BigDaveDeaconMember10324 XPMay-11-2012 10:37 AM
I would say that it could not...
David 8 is not really Biological....
But who knows what some of the Engineers (Fire) could do, maybe that could change David 8 from Synthetic Andriod Machine to Bio Mechanical Machine and in that case i would think the Xeno Embryo may then be able to grow inside him...
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David 1OvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 10:40 AM
That is a very nice question. In "Aliens" there seems to be no interest from the Queen about Bishop. Though that could have been somewhat cir***stantial.
I tend to believe that the Androids are not that sofisticated in order to harbour life in them. But who knows?
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]
MithraOvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 10:47 AM
I would say yes to it being able to survive after being mistakenly deposited in an android host (provided there was space in there) But "no" to it integrating some of it's features.
I say yes...because the normal reproductive parts are not required...Kane certainly didn't have them and seemed remarkably ok until it exited him (i.e. He had not had parts of him absorbed by the baby burster) so I feel that the thing develops it's early stage largely independently from it's host. Perhaps only using it as a safe place to start off and a source of food after bursting out to facilitate the large growth spurt.
I don't think the mechanical and electrical elements of David would be suitable or even have a mechanism for transfer...as they are not cellular (i.e. replicating cells that make a pre-planned design) but rather man made components.
Therefore I would GUESS...that once planted...it would either get to bursting stage healthy under it's own biology and burst out, or, if missing some form of biological protein, might burst out premature and be a bit stunted or just die after coming out.
The only other thought would be that the organism could scavenge off of material within the android and re-utilise it at molecular level, through some unknown process.
BTW...the last two big responses I put to threads, bombed out when I hit "add reply"...it's a real pain...any one else getting this?
BigDaveDeaconMember10324 XPMay-11-2012 10:50 AM
I am assuming that the Xeno Embyo needs a mother/host like a normal Emryo needs a Womb....
The Human and near enough every other Organism that has Embyo's require and get a lot of its genetics from being in the Womb etc...
A Human Embryo is pretty much identicle to every other Mamal, Fish and Bird etc etc at the first stage.
Lets assume that the Xenos implanted Embryo needs a living Organism in order to grow and take on genetics from that Organism (hence Dog Xeno, Pred Xeno etc).
If thats the case then i cant see a Andriod being able to offer anything to the Organism.
Does a Andriod contain DNA and Bio Elements..... not really but a Blade Runner Replicant does... and if somehow you cross the Engineers Technology and (Fire) with a Synthetic Andriod you may indeed create a Replicant Bio Andriod and thus that should be able to gestate a Xeno Embryo.
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BigDaveDeaconMember10324 XPMay-11-2012 10:54 AM
"BTW...the last two big responses I put to threads, bombed out when I hit "add reply"...it's a real pain...any one else getting this?
If you are making a big reply i would copy the txt onto a notepad or copy to clipboard before you hit reply.
I think the server kicks you off after a period on inactivity, i notice if i wrote massive essays and clicked reply it just took me to the log in screen.
So if you copy your txt first then you would not have lost your work.
I dont know how that can help if you work from a ipad/tablet or a Mobile/Cell Phone.
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DAVROS59OvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 10:54 AM
I would say ...no. In Alien3 the Alien knew Ripley was impregnated with a queen by "sniffing" her. I cant see a synthetic being able to support a biological parasite and help it grow.Also cant see a face hugger being unable to recognise a non biological form.
There, tuppence worth dispensed. : )
Ghost SolitareOvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 10:58 AM
Hopefully in the movie, Ridley will put to rest the question of does the embryonic form gestate from an implanted larval form or is it manufactured by the host's compromised metabolism. In response to your query I would say that no the organism wouldn't survive in an android host. I don't even think that it would be implanted, UTILIZED by the facehugger. IMO as they lack visual apparatus they must be capable of targetting their host through through a bioelectric signature as the space suit would render thermal imaging impossible under certain environmental conditions.
