Were the Engineers welcoming home heroes from a war? or the Elders?2,368 Views11 RepliesAdd A Reply
If there's one scene I enjoyed the most, however brief, it was seeing the engineers in the city, pre bombing.
One thing that struck me was how they were reacting to the juggernaut showing up.
There music in the background, which almost sounded like fanfare music welcoming home troops or a king from a battle far away
It reminded me of the scene from the film Gladiator when Commodus returns to Rome and is greeted by cheering crowds and music.
I wonder if the people on this planet had frequent visits, like Earth once did, from Elder Engineers.
I also wonder if the Elders picked up the solar eruption and are already on their way to check on the colony.
The RS commentary basically stated the populace was welcoming the juggernaut and that it was not an unusual occurrence. Those words are from RS and I will bank on it- until he changes his mind.....again.
And they was not suspicious about a ship missed more than 2000 years ago? I understand that the engineers don't evolve any more but they make absolutely no checks?
[email protected] RS said it was a fairly regular occurrence and there was no reason for inhabitants to be suspicious. I encourage listening to his commentary. I am not making this up.
I believe you but I won't listen to RS as I don't want to give any money to things I hate. And if that was a fairly regular occurrence why did they not reappear in the years David was on the planet? Do the ships maintain any kind of contact with their home-world. I guess not, but this is very unconvincing.
I can only bank on what RS actually said. Doesn't matter much what I would want to hear, it is as he says.
Thanks DK, interesting.
I read a theory that the habitants on the planet were another one of the engineers' creations. And they saw the engineers to be gods, as humans did when we were in our early days.
That is what people have been speculating, but the script and comments from the film makers tell us that these are actually the Engineers. They may be something like a purer, original race of Engineers, not the enhanced, engineered versions we have seen before, but they are supposed to be the Engineers.
Ridley said the Juggernauts come and go on a regular basis. Since we know that seeding a planet for them is partly a religious action, I just assumed that they regularly pick a person to be sacrificed, send a ship and crew off to the far reaches to seed a world, then the crew of that ship is celebrated upon thier return. Ships would also be sent out for regular monitoring and influencing of their creations, as they did on Earth.
10 or 20 years between return visits may seem to be nothing more than a blink of any eye to them.
They way to explore this Topic can be quite detailed depending how we look at it, and also pondering if RS/FOX are still keeping to Themes Prometheus had set up and even considering ideas that Evolved from as far as Alien: Engineers.
So i am not 100% sure where to start with this as it depends what clues we try to use and what to ignore.
Ridley Scott had said the Engineers come back to this place from time to time, this place seems to have a very important significance to the Engineers.
RS had also called these the Original Engineers (or it was someone else on Production).
RS had mentioned the Hall of Heads where the Wise Men, the Apostles and Superior Beings and now this depends if this is directed towards the rest of those Engineers, does the Superior beings thus mean the Hall of Heads beings are Superior to those on Planet 4?
Or is it to show in General the whole Engineer Race are Superior beings compared to Mankind?
Another member of Production called the Hall of Heads, the Hierarchy and RS had said the Cathedral Place is where these beings store their History and Knowledge.
I really can go into a lot of detail if required on the connections, and reasons for this place.. but in a Nut-Shell.
It would appear that indeed this Place is where a Engineer Civilization lives in, and the Engineers whole Culture revolves around Sacrifice where such a Ritual is held in high Esteem for those beings.
I would therefor assume that the Engineer Ships arrive here every so often to collect Sacrifices to use their Genetic Material to Seed/Evolve Worlds... and for the Chosen this is a very great Honor.
And for their Sacrifice they will be Remembered, Celebrated and Immortalized with Statues dedicated to them in the Plaza and then Monuments Build in their image on the Worlds that their Body/Soul has seeded.
I would therefor assume the Juggernauts are Seeding ships, where they had evolved a means to Sacrifice Engineers with the Sacrificial Goo and the resulting Broken Down Material is Stored within Urns to better Seed Worlds.
And so the Urns do not contain Black Goo we saw in Prometheus, not as the intention for it.. but at some point a Faction of Engineers had come into contact with a Xeno-related Organism and Produced a Xeno-Like Off Spring and these Engineer Experimented on this until they had achieved the Deacon Mural, then they Sacrifices its Body to create the Strain of DNA with the Urns on LV-223 as these Engineers saw the Deacon DNA as more Perfect than Engineers DNA.
This will explain why those Engineers was not fearful of that Ship.
They did not think it would be Carrying Such Death like the Black Goo, but the Ship would return to take Sacrifices.
This is what the Franchise had draw me towards, even prior to Alien Covenant and my in work Prometheus 2 draft that i abandoned nearly 3 years ago... did touch upon this purpose.
I had a opening Scene showing a Juggernaught leaving Earth and within Cryo-Pods on that Ship was Primates, the whole idea being these are taken to LV-223 and experimented/evolved and then the results then seeded back to Earth.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
So indeed Pretty much what Kethol had put is also what could be close to the Truth.
Maybe the LV-223 Engineers are Genetically Altered Super-Engineers, a Evolutionary Path... maybe thus they are similar to why we created David?
Or maybe the LV-223 Engineers Predate the Paradise ones?
There are so many ways we can look at the connections, and there is no real ONE way to figure out what this connection could be... the LV-223 Engineers could have Engineered themselves to a Advanced Level, against the Will of the Hierarchy of their Race and Corrupted their Pure State.
The LV-223 Engineers could have been the Original Race who had Evolved themselves so far, that they lost the Ability to Procreate (as Spaights Alien Engineers ponders) and so the Sacrificial Scene was a way to attempt to kick-start their Evolution in the hope this would bring back Females?
There is so many ways this could be explored.. as far as the whole connections... and it think this was the Hope some had for a Prometheus Sequel..
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
The other way to see it could also be indeed these are celebrating the return of a Military Force from Battle.
But then we have to ask why does Planet 4 seem to lack much Technology and Defense Mechanisms, why does the Juggernaught ships lack Offensive/Defensive Capabilities
I think we can look at Earth for some inspiration, if a World Power sends Ships off to a Conflict and some of these Ships have Tactical Nukes on them and then these Ships return to Port.. the welcoming citizens of that returning Military Ship would never suspect a returning ship would return to unleash its Nuclear Arsenal upon its own people.
And so we can maybe also consider that kind of Scenario too.
But i still by the idea that there are a Hierarchy of Engineers or other beings above them, who use the Engineers for a Purpose and they keep these Engineers Technologically at a certain Level like Mankind was thousands of years ago.
Only a Selected few are allowed to use the Technology and have the Knowledge and these are chosen and governed by the Hierarchy, but some of these beings abused this Technology. (LV-223)
I would assume the ships are not Militarily capable apart from dropping the Seeding Urns, because this RACE are Advanced and they Visit and maintain Worlds they have seeded to check on them and teach them stuff but never ever as far as the Advanced Technologies
And so in their Arrogance.... the Engineers would think that without interactions and teaching to Mankind, we would have been no more than Cave-Men Savages and so when we are abandoned thousands of years ago, without the Engineers Offering is Knowledge we could never ever had evolved Technologically past the point we was thousands of years ago.
So the Planet 4 Engineers see those Engineer Ships as just Sacrificial Seeding Ships which is a great honor to them, and they also see no Aggressive Intentions towards or against the WHOLE Engineer Culture and Rituals and so could never Fathom that these ships would be used by anything but the Chosen Engineers and the use would ever be for anything more than their whole Sacrificial Ritualistic Culture for the greater Good.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017