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Deacon as Proto-Xenomorph

Deacon as Proto-Xenomorph

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Molecular

Apr-01-2016 11:51 PM

At the end of Prometheus, we see what has been called the Deacon by Ridley, and this can be seen as a form of "proto-Xenomorph" containing elements of weaponized Engineer and Human DNA. Compared to the Xeno we saw in ALIEN, it is much smaller and in many ways not as biomechanical. Which got me thinking... what in the *hell* got thrown together to result in the Xeno we saw in ALIEN? Is it part machine? Does the Xeno have Engineer, Human, and... android DNA?

16 Responses to Deacon as Proto-Xenomorph

Ht27str

Apr-02-2016 5:32 PM

Hey HEY!! Stop poking around and wait for Alien: Covenant. All will be revealed. I feel like they should actually talk about race Hudson spoke of, the  Arcturion. Also, don't know if it's revelation, on a side not, does the Alien's green organs/insides and Predator green inside have any relation?

Chris

Apr-02-2016 8:16 PM

Poking around is half the fun of this process! I'm quite intrigued by this theory Molecular, you do have a point. The Alien seen in ALIEN certainly did feature more biomechanical traits, almost like a machine when compared to the Deacon.

Considering the going theory and possible major plot element which involves David playing a key role in the creation of new monsters - it is certainly possible that the Alien itself represents the the horrific aspects of all three "creations" - Engineer, Human and Android. 3 levels of creation, each a descendent and product of the last. The iconic Xenomorph could in fact be a metaphorical and quite literal combination of all three species - a side effect of "playing God", serving as a reminder of their transgressions and punishment for their lack of respect for creation and life itself.

Whether Ridley plans to go this deep with it or not has yet to be seen, but the connection is certainly there if you look hard enough.

Molecular

Apr-06-2016 8:26 PM

Thank you for the replies and feedback! Yeah, I always thought of David's interaction with Holloway as that "final straw" that on some unconscious level really tipped him over. I mean that look he gave Holloway before he dipped his finger in his drink- a mixture of genuine disappointment and anger- was so surprising because David is still very mechanical in his mannerisms. I think he will develop his own God complex and finally see a chance to wipe out his disrespectful masters once and for all, using a radically evolved form of Engineer tech like Chis alluded to.

Thoughts_Dreams

Apr-11-2016 7:51 AM

You can always wonder if the Deacon is the pure form of Xeno and which one that was first. To me it is not very important, I look at it as being two forms of the same monster.

BigDave

Dec-30-2016 7:24 PM

Cant believe i missed this Topic ;)

The Deacon has been explained before by myself and so i think many understand the Deacon is the Result of a Human/Xeno DNA Face Hugger and no Xeno DNA Face Hugger, which is why it has hands and feet like a Human, Enamel based teeth and was born with a Placenta and Umbilical cord and also looks like a smaller version of the Adult Stage.

As far as the TERM... Proto-Xeno which some on AVP dont like being branded about as far as the Xeno in AC..

Proto-morph that is.....

It depends how we use the Term... as Proto just means Predecessor or Precursor..... for that Reason the Early Homo-erectus and even earlier Apes are all Proto-Humans as far as Darwinism goes and even further back Amphibian and Fish.

So if the Xeno Traces its roots back to the Black Goo or a Creature that the Black Goo comes from... then any creature created from the Black Goo could be Proto...

But in a more literal sense its only right to refer to something as Proto if it is a direct descendant.... all life on Earth is connected... but i think if we look more at this image as far as linage..

Then the Deacon would only be Proto-Xeno if either a event related to its future history produces a evolutionary process to the Xenomorph..... then again if the Deacon is something that has been created before (Remember if we have Female Engineers and Black Goo in the past, it could have happened before). Then indeed it could be Proto-Xeno.

But Protomorph.....  can mean any kind of Form linked back to the Origin be that Black Goo or Creatures the Black Goo came from.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Dec-30-2016 7:26 PM

Lindeloff teased the Deacon was the Proto-Xeno.

The Source i had has suggested the Deacon has a lot of Evolutionary pathways to become a Xeno... and teased the Hammerpedes are more connected.

They also said that the P2 draft was to show the Xenomorph Re-Creation..... much like how the Deacon was maybe a Re-creation of the Mural and not that the Mural was a prophecy of the Deacon to come.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Shasta cyclone

Dec-30-2016 7:47 PM

I think the bio-mechanical look the xenomorph has is from the bio mechanical tools the engineers use ( bio suits and the juggernaut ships )

an engineer getting facehugged with there suit on or engineers egg morphed in a juggernaut ship and both are connected in the process to form the egg.

