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Time travel element in Alien Covenant?

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JPL

Jun-03-2017 4:15 AM

Is it a coincidence that there is a neutrino burst just before the Covenant crew receive Shaw's message and find a planet seemingly undiscovered, despite surveying the area?

Could it be that the planet was surveyed and found to be lifeless and so the survey moved on. The neutrino burst may have been the result of a time travel event which took the crew to the same location but at a time when the planet had life.

The crew remark that is was old and that they had missed it during said survey. It could also explain why the engineers seem different, somewhat less advanced? perhaps an earlier attempt to create humans? which is why they appeared transfixed by the arrival of the ship.

I think earlier versions of the script had elements of time travel.

19 Responses to Time travel element in Alien Covenant?

ali81

Jun-03-2017 6:28 AM

please no time travel in the story.

BigDave

Jun-03-2017 8:03 AM

Time Travel could work if its via a ONE OFF Event... something so Drastic a Event that Tears a Hole through Time and Space... like how some Fear the LHC at Cern could do if this went wrong.

Then yes if this is done to showcase the Derelict looking Thousands of Years Old...  when it actually is up to 17 years old... i think i would take.

LV-223 is a Plot Hole at the moment... i feel LV-223 needs to be Destroyed so that all Engineer Technology and Black Goo on that World is no longer available for the company to be able to obtain any Black-Goo or Engineer Technology.

Having a Destructive Event that then Tosses the Derelict leaving LV-223 through a Space Anomaly would work for me.

More so if a Engineer/Elder is responsible and ultimately also end up crashed on LV-426 with Davids Experiments.

The other option is that its a David/Walter or a Human in the Space Jockey Chair and crashes 5-15 years prior to Alien.

If they do a Alien 5 kind of idea after this... i would go the route that the Derelict they obtain is from Paradise (David/Shaws Crashed Ship) and not LV-223 or LV-426.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Starlogger

Jun-03-2017 8:07 AM

@BD Sounds kind of like "Half Life" 1 & 2! THAT would be a great movie, even though I hate time travel. It's a weak motive.

dk

Jun-03-2017 8:16 AM

@Starlogger-  I am sure it will all work out in the course of..........well, I am afraid I am not at the liberty to say.

Jonesy

Jun-03-2017 10:08 AM

Maybe the engineers "hide" it, make their planet not discoverable by human. 

I Moon Girl

Jun-03-2017 12:51 PM

I don't think that neutrino burst was a coincidence.  I think before Weyland died, he set up a mission in his company system.  This would continue his legacy.  Weyland never wanted to die, so I could see him doing this.  I also think Mother is in on this mission too.  Since Weyland is dead, who is now in charge of the Weyland Corp.  Weyland did say David is like a son to him, so David would naturally inherit the company.  He seemed to have special access to Weyland himself in Prometheus when compared to what Vickers had.  I think David could possibly be in control and kickstarted the Covenant mission.  The planet David is on wasn't looked at because I am sure a computer scanned the planets for possible habitability.  I wouldn't be surprised that the computer simply ignored that planet.  Instead, the computer picked Origae-6 as a "habitable" planet to fool the crew to go there because it passed right by the planet we know as "Paradise".  I am also thinking that the neutrino burst was predicted.  Even though the crew on the Covenant said that neutrino bursts are unpredictable, I think the Weyland Corp. has the technology to predict these kind of things.  It's like with almost any government in the world today, except that the Weyland Corp. is trying to govern space itself.  This technology is kept secret for strategic purposes.  I am all for our government keeping some secrets away from us to protect the country we live in!  As in the movie Alien: Covenant, "David, what have you been doing here?" David replies, "Waiting for Mother."  (...it happened something like that)

JPL

Jun-03-2017 1:38 PM

@toman I like that idea, it does seem that David was waiting for something. Needing a human to finish his work would not make sense being so far away. David being able to set a plan in motion and then waiting for mother (the ship) to find its way.

nudger40

Jun-03-2017 2:08 PM

I was thinking about the possibility of time travel, im sure they said the decapitated Engineer in Prometheus had been dead for 2000 years give or take.

BigDave

Jun-03-2017 2:50 PM

@Toman

I think indeed having some AI behind the Scenes is interesting and something RS could explore, showing us that AI has taken over but Mankind is none the wise to it.

