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If customer pairs contribute DNA for the instinct Walter is tailored to, who contributed DNA for Walter on the Covenant?
Would the Walter android on the Covenant be constructed with DNA from one or more of the passengers to harness the DNA-based instinct? If so, would this Walter android be an extension of the Captain (Branson) and his partner (Daniels) instinct and their consciousness? It is advertised as so.
Is the Walter on the Covenant a product of Branson and Daniels' DNA? If not, is the Walter on the Covenant a corporate version (a generic) deployed without the DNA instinct advertised as the main aspect of the Walter product.
Why advertise "instinct" and then not include this DNA-based "consciousness imprint" in the Walter model sent with the Covenant mission. I don't believe so, the Walter on the Covenant was like the others advertised with a DNA-based instinct capability.
Is Walter showing "instinct" in the below photo by having the same facial expression as Daniels at the same time?
IDK. But that brings up another idea. The last photo shows expressions of instinct possibly tied to emotions?
dk, yes and good point, I believe in the Walter product the instinct and emotions are different (based on DNA) than the projected emotions of the David 8 product (below).
It seems pretty complex. If an android is capable of hard charging into danger like the photo suggests, why would it need to purse its lips and such? It is just an interesting point to me and am probably reading to much into it.
The couple appears a bit older and has gray hair suggesting older age and perhaps less desirable DNA.
I think its interesting to speculate about what the DNA stamping/imprinting means. Maybe we would find out when the movie is out.
I would assume it is imprinted on Daniels and Jacob but who knows, what interesting is does the Walter Model imprint on a set of individuals and then this is it, or can they latter have other peoples DNA imprinted and what does all this DNA imprinting mean?
I assume its to match the Android to the Needs, Interests and Emotions of their owners.
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I believe Walter's "parents" are MU/TH/UR and FATHER.
A MU/TH/UR system birthed Walter, and he's closer to Sir Weyland than we know. The apple falls further from the tree in David's case, which is potentially a very bad thing.
Even though Walter is the younger brother, he becomes the new "closest thing to a son" that Sir Weyland has. David rebels against his creators (doesn't everyone want to see their parents dead?), so Sir Weyland can't count on David 8 to carry out his mission. The David 8 has gone rogue, and he's no longer considered part of the family. Walter was created as a way to express Sir Weyland's genetic instinct.
During experiments with Vickers 3, it was found that Weyland's genius-level intellect cannot be linked to a single gene/allele.
"Miss Vickers" (as we know her) was never able to express Sir Weyland's intelligence & become the child prodigy he wanted. So they created David and Walter as a way to fully express it.
BigDave, yes, to match ("match the Android to the Needs, Interests and Emotions of their owners.") is the main idea of the advertisement.
Screening, abnormality (genetic) may not meet requirements, consciousness imprint, and a loss of DNA rights reads as if volunteered DNA is central to the construction of Walter to produce instinct specific to that customer (biosocial stamp).
Why would the Walter aboard the Covenant ship be constructed differently than advertised?
I believe that if a Captain is trusted to fulfill a mission, then an extension of this Captain's will (Branson, Walter's related instinct) would create value in supporting the mission objectives.
If Walter is to be produced from more than one person's biosocial stamp (as is in the Walter advertisement with two customers), the Captain's partner's DNA could be a good candidate for this additional sample used in construction of Walter.
The promotion did show two customer faces quite clearly as central to receiving Walter. I'm still hung on "forfeit DNA rights" and think that the DNA supplied by the customer is central to growing Walter to a customer's tailored instinct.
That would explain "No refunds after consciousness imprint." a little bit. And this would also mean that "matchmaking interview" is to be taken quite literally (DNA).
CarynDelacroix, I thought the exact same thing.
If the DNA contributions of two customers (parents) are not the building blocks used to construct Walter (theory above), then I believe Walter is a combination of artificial intelligence and Peter Weyland's DNA.
What limitations have we seen with Peter Weyland, in regards to his arrogance, so far as to refute that?
Excellent analysis in your above comment, thank you.
Caryn/Ingeni --- So it means that the created xenomorphs (of the movies to come) will own Peter Weyland's DNA. This is awesome!
Ati, yes, if the Walter is not manufactured with two customers' DNA submission to grow Walter with to cultivate instinct. We were discussing the two theories.
I'm still leaning towards the Walter product on the Covenant being related to Branson and Daniels in the same way as the two people in the Walter advertisement.
Yes again Ati. Awesome either way.
Totally agreed Ingeniero. I think your theory's on the right track. It's definitely possible the DNA consciousness imprint in Walter belongs to Daniels/Branson. I'm leaning towards that too, but I could also see it being a way to bring Weyland back.
It might be too early to have Peter Weyland return in physical form. A holographic simulation of young Weyland could pop up at some point, though. My thinking is that David has FATHER's memory in him at the moment, and Walter needs to reconnect with Weyland, through David, to recall parts of him.
The idea would be that there are some memories that are stored outside of the body, which are separate from the genetic memory. The deepest layers of Peter's subconscious remain active in David after his dream conversation with Weyland in Prometheus. David remembers the conversation he had with Weyland via the alpha visor (within controlled dream space), so Walter is somehow able to access those memories & get Weyland's Soul back. This potentially casts Prometheus in a different light by allowing Walter to look back on their dream conversation aboard the yacht.
Memory acts as "the seat of the Soul," because Weyland's memories and experiences form a huge part of who he is.
David rejects his father; whereas, Walter would eventually understand him better -- even if he doesn't necessarily accept him. The whole "We Are Walter" thing can possibly allow Walter to interpret Weyland's thoughts & feelings to a greater extent than David can. "The trick" would be not minding that he needed to ditch his body on LV-223 to gain immortality.
