Questions- what must be answered and what can you live without?
Posted Jan-10-2017 11:23 PM
I would be ok not getting too deep into who created the Engineers and how and why because that could go on forever. I need to know about the Engineers and how the beast got created. I am interested in all answers but understand that it isn't possible. It is also good to leave some things ambiguous. What does the Scified collective have to say?
Posted Jan-11-2017 5:12 PM
We have two ways it can go....
some was not happy with where Prometheus was taking us.. and wanted a Xeno movie... some went in and found Prometheus and the way it was going to be interesting.
I worry now they have tried to please both fans, by scaling back and avoiding much of Shaw and what happened between when they arrived at Paradise to when the Covenant arrived... never mind prior to when David and Shaw arrived.
While also giving us more Xeno clues.. but i bet wont give us the answers at all... we wont have a straight up "this is how the Eggs are created" or this is how the Xeno starts before it evolves to Alien...
It will tone down those Mysteries about the Engineers, it will bring in the Xeno more than Prometheus but wont be a Spaights kind of Prequel..
It could please both sets of fans... or disappoint both.
I think FOX will gauge the reaction and the reactions of which set of fans would bring in greater $$$$$ is where a sequel would touch upon more..
Thats my take anyway.
I do like Apple Pie, hope to share some on my Birthday in May!
Posted Jan-11-2017 5:16 PM
I think the kind of movie they are showing is where they should have started.... i.e a cross between Spaights and Lindeloffs... hide a bit of the Gods.... bring in a bit more of the Dragons..
I think they will tease both.... but then leave it open to go and bring more Xeno... or cover more Engineers next time around...
I think they need to try and shut up shop with the Engineers, and cater in for Alien..... a movie that shows the Xeno more.. and sequels feels more a Alien movie..
But in the end.. when no answers are given... they finally answer in a way the Alien Eggs and Space Jockey... and dont spoon feed it but ULTIMATELY show us its connected to the Engineers and what ever War was going on and LV-223.
Which then ties in the timeline... but leaves the Space Jockey being shown to be thousands of years old..
Which they can then choose... or choose not to... show us the events which would then need a set of movies set away from Earth and more into the past.... 2000 years or so..
At least i hope so..
I do like Apple Pie, hope to share some on my Birthday in May!
Posted Jan-11-2017 5:44 PM
The answers I REALLY want are:
1: What did Shaw find
2: What happens to her?
3: Is David evil?
4: where does the Xeno fit in to all of this?
Questions I am not NEEDING answered, but am interested in
1: What happened in the Engineer civil war?
2: Who or what created the Xenos?
3: Where was the Derelict supposed to end up?
Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!
Posted Jan-11-2017 8:02 PM
Need to know:
-What pissed off the Engineers so badly that they wanted to wipe us out? Not explained in Prometheus. Totally not cool.
- What happened to the planet in AC and possibly who did it? Shaw? David?
- David's intentions? He must have an agenda, or else everything leading up to the end of the film/s would've been in vain. What does he want/ordered to do by "the company"?
- How did the proto xeno come about? And possibly when?
- WTF is the black stuff really other than "whatever it needs to be"? At least give us a hint no matter how vague it is. Weapon but also super growth enhancement?
- What happened to Shaw?
Good to know but can be kept a mystery:
- Did Weyland-Yutani know about the outbreak on the planet just to watch the effect on the colonists?
- Xeno eggs, who/what created/sprouted them? Effect of the contaminated eco system or biological experiment?
- Who was flying the juggernaut at the end of Prometheus? Shaw in that humongous seat or did she stitch up David super quickly?
- Deacon. Shaw and David left LV 223, period. Sorry to be blunt but I don't see any reason whatsoever to revisit LV-223, just like Shaw stated herself in her closing log. The Deacon should've been cut out of Prometheus imo, it didn't serve a purpose in the "narrative" other than ambiguity device No.17
Posted Jan-13-2017 8:41 AM
There is providing answers, and then there is spoonfeeding answers. I fear many people that aren't too much into the franchise mean the later when they say the former.
Whatever "answers" they decide to give, I just want them to be cryptic and open to analysis and interpretation. I want them to give us reasons to keep coming back to these movies. Think of Kubrick's The Shining, or Blair Witch, or Neon Genesis Evangelion, or hell, the Five Nights at Freddy's games, they all prevailed because they got audiences' interest, instead of being a one-time deal that you don't need to revisit or even remember.
Just don't spell out everything through exposition or wathever, let audiences use their imagination and make them wonder. Think of what they need rather than what they think they want.