Constealltion88OvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 11:03 AM
I'm pretty sure that david couldn't be infected with any kinda chestburster/squiddy. BUT I'll bet my lucky dollar that engineer/SJ bio tech is going to affect David in some way in this film!
MithraOvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 11:10 AM
ref: posts not posting...
Ahh...the sensible approach...that must be why I'm having problems...lol.
VaderTimeOvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 11:12 AM
allinambercladOvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 11:22 AM
How? A David8 is a machine.
The alien life form, apparently, is biologically alive - and works on those principles.
If an alien life form embryo could utilise a David, why couldn't it equally well utilise the table you put it down on, or a washing machine?
Biologically alive means something very specific to us - DNA and the chemical processes of exchange and duplication that DNA, some incredible how, is at the root of.
It may be that is a principle that is meaningless to the processes this alien life form is founded on - but everything so far suggests it [i]is[/i] founded on a principle that is something to do with DNA.
If it is, I do not see how David8 can support it.
A David8 has no DNA for it to utilise. He is not biological.
keYserSOzeOvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 11:22 AM
I think the theory has already been touched on but... I think the xeno is a result of the bio-tech mixing with David's tech, but who knows... Something which has been mentioned before is that David gets transformed into a human and is the first human on earth... This would be a serious paradox and would ruin the movie for me, can't wait to find out though!
Id Rather Be Eatin Something ElseOvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 12:01 PM
I would go so far as to say that if the alien xenomorph facehugger was seperated from the colony proper with only an android left over, and no-one else, no biological 'host' nothing then the aliens redundancy factors would kick-in. In an ideal world it would rahter the 'conventinal route' to 'genisis' (ie.) egg laying method and all that goes with it) but under 'special cir***stances' the alien grunt can cocoon one-or-more 'cocoon hosts' to become fully-fledged 'eggs' in their own right. So then the 'conventional route' from egg to facehugger to alien birth is re-honored.
However, if the evolutionary stakes have been so sqeezed to ABSOLUTE breaking point (i.e) survival of the species/new colony set-up, then I think the Xeno alien life-cycle will adapt yet again to the crisis enviromental conditions its own 'primordial/primeval nature' finds itself in.
An android would be a warm incubating mobile chamber of sorts for an alien xeno to 'adapt and over come' the gestation status if it meant that it could get something out of it for its own advancement in the process.
So, in effect, I'm thinking the Xeno facehugger when faced with the devil or the deep blue sea of extinction then it would try to find a way to make it happen. Yet another bio-hybrid thread line would be created as a result and hybrids going off all over the place. I think it could possibly be done as they say in Jurassic Park: "Life, somehow, will find a way."
enceladus_is_aliveOvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 12:25 PM
Simple answer: Anything is possible in a Movie.
Alien DNAOvomorphMember10 XPMay-11-2012 12:32 PM
I would suggest a couple of questions after your post.
1. Do synthetics need to breathe air? If not then what would keep them from staying awake during the attack?
2. In the case that the Synthetic is still awake, couldn't it just rip pull the face hugger off with killing himself? I mean Synthetics are surely physically stronger than a human.
So I guess my real question is if the face hugger would have any real success with an attack on a Synthetic?
Alien DNAOvomorphMember10 XPMay-11-2012 12:34 PM
BTW, to answer your question. I would say that it shouldn't be able too, but you never know, especially when we don't know too much about the Space Jockey tech yet.
belladonnaOvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 12:40 PM
well knowing more about the androids physiology would help with that question im sure.
[url=http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Synthetic]Svanya's famous link[/url]
Id Rather Be Eatin Something ElseOvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 1:12 PM
I know what your saying about the android supposedly having supirior strength can, in effect, just rip it off his/her own face. Depends upon how much strength the 'said android' has been programmed to excert within its daily 'function' (pounds per square inch and that sort of thing) It may not want to risk the acid spilling out and corroding its own face and motor-nural body parts. If the head/brain capacity area is damaged then the androids memory circuits are rendered possibly inaffective and to it if considerable damage was inflicted then this could result in its malfunction/deactivation. In other words: 'near death' if not 'death' in human terms.
JPOvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 1:51 PM
well if spaights got laid the night before then emphatically YES but if he had a ****ty round of eggs for breakfast then its probably a NO NO NO... ABSOLUTElY ***ING NO WAY NO THATS RIDICULOUS AND I HATE MYSELF FOR EVEN THINKING IT
Lexsidious OvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 2:37 PM
No. David does not have a DNA "code" for the alien to use. I agree with allinamberclad. In that case a face hugger would try and attach itself to a laptop or a vehicle.
KarstenphdOvomorphMember67 XPMay-11-2012 2:50 PM
Kane in alien was eating food ravenously, to the point that his fellow crewmembers were tripping, after his encounter and the facehugger implanted it's offspring in him. I think that implies that the parasite was taking nourishment, etc from the host. I don't see how that can be interpreted any other way. So IMHO these are BIOlogical beings that would attack a clone,or possibly a synthetic in the bladerunner sense, but not an artificial person. Wheres the BEEF!!!
belladonnaOvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 3:08 PM
i dont remember where, but i heard the alien embryo's grow faster due to faster metabolisms.
that is why the dog burster popped out so damn fast in alien3 and a theory on why the queen alien wanted newt so bad near the end of aliens...
a childs metabolism is much faster then an adult human and the queen lost her hive after she stowed away on the escape ship. so someone/something with a faster metabolism to make babies quicker would be in her best interest since she just lost everything.
but anyway im rambling... my point was someone/something with a faster metabolism would eat a lot of food already. i assume that is why kane was so ravenous, the embryo was indeed taking nutrients as well as DNA from the host and it subliminally demanded more food faster.
OR.... the fact that the nasty face hugger had kane TKO'ed and after being knocked out for so long anyone would be quite thirsty and hungry.
i know when i go on a booze binge and wake up many hours later i am pretty thirsty and hungry myself.
BigDaveDeaconMember10324 XPMay-11-2012 3:42 PM
As i have said before, yes maybe if David 8 is merged with the special stuff the Engineers have (Fire) then he could become Bio Mechanical. By that i mean he would be part Biological...
As it stands he is Synethic......
So i am going to say just a Rubber Dildo with Balls cant get testicular cancer, nor can David 8 be used as a host for a Xeno.
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nostromo77OvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 3:54 PM
No way in hell.
David 8 is a machine. And so in a terminator.
Could an an Alien gestate inside a terminator.?
Id Rather Be Eatin Something ElseOvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 4:47 PM
Yes but there are softer liquid, 'mushy' parts within the likes of something like Ash, Bishop, David, Annalee Caas/Cass or even the androids from Blade Runner, but The Terminator/s are obviously solid metal components and moving parts. I know the T-1000 is 'liquid' in a sense but its a different set of bionic 'variables' I am 'presenting' here as compared to the Terminators. The idea and conceptual 'vision' behind androids such as the afore-mentioned (Ash/Bishop/David/Annalee Caas/Cass/Blade Runner androids) their 'constructs' are meant to almost mimic what I would call 'near-biology'. As close as you could get to it with out quite getting ther... yet! Terminators are a 'force mesure' to attack and conquer as their pre-programmed mandate, androgynous 'beings' are supposed to be as close as us as possible. Its a thought to at least consider .
In Hybrid MomentsOvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 5:01 PM
I always thought it was interesting that Ash referred to the Alien as "Kane's son"
I also thought it might be a parallel that Weyland refers to David 8 as his "son"
What if Giger's Alien was the end result of Weyland's unintended consequences for "playing god" and creating a new species (the Android)
SpartacusOvomorphMember0 XPMay-11-2012 5:08 PM
again, and I cannot believe this same thread with this same topic has been posted yet again, but there is NO WAY, the "Host" has to be of organic composition.