BigDave

Dec-30-2016 7:48 PM

@Molecular

I actually saw that video yesterday.... it touches upon what we have discussed on here before... and indeed my old posts from March 2012 on here i read that the Trailer seemed to tease at David evolving himself to become Part Synthetic/Organic and play the Pinichio Arc....  and he gets his Wish... but then ultimately he gets Face Hugged by Shaws Baby Squid Face Hugger the ultimate Hubris... play with Fire and get burnt.... use forbidden knowledge and tools to create Life with Shaw and then Upgrade yourself and as a consequence you now leave your self open to become Face Hugger Fodder..

This was a Logical way to explain it... if they was going for a Prometheus leads to Alien... Arc....  but again latter trailers put that theory to bed ;)

But then no soon as i saw the AC Synopsis where David was labeled as Synthetic (which we know unless you never saw Prometheus)  Then latter Fassbender will play David and also a Doppelganger made me think.... why not say TWO Robots... a doppelganger has to mean something different?  A Human likeness, a Replicant or a Synthetic Construct....

Fire and Stone used a  Synthetic Construct called Elden and they are part Synthetic and Organic and i feel there is every chance that Walter could be the same... it opens a dynamic as Walter would be closer to a Real Boy that David would ever be... in a Pinocchio Arc once again.

Again its too on the head though....

My Prometheus 2 draft i was working on a Synthetic Construct too...  Called Eve... a Female.. but after Fire and Stone i renamed her Freya (goddess of fertility) but was also considering Florence (blooming, flourishing, prosperous)

My draft would have eventually teased maybe She would bear the Origin of the Xeno.... but i would have had 2 other Plot devices that act as a potential too.. so reader never has a exact explanation...

A 3rd movie draft would have then used one of them to create a Xenomorph...

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Dec-30-2016 7:52 PM

@Shasta cyclone

Took the Words out of my Mouth.... ;)

My next point was to be that the Derelict was also Bio-Mechanical... its Aesthetic and Xenomorph and their Hives share the same look.... not by Coincidence surely?

Prometheus showed us the Juggernaught was more Mechanical and the Xeno related Organisms less Synthetic...

A unholy Merger of Juggernaught and Black Goo would maybe lead to the Bio-Mechanical Aesthetics of both. 

Or at least both the Xeno and Derelict must have evolved from something connected.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Xenowarrior1

Dec-30-2016 10:38 PM

A lot of theories being thrown around that the xeno from alien must have android heritage but xeno from alien predates Prometheus by 1000 or so years

 

Xenowarrior1

Dec-30-2016 10:45 PM

What if the xeno (cargo/eggs)  from alien where created from a perfected variation of the black too(maybe the original variation before being reworked by engineers) this was done by the space jockey which is the ultimate being( god) and was stolen and reworked by the engineers ( another faction who also stole the space jockeys technology( juggernaut etc). 

 

Xenowarrior1

Dec-30-2016 10:48 PM

Upon stealing the goo..the engineers planted one of the space jockeys eggs to infect him thus taking him out of the picture putting themselves as ultimate beings....leaving them to experiment with the goo ....creating us...biological weapons etc

Xenowarrior1

Dec-30-2016 11:14 PM

This all took place 2000 or so years ago...leaving the sj crashing into lv426 whilst the engineers refined the goo and technology whilst setting up base on Prometheus experimenting not realising what they had set upon themselves, whilst other engineers went about creating life across multiple worlds with another form of the black goo

BigDave

Dec-31-2016 12:09 AM

Indeed that could work.....

I think Theft is key here... and Re-verse Engineering and Wayne Haag hinted at this also.. but we dont know in context to what Theft...

Black Goo... or Sacrificial Go

Re-Engineer Derelicts? or Egg Bio-Weapon.

I was drawn to maybe the Hammerpedes lead to some Chest Buster?

How? well those Worms predate the Prometheus landing... and if Goo+ Worms = Hammepedes in 2093 they could do the same 2000 years ago.. or in 2000 years time.

Worm + Goo will always make Hammerpedes.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

A L I E N 4 2 6

Dec-31-2016 8:43 AM

The only hole in that theory is the space jockey. The new MU/TH/UR website confirms that the space jockey is an engineer 

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