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Roger G

MemberFacehuggerOct-16-2020 9:58 PM
HBO has just released a new classic trailer from Alien (1979) and I wonder how Warner is trading with the ALIEN franchise in HBOMAX and not Disney. Can anyone answer me? Alien | Modern Trailer | HBO Max https://youtu.be/sVwH0hIvV5k Alien (1979) Original Trailer 40 years ago, something came aboard the Nostromo that changed cinema forever.... https://youtu.be/1YwqyE1_dHw
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Thoughts_Dreams

MemberNeomorphOct-18-2020 4:34 AM

Interesting about the new trailer, thanks for the post. Sorry that I can’t answer your question but I can add some perspective on it.

Unfortunately it was cut too fast, you didn’t get to see a scene that lasted more than maybe two seconds? Compare it to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ5lPt9edzQ

That is the original trailer, you see that they spend much more time on individual shots. I must say that I find that way to be better, the modern thing feels rushed.

Rushing things was one of the complaint that a host on the Perfect Organism podcast had about Scott. I can see what he means when I see that example of the updated trailer. They simply bombard us with images. Not to say that we need to spend 30 second on one shot but slow it down a little.

ralfy

MemberOvomorphOct-18-2020 7:09 AM

The original is much better. It doesn't retell the movie and shows just enough to make viewers interested.

 

Roger G

MemberFacehuggerOct-18-2020 1:22 PM
In Star Wars matter Turner has the streaming rights until 2024 due to a Disney mistake in the past. In the case of Century FOX, I'm not sure what happened, HBO has signed some right agreement intead of Disney +, the fact is that Disney are not focused on ratings R movies and they may not be interested. Disney’s 2016 deal with Turner was a major coup for the TV network — it allowed them to broadcast and stream much of the Star Wars franchise on networks like TBS and Starz, often in big marathons or on demand. Disney had also made a deal in 2012 with Netflix, allowing it to stream other Star Wars films, as well as its many recent Marvel superhero films. At the time, these deals made sense: TBS and Netflix are two big networks that draw a lot of eyeballs, and they would bring Disney’s films front-and-center for audiences in a way that Disney couldn’t at the time. But the landscape has changed drastically since then: where streaming services like Hulu and Netflix were the go-to for your favorite shows and movies, the goal now is to develop as much original content as possible, producing projects like Altered Carbon, The Handmaid’s Tale, and Star Trek: Discovery, as a way to draw in subscribers with stuff that you just can’t find elsewhere.

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianOct-18-2020 3:52 PM

For your consideration.

The ORIGINAL trailer.

https://youtu.be/LjLamj-b0I8

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S.M

MemberXenomorphOct-18-2020 11:53 PM

In Australia all Star Wars content is via Disney Plus.  As Disney Plus seems to be geared towards family entertainment, I'm not sure there's a place for some of the Fox catalogue.  At the moment a lot of it is available through Foxtel (Australian cable service) which also airs HBO content.

BlackAnt

MemberFacehuggerOct-19-2020 2:57 AM

How dare anyone!!! HOW DARE THEY MENTION STAR WARS AROUND THESE PARTS!!!!

This is ALIEN country around here.....now lets not have any more of that "Star Bores stuff" being bantered around!!!

 

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianOct-19-2020 3:34 PM

BlackAnt

At least they didn't mention Star Trek...

A franchise I have resolutely and forever walked away from.

As bad as some things in the ALIENverse are, it's nowhere near as horrifically asinine as STD.

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dk

MemberTrilobiteOct-19-2020 9:12 PM

Blackwinter-witch Wars and Trek have been out of hand for a long time. I think The Orville was on the right track, but not sure if anything will ever happen with it.

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianOct-20-2020 2:08 AM

dk

Time will tell with The Orville

STD and Picard though...as bad as things got with SW, it was never the absolute travesties that are STD and Picard.

SW turned on it's fandom, attacking them...and they learned a valuable and expensive lesson.

CBS-Paramount...they seem to be deeply committed to The Stupid.

Bad as SW got, I'm willing to hear out the apology as they work now to rebuild the relationship with the Fandom.

