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Captain Oram talking to David 8 the Zoologist

Captain Oram talking to David 8 the Zoologist

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Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-12-2017 10:03 AM

Does David 8 use black goo on Walter?

"we saw Captain Oram talking to an android played by Michael Fassbender. However, this wasn’t the newly revealed Walter model. It’s David, the android last seen in Prometheus, who explained to Oram that he’s become something of an amateur zoologist. As the camera lingered on dissected specimens, David revealed he’s been studying the xenomorph. He explained that he’s mapped how insectoid carriers burst from spores to infect hosts and create hybrid lifeforms."

http://io9.gizmodo.com/we-ve-seen-at-least-one-very-grim-secret-at-the-heart-o-1793188750

From Lone below (Oram origin), thank you so much.

Last name: Oram
This unusual and interesting name is of Old Norse origin, and is mainly found recorded in the north of England, in particular the areas of the heaviest settlement of Scandinavian invaders. The modern surname derives from the Old Norse personal name "Ormr", in Old Danish and Old Swedish "Orm", which was originally a nickname meaning "snake, serpent" or "dragon".

"Waltermorph" has been added to the anthology terminology, thank you Chris.

21 Responses to Captain Oram talking to David 8 the Zoologist

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-12-2017 10:06 AM

This goes a long way backing up BigDave and Svanya.

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-12-2017 10:09 AM

Same article as the above link.

"It remains to be seen what the interaction will be, if any, between Walter and David. If the plot point teased by the third clip is what it seems, one version of the artificial lifeforms created to help mankind will become instrumental in the propagation of the galaxy’s greatest threat."

Is Walter used to create the biomechanical xenomorph?

Walter is an artificial lifeform created to help mankind.

This scenario fits so well with the concept of the arrogance of tinkering with creation and the eventual unanticipated consequences.

Chris

EngineerAdmin21275 XPMar-12-2017 11:42 AM

A... A... Waltermorph after all?! Hahaha I am sorry but if Walter ends up being the final piece to the Xenomorph puzzle I will not be able to keep myself from grinning for weeks. Lol 

Svanya

PraetorianAdmin4317 XPMar-12-2017 11:53 AM

Thanks for the mention @Ingeniero. I originally thought the face might have been digitally altered because some of the features matched Fassbender's and some matched Franco's. Now that we have a stunt double whose features match the face in that image it's clear who the victim is, it's Billy Crudup's character (Captain Oram). 

Speaking of David, myself and others theorized years ago that David somehow created/birthed the xeno giving it the biomechanical features we all recognize. I'd wager that David would rather sacrifice Walter for this, instead of experimenting on himself.

Lone

PraetorianMember2674 XPMar-12-2017 12:53 PM

The Captain is the vessel for the Protomorph. Any significance in the surname?

This from the Internet Surname Database:

Last name: Oram
This unusual and interesting name is of Old Norse origin, and is mainly found recorded in the north of England, in particular the areas of the heaviest settlement of Scandinavian invaders. The modern surname derives from the Old Norse personal name "Ormr", in Old Danish and Old Swedish "Orm", which was originally a nickname meaning "snake, serpent" or "dragon".

The Olde English pre 7th Century equivalent "wyrm", originally had the same range of meanings. Pre 7th Century Anglo-Saxon, and Norse baptismal names were usually distinctive compounds whose elements were often associated with the Gods of Fire, Water and War, or composed of disparate elements.

 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-12-2017 1:08 PM

Absolutely incredible contribution Lone.

You are most welcome Svanya. I agree regarding David 8 using Walter opposed to himself. After seeing him in the cloak and his creativity on Paradise, I want David 8 to outlive everyone and everything.

What are his business plans if he can reach beyond Paradise?

Daniels had a leg up as my favorite character because I spent an unreasonable amount of time watching her father play Jack McCoy on Law & Order in the 1990s to the expense of personal relationships. This is during the time when Alien 3 and 4 came out...so I had to redirect.

