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Xeno tail wrapped around a leg in Alien and AC

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dk

Jan-11-2017 8:42 PM

The Xeno tail clearly suggests a phallus in Alien and the AC trailer- especially the deleted scene with Lambert in Alien. Can it be refuted that the Xeno could impregnate a human female with its tail?

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ninXeno426

Jan-11-2017 8:52 PM

Your not the first one to have brought this up dk.I discussed this with someone else about the possibilities of alien rape.Its an interesting idea that an alien could impregnate some one with its tail(i kind of thought it was more spear shaped though).

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

dk

Jan-11-2017 8:59 PM

@ninXeno426

I didn't see that discussion. I thought a bit about how a scorpion delivers poison through its tail and maybe the xeno would be similar except it would be alien sperm.

ninXeno426

Jan-11-2017 9:03 PM

I can say that it wasn't really discussed that way.Alien sperm ejected from the tail is certainly a new idea.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

ninXeno426

Jan-11-2017 9:24 PM

I wonder would the sperm have acidic properties or would it be more like black goo

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

S.M

Jan-11-2017 9:27 PM

They have facehuggers to handle that side of things.

Cameron originally had Gorman stung by an Alien tail before it got changed to some boxes bonking him on the head.

Brett was originally stabbed in the back with the Aliens tail (hence the shot of his feet being used during the Lambert scene - which it seems Covenant is paying homage to).  The remnants of the tail between his legs is glimpsed very briefly in the final film just after it bites him in the head.

ninXeno426

Jan-11-2017 9:35 PM

Could be something new

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

dk

Jan-11-2017 9:48 PM

I would think it would be a form of the black goo. The tail itself could serve both purposes as weapon and reproductive organ. It may suggest a male xeno but we couldn't really be sure since it is alien and therefore grants artistic license and an excuse in case fans call fowl.

ninXeno426

Jan-11-2017 9:52 PM

 Good point lol

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

ali81

Jan-11-2017 10:42 PM

yeah I touched on this on another thread and quite interesting the convo that started. tho never touched on the imrgenating aspect, as SM says they have the facehugger for that stage in theyr life cycle but before that stage, who impregnates the queen? I suggested there were some but very few males as an possible theory within the aliens but theyr only needed for reproduction and they die off pretty soon. like ants, the males r small and pretty useless and only required for fertilising the queen. in the alien movie, while the xeno is doing whatever it is doing with lambert we can hear what I can only describe as a sadistic 'laugh' over the intercom before lambert screams. if u listen to the trailor for AC, the xeno makes a noise that hasn't been heard before. my guess is that the alien has sinister/curious motives here about the naked woman, as the tail obv passes the guy as its not interested in him. to me the xeno comes into shot behind the guy but the tail scene shows its clearly focusing on the woman plus the man dies so the alien may have some form of basic natural instinct which helps it tell the difference between males and females, suggesting that at an early stage there may be male xenos looking to mate with the queen  

S.M

Jan-11-2017 11:18 PM

"who impregnates the queen?"

The Queen doesn't need to be impregnated. Women produce eggs without being 'impreganted'.  Same with the Queen Alien.  However instead of sperm meeting egg internally as with humans, the process is twisted with Aliens so the egg produces the 'fertiliser' (so to speak; ie the hugger) instead of being fertilised.

The hugger fertilises the host, and the next generation is produced.

ali81

Jan-11-2017 11:48 PM

it would stand to reason that ridley has used forms of reference from animals in our natural environment to base certain aspects of the xeno life cycle on, what im curious about is that for any life form to give birth, wether it be mammal producing a live offspring, a bird laying eggs or even plant life reproducing, there is a form of fertilization at the very beginging. the queen lays eggs which have a life form inside, regardless of the huggers use, it is a living creature in itself. so either the queen is able to self fertilise as the xeno has both male and female reproductive organs or is born already fertilized. there has to be a form of fertilization at a stage prior to the queen laying the egg. ok, I get wer talking about an alien creature here, but if some theories r true and the xeno is actually an ancient creature discovered by the engineers at some point, then they will most likely follow some form of natural rules. I may be wrong, but I believe nature doesn't allow a species to self fertilize. I know many animals have bothe male and female parts/organs, but I havnt heard of these animals impregnating themselves. these instances r for surroundings and circumstance such as some frogs can change theyr sex depending on the environment i.e, more males in relation to females r present. even plants have both but cannot self fertilize. its a form of failsafe in nature. for example, is u have a genetic defect and u can self fertilize, u WILL pass that defect on and if its an infection on a large scale, the species will suffer, yet if u mate with someone else then those chances r lowered. the egg/facehugger is one stage in the alien life cycle but yet it is a life form itself and has to come from somewhere. basically I mean unless something fertilizes the egg at some stage, all would be is an empty husk with no hugger inside