I dont think a Neutrino Burst would be a Predicted event though, the only way this happens is at Random, or knowledge in advanced by studying a Star... as Neutrino Bursts are usually a event after a Super Nova, but for this movie they have had it as a Large Solar Flair... which would be unpredictable event unless some device had been targeted against the Star to cause a Large Scale Solar Flare.

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joylitt

Jun-03-2017 5:44 PM

Time travel sucks!

I Moon Girl

Jun-03-2017 6:57 PM

@ BigDave

I thought I heard that the neutrino burst was in the form of a solar flare in the movie, so I was just hesitant to call it that.  After a quick search along the internet, I couldn't find much info on a neutrino burst that is simple and to the point and I didn't find anyone linking a neutrino burst to a solar flare either.  That was a quick search though... so the info may exist.

So, I looked into predicting solar flares on the internet. One article says with a new method of listening to our sun on over 1,000 sunspot regions, a solar flare can be predicted twice as accurate.

Apparently with the methods or technology we have today, scientists can predict two to three-day warnings of solar flares and how large it will be.  This is according to NOAA, which is the USA's solar weather monitoring and forecasting group.  This is in 2017 though.  Prometheus took place in 2093.  That means ways of predicting solar flares could have greatly improved, in a real world scenario.  I would think David would have to know about these prediction ways before Prometheus if he were to use them.  Maybe they couldn't predict a random star's solar flares in such a short since David was most likely out of contact with Earth until his body was reattached.  This could have been a year or so until he could be contacted with.  Plus, I don't know what kind of star is near the Origae-6.  I assume it is different than our sun.  If it is, it may have slightly different reactions inside of it if it is made up of different elements.  I am not sure.  Maybe we will never know if that star could be predicted to have solar flares when the Covenant ship flies nearby.  I just don't believe that solar flare was a coincidence!  I am starting to sound like Shaw now...going against Darwinism.  She may be right though.  The Engineers DNA was an exact match to human DNA.  Maybe David did something to cause that solar flare, or maybe it was a very active sun so that no matter when the Covenant ship flew by, the ship would have been affected by the star.  Maybe it wasn't as simple as David figuring out a plan to get off "Paradise".  Maybe David just saw an opportunity to get off "Paradise" and took advantage of it.  I am stopping here for now.  What do you think BigDave?

Blackwinter-witch

Jun-03-2017 9:00 PM

NO to Time Travel

And in Alien: Manticore the Engineer facilities on LV-223 are completely annihilated.
Because as pointed out above, a point I also considered and found problematic. LV-223's Engineer Facilities continued existence creates some immense problems.
So, in my take, I'm doing some 'house-cleaning'.

*Man's giant leap was just a stumble in the dark.*

xenofanlv426

Jun-04-2017 12:32 AM

Time travel is good in Scifi, but it is not the right element and idea to put into the ALIEN franchise. Look at what happened to Terminator.

ali81

Jun-04-2017 2:57 AM

difference between alien and terminator is when the time travel element is introduced. in terminator it was first scene, boom, time travel is a huge ark in the whole story. in alien, wer now in our 6th instalment before it may be introduced and to me its just a lazy attempt at getting round some answers easily and filling in holes rather than telling the story. I don't see time travel working in the alien universe tbh

Blackwinter-witch

Jun-04-2017 3:25 AM

I don't care what kind of contortions they try to justify any use of time-travel, they go down that road, a LOT of the fanbase will disown the franchise then and there, myself included.

 

*Man's giant leap was just a stumble in the dark.*

dk

Jun-04-2017 6:03 AM

No time travel. It is in The Scified Member Rulebook.

Thoughts_Dreams

Jun-04-2017 6:07 AM

Time travel works in Terminator but it would be weird in the Alien movies.

Blackwinter-witch

Jun-04-2017 7:14 AM

what I'm afraid of is they'll use some BS deus ex machina to wedge in time-travel to address the possible continuity issues.

*Man's giant leap was just a stumble in the dark.*

Ian123

Oct-21-2017 5:57 AM

Please don't put time travel!

What do you think about solar flares? Sun solar flare hit the Earth and Alien got reborn :D

Solar flares

 

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