R. Budd Dwyer

OvomorphMember18 XPMar-12-2017 1:19 PM

Lone, nice find on the name "Oram".  Absolutely significant.  Ridley doesn't do things on accident.

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-12-2017 1:41 PM

"A... A... Waltermorph after all?!" that is pretty good Chris.

If Walter is constructed with an even small part of DNA then the black goo would have an affect on his system to make changes to him. Maybe that is how David 8 makes changes to Walter?

David may just ask Walter to do it and he (Walter) lets him (doubtful) introduce black goo to the "We are Walter" campaign.

That would go further to explain biomechanical and the "matchmaking interview and DNA screening" requirement for those requesting Walter models.

I can only assume that the tissue grown on the outside (photo above) of the white framework is also grown on the inside creating synthetic (maybe hybrid) anatomy inside Walter. 

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPMar-12-2017 6:02 PM

Long live the WALTER-MORPH LOL

Yeah who knows...  This was a theory i had way way before Prometheus when i saw the Trailers and knowing it was a Prequel i was wondering would David's Pinichio Persuits to become a Real Boy lead him to become more than Synthetic but as punishment for his Hubris his infection of Shaw comes back to Haunt him and creates the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph.. i did not like this theory but it was what i wandered.

Alas latter Trailers Showed us Davids Head as the Engineer was looking up at the rising Pilot Chair so that soon put the theory to bed that i put on here in 2012...

HOWEVER...

With Alien Covenant and the Announcement of a Doppelganger Fassbender, i thought ... why not say TWO Androids... so i pondered something had to be different with the other role Fassbender plays... and indeed Fire and Stone gave us the Synthetic Construct Elden who was part Synthetic and Organic and could be infected by the Black Goo.

So i wondered and even debated on here after AC was announced at what if they are going to have Fassbender play a Synthetic Construct?  As Ridley did hint we would find out why the Xenomorph was Bio-Mechanical in this movie... and clearly the one in the Trailer is Organic.

Down the Line their was a 4Chan post about David using Synthetic DNA to create the Xeno,  and this promoted the Infamous WALTERMORPH Debate that Chris started here... that was not to other websites Cup of Tea lol

This was just speculation and nothing was official it was only a so called 4Chan leak after all (not the 4Chan Screeners erm)

However Chris was asked by FOX to remove the quotes about the Android DNA etc.

Does this mean we have a Waltermorph?

We can speculate, but so far its hard to so... as far as a Plot Device you would say it could be.. but its a bit too much on the nose...

Then again so is a David switching with Walter.

But then we have to ask.... WHY WOULD A SYNTHETIC

Have a BRAIN?

Or indeed a internal component that looks like a Brain, why do this for the Aesthetic? I can understand the need for a Synthetic to look Human on the outside but i dont know why their internal Synthetic Machinery needs to replicate the look of actual Human Organs?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPMar-12-2017 6:12 PM

As far as the Crudup (Oram) Chest Buster, this was a Mystery as indeed the shot in the trailer did not match the look of Crudup and even the T-Shirt was Lighter.

I wandered are they using Stunt Doubles? or is this a different Chest Busted Character?

So on another Topic i posted the image of one of the Billy Crudup Stunt Doubles..  Toby Fuller here is another shot

And the first shot i used as in the other reply by someone else, does seem match some features and Hairline and Nose.

Here is the main Stunt Double though and we can see Damien Bryson does not look like the Chestburster victim

   

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPMar-12-2017 6:20 PM

Which makes me wonder a few things...

Who was the Mystery Guy with Daniels in-front of the Temple? it seemed to match Rigby a bit from behind, but surely that scene happens after he gets Back Burstered... could it had been Scaletti? but he is not part of the Covenant Crew Last Super Video.  That does not mean we cant have other cast who come to play after in the movie.

Then i looked at Demian Bichir Stunt Double.. as i would think the Person making a Last Stand with Daniels would surely be a main Character or Secret one.. (hence Franco theories which are proved false due to his Hair etc in the Last Supper)

Anyway Bichir Stunt Double is Sean Button

  

Which in the black and white image does pass off as a Rigby Look-alike  and the other kind of matches the Hair of the Mystery Person.