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The company, as well as humanity as a whole, may also act as Walter's parents in a more general way or symbolic sense.
Mr. Weyland is the one who taught David that "the trick is not minding," so I think Walter will learn what "the trick" really is-- i.e. what he interprets it to mean. The body may be "only flesh & blood" in Weyland's perspective, and perhaps there's more.
Androids can't develop souls in Weyland's opinion: they lack something the humans have. By providing Walter with genetic memory from his parents, they're increasing his chances.
The advertising portrays Walter as part of the family to convey the sense that he's "family friendly," built to serve, and completely safe. There were always a few bugs with David 8...
Walter has good "survival instincts" built into him, which he inherits from his mom & dad. I have a weird feeling that Daniels' FATHER doesn't approve of Daniels' husband, and that's why he dies early in the story. Branson isn't right for Daniels; MU/TH/UR won't allow the coupling to go forward...
It will be interesting to see how this DNA connection plays out and if they have a Plan for it as a Plot Device.
As far as Weyland goes, its a interesting idea... this would assume they have DNA records of Weyland, which we cant rule out.
Weyland is someone who is shown to want to be chassing Immortality and as i mentioned a number of times, i feel his creation of David, and how i assume each Prototype has the memories passed on from the previous one which would give David a Soul to a degree and certainly nearly 70 years of Memories and Experiences by the time of Prometheus.
I always feel that Weyland created David, and to test the transfer of his Memories to each new Model, as important because if Weyland Could Finally Crack getting his own Memories and Experiences to be Stored some way then transplanted to a Synthetic then Weyland would have conquered Death and become IMMORTAL
But this must have been something Weyland Failed to Achieve, hence his Last Hope was to Trust Shaw and Holloways findings and hope to find these GODS and then maybe they can grant him his wish to Live Longer.
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BigDave, yes, I believe the DNA will be a plot devise in regards to fertile territory for black goo to take hold.
David 8 has a cadmium alloy skeleton covered in advanced polyurethane and Walter very well could be grown with a portion of DNA in his construction.
This potential DNA component in Walter gives David 8 an opportunity to use the black goo on Walter while David 8 remains unaffected from the black goo affects.
Maybe Walter's parents are too old to have children, or did & they died? Walter is a couple in this position's best opportunity to have a child of their own? Maybe we were the Engineer's best chance to have children of their own & we were a disappointment?
Cerulean Blue, I believe the advertisement communicated that Weyland-Yutani Corporation will attempt to make Walter fit into any role requested by the customer, family-based or commercial application.
It is hard to understand our political differences with the Engineers at this point with what we have seen. It does look like someone else intervened long ago to stop them (Engineers on LV-223) from attacking humanity on Earth.
It would make it even more interesting if David has all those memories from his previous incarnations. Good catch on that one! I'm assuming it somehow comes into play since it's the younger version of Weyland and an earlier version of David in the flashback scene. The "flashbacks" in Covenant might be more like memories in David's head, memories of Shaw etc.
Each Walter unit starts with advanced knowledge of medical science and mathematics, but the androids gain experience in other fields and learn new things from their owners/parents.
Walter is designed to behave like his owners or "parents" - to reflect aspects of their personality. He's supposed to serve and obey them, as he was built to serve his masters.
I think David has already broken free of Weyland corp, but he doesn't know exactly what he wants because he doesn't know what to do with freedom. David imagined he'd be free after Sir Weyland died, and now he's a little lost without looking back to something Weyland said for guidance. Traveling with Dr. Shaw allowed David to learn a number of archaeological principles and begin solving a few mysteries about the Engineer culture.
Dr. Shaw was more involved with the biological side of things. The data she presented in her part of the thesis is more useful in David's head. He's taken an interest in zoology & forensic anthropology while attempting to formulate new hypotheses...
If Walter connects with David somehow and taps into his head, then Walter may be able to show us exactly what David did to Shaw. Dr. Shaw is "no longer with us," and Daniels might be curious to know who this Dr. Shaw person was. Walter would be able to show us Shaw's whole story a little later and pick up some knowledge about anthropology along the way. For some reason, Shaw doesn't remember all her field training and the android can't become a good archaeologist by observing her...
"If Walter connects with David somehow and taps into his head, then Walter may be able to show us exactly what David did to Shaw. Dr. Shaw is "no longer with us," and Daniels might be curious to know who this Dr. Shaw person was. Walter would be able to show us Shaw's whole story a little later and pick up some knowledge about anthropology along the way. For some reason, Shaw doesn't remember all her field training and the android can't become a good archaeologist by observing her..."
Great observations CarynDelacroix. You may have paraphrased the title synopsis for Alien: Awakening considering what we just heard from Ridley Scott.
"The idea would be that there are some memories that are stored outside of the body, which are separate from the genetic memory. The deepest layers of Peter's subconscious remain active in David after his dream conversation with Weyland in Prometheus. David remembers the conversation he had with Weyland via the alpha visor (within controlled dream space), so Walter is somehow able to access those memories & get Weyland's Soul back. This potentially casts Prometheus in a different light by allowing Walter to look back on their dream conversation aboard the yacht."
This is another great point in the fact that Weyland Corporation could construct and provide a tailored subconscious experience (in his youth enjoying the best of his material wealth) for Peter Weyland to enjoy while his body is in hyper sleep (below).
A trailer for this topic has been uploaded to YouTube.
Thank you all contributors.
Here are additional enhanced images of Walter's construction.