S.M

Jan-12-2017 12:45 AM

Sperm are produced without a male being 'fertilised'.  The hugger has been described by O'Bannon as an ambulatory penis.  It delivers 'sperm' to the host.

As you said, it's an alien lifeform and has its own rules which are a bastardisation of our own.

ali81

Jan-12-2017 1:09 AM

true, but the scene with lambert and this insinuated scene in AC suggests some form of sexually sinister motive. if this is true then it would suggest my theory has grounds as if it isn't true that there is some form of mating between xenos/queen then why put the scene in? if the xeno couldn't distinguish between male and female (it is behind the male in the scene so the tail passes the guy which means its interested in her and not the male), which would suggest a form of gender within xenos, then it would just kill both the guy and the woman, it wouldn't 'appear' to caress her leg or strip lambert, no?

S.M

Jan-12-2017 1:26 AM

It may bypass the male - but the trailer also shows us the woman getting showered in blood; presumably his.

I'd be wary of assigning human characteristics to an Alien.  They either want hosts or want to kill.  Brett's death had the Alien sticking it's tail between his legs after all.

I'm assuming, of course, this IS an Alien in Covenant and not something different.  If that's the case, anything is possible.

ali81

Jan-12-2017 1:43 AM

u don't have to assign human characteristics to the alien to come up with this theory, its a theory based on nature and if the xeno is an ancient race, which has been theorised, and not engineered then it could follow such natural traits. doesn't have to be male and female but the theory of sexuality within the xeno species is what im saying is being suggested here, and if that's the case then its not far fetched to assume forms of mating,reproduction and fertilization within the species itself. I just feel that if this isn't the case then the lambert scene where the xeno goes to the conscious lengths to strip lambert and this suggestive scene in AC are completely pointless and without reason, surely the xeno (judging by the 'tail' design) wouldn't go to such bother and would just kill them. the design of the xeno by giger initially struck everyone as having strong sexual tones. o'bannons whole idea behind starbeast is about interspecies rape and true we have the facehugger. even in later sequals talk was about ripley mating with a xeno as weaver herself has discussed so I think theres something ridley is maybe trying to get across about the alien, maybe???? I could be wrong and im big enough to admit that but sinces aliens iv always wondered if the queen and hive concept Cameron had was based on animals such as ants or bees

Neomorph

Jan-12-2017 1:44 AM

I see the tail thing as a stealthy approach to snatch the unsuspecting victim from behind.

And at the same time a little H.R Giger standard sexual implication of course.

ali81

Jan-12-2017 1:54 AM

its rubbing her leg (and makes a sound I haven't heard before), or it appears that way, but the alien is behind the male. im guessing he is grabbed and killed from behind and she is facing it naked and bloody. im just theorising theres something more to the actual xeno in this manner than wev already been told. the whole trailor scene, put together with lamberts death is very suggestive

Neomorph

Jan-12-2017 2:01 AM

It could also simply be a nod to Alien how boring it may sound. 

Btw who is the male actor in the shower? I've heard different opinions.

ali81

Jan-12-2017 2:04 AM

I thought that and posted my question a few days ago. Im not sure as I havnt figure out who is who yet

ali81

Jan-12-2017 2:06 AM

and yeah that is partly what im trying to get at, if that is all the scene is based on then its pretty lame. it would make for a more interesting story to have something else motivating the lambert and shower scene wouldn't u say?

Neomorph

Jan-12-2017 2:25 AM

Yeah I could sort of see it given the fact that camera really liked to zoom in and focus in the xeno tail in Alien for some reason.