CBS-Paramount has openly stated they don't give a damn about the ST fandom.

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

BlackAnt

MemberFacehuggerOct-20-2020 5:00 AM

What in the Sam HILLLL is ahhhh going on here!!!!

Star Wars, Star Trek, the Orville show????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOw did'nt we all just agree not to sashay and banter about all these other NON ALIEN SHOWS!!!

This is how I feel right now!!! Can't talk about Alien most of the time on this chat....and then I get beat over the head by RS himself!!! telling me how great RBW is and why we should like that flaming dumpster fire of a pile horse SHITE!!!

WELL NO MORE!

 

Now I know there has not been a lot of news about the new prequel but that does not mean we just start bringing up Star Wars.....you all know how bad the last movie was....it was soooooo bad (AND I WILL WATCH JUST ABOUT ANY SCI-FI MOVIE! ANY!!!!!)

I had to fast forward through 95% of the film...only 15 minutes was barely watchable....now back in the day I used to watch it but not no more!!!!! 

That is all some woke nonsense BS!....OHHHHH THIS JUST BAKES MY COOKIES!!! coming here and we cannot get together and be sensible about ALIEN STUFF!!! 

BAKES MY COOOOOOOOOOOOOOKIES!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianOct-20-2020 10:46 AM

BlackAnt

In the words of Douglas Adams:

DON'T PANIC

We're simply speaking of the other franchises for purpose of comparative analysis regarding state-of-situation regarding the ALIEN franchise, that's all.

So, take a deep breath, chill, and don't worry about it it's not a primary narrative-shift, merely comparative-analysis.

More and more these days the ALIEN franchise is more and more where I choose to stay and dwell within. It's far more Interesting than any of the others, it's complex and realistic and exists in a vast galaxy where Humanity is really only JUST beginning to take it's first steps into the dark and empty spaces between the stars.

For me, the opening credits of ALIEN, I always keep coming back to...the music, the visuals..the MOOD and tone of it...it's something special, beautiful and dark and elegantly understated.

Whenever I start to feel like I am drifting away from what ALIEN is...I rewatch the opening, and that gives me back my footing.

To me, ALIEN is not about the Creature. It's about Humanity facing the darkness that it's entirely unprepared for. It's about trying to retain Humanity when facing mind-bending horror out in the vastness where NO help exists nor could ever arrive in time.

It's about the very concept of that word; A L I E N.

This is what makes this universe special, and why it stands apart from all others, gloriously understated, darkly elegant, quietly horrifying and deeply thought-provoking.

And I love being here enjoying it alongside the rest of you.

...and if anyone knows how to reach out to Big Dave, please do so and extend to him all the Love and Best Regards we have for him.

I know I am not the only one worried about him.

 

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Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianOct-20-2020 10:59 AM

Why ALIEN: Manticore exists:

Manticore and it's crew I borrowed from a Unique realm of my own.

New ALIEN-universe films and works are slow to come as we all know...and I sought to fill the gap while we wait.

Manticore actually worked better in the ALIEN-universe than I ever could have hoped...though hardly a surprise when I think about it as that realm was inspired by the ALIEN-Universe.

I have zero influence with the Industry, but I can do what i can to give the fandom something to enjoy while we all wait. I'm NOT Ridley scott...NOwhere even remotely close, but I do take a large amount of inspiration from him and his body of work, from which I have learned a lot and continue to do so.

RBW is what it is...but RS is a Mentor, intentionally or not, that's what he is, to me at least.

 

 

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dk

MemberTrilobiteOct-20-2020 12:55 PM

I think it comes back to memorable characters and SW lost me at Ep 1 back in 2003 ish. ST lost me at ITD. They didn't click with me, so I gave up.

The Alien franchise has a different and darker vibe that appeals to me that the others lack. It seems like there is a desire for darker content that Alien always had. SW and ST seem to be playing catch up.

 

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianOct-20-2020 2:09 PM

dk

SW is popcorn-space-fantasy...fun, but pretty much just a roller-coaster ride.

ST; ITD, well I managed to cherry-pick some things from ST 2009 and ITD for my own use after re-interpretation.

ST; Beyond...I started leaving. STD and I started running. 