Personally, I hope they don't actually explain how the original aliens came to be. We don't need to know, they are scary that way. It was enough to imply that they originate from a mysteryous black liquid that can create very varied monsters depending on what it touches. Just leave the original aliens be a mystery and go wild with the black goo instead.
Posted Jan-13-2017 10:01 AM
I see the question rather differently. I have hopes for Covenant which I believe will be fulfilled.
Prometheus in musical terms was the overture which set up three themes:-
Rebellion through misuse (and probably theft).
David is the straight line into Covenant and he has learned about these three themes and how they brought about the circumstances of LV 223 and why the Prometheus mission failed.
My hope is in his dealings with
That his behaviour will be consistent with that understanding and everything he does in the ten years and on the Covenants arrival will make clearer what he learnt on LV 223.
To continue the musical analogy the instrument he will play to fulfil those motifs is the Mutagen contained in the four pack Vials.
Out of this (my hope) is he will make the same music as appeared on LV 223 in the mural, with the Hammerpedes, with Fifield and with the chain reaction that created the Deacon.
The mutagen will continue to be the key that unlocks the third strand, punishment and it will be perfected during Covenant.
The big question for David from Daniels will be how did this mutagen come about and the answer takes the narrative to the next level and the first two themes Sacrifice and theft.
To understand those two themes we need context, the morality of the mythos, the vision of the creators and their view of mortality and immortality. I hope we will receive hints and allusions about the creators purpose their relationship with this higher species, not Gods, the Engineers (the Einherjar) their sacrificial role and the Provision of Paradise (Valhalla) through terraforming for them.
This latter part does not need, for me, to be heavy exposition, but is achieved through allusions, imagery and through connecting up the dots ourselves and of course Michaels mesmerising performance as narrator.
What will be interesting to see is if the mission of the Covenant, can it be benign withe W-Y the sponsor, in a small way refracts the same thinking that the Engineers pursued on Paradise ; echoing Prometheus where Peter Weyland made the same Promethean error as the Engineers on LV 223.
Posted Jan-14-2017 8:32 AM
Not fussed about where the Alien came from. More interested in seeing where Shaw's question takes us.
Yeah, I think what finding out what Shaw wants (why they made us and why they wanted to kill us) will hopefully go some way to answering lots of other questions.
In that way answers could be vague or specific. I think i'd like a bit of both but as long as by the time we back into Alien I have those answers then I think I'd be happy.
There are some 'details' if you will that I would like to know about but, again, if I don't get concrete answers but can sort of guess at by myself via clues etc then I'd be OK with that. Such as:
What is the black goo and where does it come from?
What is the meaning or symbolism, or whatever, in the cave paintings on Earth - if it wasn't an invitation what was it?
Has/did the 'agenda' of the Engineers changed and if so, why?
Who in the company knew about LV223 and LV426 prior to ALIEN?
Who sent the Nostromo to LV426 and who gave SO937?
Why did the derelict crash on LV426?
and last one, for fun ;)
What happened to Milburn's body? Seriously! Maybe I'm being a dunce but if I remember correctly it was left in the head room? Is it possible the Hammerpede laid an egg in him? If so, who knows what may have happened to it . . ;)
Posted Jan-15-2017 4:30 AM
DK, thanks for taking the time to put this post together.
I would like to see how the Xeno can be re-created, not how it was originally created. Maybe the Engineers created it first but David finds out how an alternative way to get that done. There are times when there are different ways to achieve the same thing. Some mystery shall remain after AC (I agree with Big Dave about this). Some about how the Engineers are connected to the Xeno could be interesting even though they shouldn’t give away the whole answer or even give us the whole answer after the Alien prequels are done. There are some things that should stay up to the imagination. How the Engineers are connected to the Space Jockey would be nice but they shouldn’t give us the whole answer.
There must be a way of leaving things a bit ambiguous while not making it a mess like Lindelof did. Remember that we didn’t know very much about the Xenos either after Alien (1979) but people seemed fine with that. After Alien, we knew that they were angry bastards but that was that and people seemed fine with that for a long time as far as I know but I wasn’t born when Alien was shown at the movie theaters for the first time.
Different monsters are what I am interested in mainly and then maybe tie the Engineers to that but explain the monster first. For me the monster is more interesting than the Engineers.
I don’t care about the religion connection, the Weyland company, or Shaw’s agenda/search for answers. Shaw’s agenda could have been somewhat interesting if they hadn’t screwed up the character but I won’t elaborate on it here. Just give me the answers in an intelligent way to the questions that I mentioned and I will be fine with that. They also need to get the characters right and not Lindelof them (making them dumb or uninteresting).
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