Weaver stated in the "making of Alien" from 2002 that "you never knew if it was going to kill you or f*** you" 

ali81

Jan-12-2017 2:40 AM

that's the point im getting at. a theory there is infact some form of gender/ sexuality/ reproduction within the xeno stage, whatever form it may take as although the hugger is a form of 'penal reproductive organ' for that stage in the life cycle, maybe the queen is impregnated at the earlier stage to produce the eggs. could be as wrong as I could be right, but the scenes suggest sexuality in a form, wether its brett as pointed out to me or lambert, the xeno to me is clearly 'curious' and if there is no such thing like I have suggested then those scenes make absolutely no sense and if its just for another form of killing it victim, which directors do, its been done before and isn't as interesting, IMO

BigDave

Jan-12-2017 2:52 AM

I am not so sure about if we would go the sexualized route... i know a lot of HE Gigers works were very sexual and perverted that included sex with Bio-Mechanical Beings, and Machinery.

Who knows... i would be willing to consider only the Aliens movies as a clue which Alien can be too... And i would assume the Sting on the Tail is merely a way to subdue a Host to be carried off so the Xenomorph can use it for its method of Procreation..

Simply the Tail is to Stun its victims.... but it also can be used in a more harsh manner to actually cause serious damage too.

 

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ali81

Jan-12-2017 3:02 AM

the tail being used like a stinger was done then dropped and would be good I think, id have preferred to have seen Gorman stung than just knocked out by boxes. im sure if ridley is going to go down a more indepth 'giger' toned route then hel reveal a bit more in the film and hopefully not just pay homage to the lambert death scene.

Tiwaz

Jan-12-2017 8:19 AM

Maybe the "tail between legs" scenes are just that, suggestive. To play with viewers minds. Deep within we're all little "dirtbags". ;)

In regards to "eggs and sperm" I don't know. There's a reason why nature invented genders, it's called diversity. Wich makes species more resistant and leads to evolution through mutation.

However, following Jon Spaiths script the xenos are a engineered species. Question is if the "laws" of nature fully apply to them. Their sole purpose is to kill.

But what is a sperm? In human terms it's single cell organism with a long tail with only one task, find an ovum (egg) and merge with it. By doing so it vanishes, kinda dying leaving its DNA with the ovum. Sounds utterly like a facehugger, no?

What if the facehugger is an pevertly overized sperm cell and the host is the ovum? But what would that make the queen? A king who poops out his testicles? The ovopositor is actually penis?  I can hear ya shouting "BLASPHEMY!" already. ;P

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Deep Space

Jan-12-2017 12:25 PM

But what would that make the queen? A king who poops out his testicles?

Well, yeah kind of ;)

As SM says, within the realms of the alien universe I don't think we can view them by our standards unless seen as 'bastardised' ones.  

My feeling was the tail in ALIEN was not actually doing anything to Lambert or Brett other than majorly creeping them out.  I like the idea of a stinger though.  I think the sexual tone was inferred to play with the audience as suggested above and probably inspired by the Giger themes.

chli

Jan-12-2017 12:41 PM

To new audiences it’s just horror, I suppose. To us who loved the original film it’s of course a reminder of the tail sneaking behind the terrified Lambert. I see/saw the tail just as a means for the beast to grab the paralyzed (of fear) victim and pull it towards its jaws or claws . . .

S.M

Jan-12-2017 12:47 PM

"u don't have to assign human characteristics to the alien to come up with this theory, its a theory based on nature and if the xeno is an ancient race, which has been theorised, and not engineered then it could follow such natural traits. "

The natural traits of an Alien involve facehugger implants host = Alien. They don't go around impregnating anyone with their tail.

"What if the facehugger is an pevertly overized sperm cell and the host is the ovum?"

That's more or less, the case.

Neomorph

Jan-12-2017 12:55 PM

The "American" xeno's tails could impale their victims, because f*** yeah I guess. 

Ol' Big Chap was a rather more sophisticated fellow. 

chli

Jan-12-2017 12:56 PM

Interesting if the xeno would be an old race, S.M (which is suggested by the mural) and not engineered. It would then be like in Jurassic Park - waking up a dinosaur with primordial instincts.  

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