Then we have the shot of Rigby we assume being brought back with Ejogo and again the shot does not look like Rigby.

I did fear, and as i posted on topics related.. that maybe Ridley Scott has used Stunt Doubles for up close shots..

We can forgive the Mystery Guy scene as its from behind.. butt he others where we clearly see the faces is not a mistake i would expect from a Veteran like Ridley Scott

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPMar-12-2017 6:22 PM

Sorry for being off Topic.. but seems this post is touching upon more than the Davids Lab..

As far as this scene goes, they do seem to explain it as David, maybe no name is mentioned... and they assume its David because they hear them say they have been working on many experiments... which must mean its David.  Plus Accent is different.

But then its going to be interesting to see when/how David changed his Hair and more so.. where he got those Clothes as he clearly never had them at the end of Prometheus.

But then Shaw never had any Dog Tags.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

auximenes

FacehuggerMember137 XPMar-13-2017 12:02 AM

Not seeing any dog tags on her in Prometheus doesn't mean she didn't have some. Wouldn't all of the crew have tags?

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-13-2017 1:39 PM

auximenes, I would expect that every member of the crew had a small ID key card on them for access to parts of the Prometheus ship the crew had permission to enter.

Shasta cyclone

FacehuggerMember281 XPMar-13-2017 2:38 PM

I'm on the Walter train, glad I'm not the only one who thinks it.

Off topic but also with the eggs let's not forget David could have experimented with indigenous animals/life forms

Shasta cyclone

FacehuggerMember281 XPMar-13-2017 2:52 PM

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-14-2017 5:42 PM

Really great images Shasta cyclone.

I believe Walter is what brings biomechanical together. And it is so great Walter has harnessed the ac***ulated knowledge of our species to add to whatever the technology is embedded in the black goo (if that's what happens).

The biomechanical meany doesn't waste time showing how smart it is. It seems like the biomechanical xenomorph is in a rush to extinguish humans.

Yes, I'm sure David 8 would exhaust every option with any life form left after what killed the Engineers shown on Paradise or what he had on the juggernaut ship (sleeping Engineers?).

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-19-2017 7:52 PM

A trailer for this topic has been uploaded to YouTube. 

Thank you all contributors.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwyNYNcR59pbLUGn4_qhx8Q

 

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-22-2017 7:46 AM

Here are enhanced images from the workshop where David 8 supposedly carried out his anatomy studies.

The upright silver-colored object casting a shadow on the table looks like a microscope and tray.

Apex_Predator

FacehuggerMember118 XPMar-22-2017 9:06 AM

If its a waltermorph or davidmorph it will be a total cop out. Anyways is there any one stating for a fact the xeno is biomechanical? 

Want some candy?

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-22-2017 4:52 PM

I kind of favor the biomechanical creation coming from Walter Apex_Predator. Walter is another reach by Weyland-Yutani Corporation into something not fully understood, a hybrid synthetic/organic product. David 8 may take advantage of this product with unknown origin black goo technology. 

My way of looking at the xenomorph term is: a visitor or foreign agent applied to local biology. Whatever the black goo is (and origin), the effects seems to amplify the biology it is applied to. The black goo sure amplified Fifield in Prometheus.

Sean Fifield, after sleeping in black goo, was hostile and able to surgically place himself at the foot of the ship bay door before restoring his helmet cam for Captain Janek to notice and task the crew to check it out. Fifield showed traits of being radically-aware of his surroundings as if his senses were as strong as the physical traits seen.

Walter is biomechanical as I understand it.

Some how, the DNA of customers is provided to cultivate instinct ("consciousness imprint") in Walter for the customers.

What better territory is there for David 8 to work in to create something to wipe out humanity?

An organism with imbedded human instinct and the capacity to hold an incredible amount of knowledge mixed with the exotic strengths of a synthetic could be a real challenge for all the shareholders.

Walter seems to be humanity's best shot at transcending biology and Walter may used to wipe out all of humanity if he is harvested by David 8. 

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