Now, I stay in my own realms and ALIEN, where it's dark and comfy :D

As you say, it has that beautiful darkness that others lack, and that SW and ST will never have. They're trying to grasp it, but they're basically hoping to catch the same lightning in a bottle intentionally--and it's NOT working for ST.

The Mandalorian benefits from we've always known the Outer Rim Areas and assorted other places in SW have a dark and dangerous side. Mos Eisley spaceport, slavery and all that stuff.

Still...they will never have the Beautiful Darkness unique to ALIEN, because they never started off with such, and ALIEN did...it's all about Beginnings, not mid-course changes.

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BlackAnt

MemberFacehuggerOct-20-2020 3:21 PM

@BWW and DK,

"As you say, it has that beautiful darkness that others lack."

"The Alien franchise has a different and darker vibe that appeals to me that the others lack. It seems like there is a desire for darker content that Alien always had."

Interesting points....I too never looked at the entire Alien franchise in this way until now...so obviously I have been watching this stuff for 40 years not even knowing what I really like about the work inherently.

Which brings me to my next thing. What would you think about much darker characters in anything Alien? David seems sinister like he is off his rocker, like a crazed house wife who has been cheated on....I sort of think David's character was a bit of sham in AC....now that I said that it would have just worked better for me if he was more deliberate with his evil side.

So for me a much darker set of characters would take place in a WY corporate show....where different parts of the company are going at each other....and they really do not like each other. So they do stuff and it is very dark and very dramatic because hey why not! It is the future and every possible nasty thing can happen in the future with technology. We always think that the show is about this creature...I bet with some clever writing we could see some really nasty tech being used a 100 years from now.

The descriptive narrative has to be there though....we have to care about the danger these characters face or the deployment of said mechanisms lose their full punch.

Also would like a dark bar scene in WY, something similar to SW but with just a range of human characters all dark, sinister, the music just right, with that sharp edge of hard danger.   

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianOct-20-2020 8:13 PM

BlackAnt

That's one of the truly lovely things about the ALIEN Universe...even now, decades later, we're still finding new ways to enjoy it, new facets of what it is.

David, I liked him in Prometheus, but the incarnation in AC, just felt...'wrong' somehow...like a character based off David, but NOT David...y'know??

I agree regarding the need for some truly Dark characters in ALIEN. But they must be complex and interesting, and with actors that can handle them properly in a manner akin to how Hopkins handled his role as Hannibal Lecter, that calibre of work, and also applies fully to the Narrative of course also, otherwise as you said it 'loses it's punch'.

In the ALIEN universe there has to be all manner of Dark and Interesting places that make the Mos Eisley cantina look like a preschool. ;)

 

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

dk

MemberTrilobiteOct-20-2020 10:50 PM

BlackAnt A WY series could be very dark and sinister without even seeing a xeno- we have seen that angle before. Some aren't into the machinations of WY but I think it could be very interesting. I like the idea of an organization with an agenda hoodwinking the public of something like "building better worlds."  I like the idea of people trying to survive or doing the "right" thing while being unaware or barely having the thought that they are mere pawns of a bigger picture of which they are unaware. Maybe one or two characters have a clue but don't have all the pieces to put it together. There in-lies the tension.

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianOct-21-2020 11:58 AM

A WY series could be very dark and sinister without even seeing a xeno- we have seen that angle before. Some aren't into the machinations of WY but I think it could be very interesting. 

Imagine what goes on between the Interstellar Corporations vs Governments...

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

Roger G

MemberFacehuggerOct-21-2020 10:07 PM
A WY tv series in HBO would be a good idea, but who to hire and come up with a decent script, Lindelof ?, Aaron Guzikowski and driving us crazy again?, I agree with Blackwinter-witch, the ALIEN Universe has many opportunities has sticky and long tentacles, I think this was already talked, Peter Weyland role played by Guy Pearce was amazing. I have seen this video about WY very interesting. Weyland-Yutani: Corporate Timeline: https://youtu.be/wLeF6EqulUI

dk

MemberTrilobiteOct-21-2020 10:34 PM

Roger G Nice time line. Alien Theory is a good site. 

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