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Were the Engineers (Nephilim) on LV-223 attacked by Watchers that kept their first estate?
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MemberPraetorianMar-02-2017 8:32 AM

“From the Engineers' perspective, so long as humans retained that notion of self-sacrifice as central, we weren't entirely beyond redemption. But we went and screwed it all up, and the film hints at when, if not why: the Engineers at the base died two thousand years ago.

That suggests that the event that turned them against us and led to the huge piles of dead Engineers lying about was one and the same event. 

We did something very, very bad, and somehow the consequences of that dreadful act accompanied the Engineers back to LV-223 and massacred them.  If you have uneasy suspicions about what 'a bad thing approximately 2,000 years ago' might be, then let me reassure you that you are right.” interview with Ridley Scott regarding Prometheus (2012)


Vigilent Citizen covered the Prometheus, Watcher, Nephilim connection in the below article:

BigDave covered this connection in the cloak analysis from Chris in the comments.

Dr. Shaw's notes

Dr. Shaw’s notes equate the statues, archeological temple ruin sites, local history and legend to the Watcher descendent Nephilim builders (giants) of Earth’s early civilization. 

Did Watchers that kept their first estate (see The Book of Enoch and the poem Paradise Lost) attack the Engineers (Nephilim) of LV-223 with a deacon alien(s) around 2000 years ago?

It appears that someone did due to the scream that was heard at the beginning of the Engineer holographic playback David initiated at the wall panel when the group from Prometheus arrived at the pyramid.

Thank you Chris for pointing this attack out in the summer of 2012,
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MemberNeomorphMar-02-2017 9:20 AM

whether they were attacked by watchers, keepers or a rival faction of their own kind, it makes for a dam good story. they r definitely attacked by something on lv223, put there by someone rather than an accident, as the pile of corpses would suggest someone landed on the planet after the attack.


MemberPraetorianMar-02-2017 9:55 AM

It starts out with the friends they keep. If young Engineers start to listen to the wrong flute music and hang out with other rebellious Engineers, then they run the risk of the Watchers sending deacons to get the house in order.

Dr. Curt Connors

MemberChestbursterMar-02-2017 11:08 AM

I too believe the engineers were wiped out by something that left them right where they were, like the set report mentioned of a Pompeii like event, and it was thousands of years ago like the ones who have been dead on LV-223. What exactly happened to them? I'm not entirely sure but something took them out and it would make sense if it was all around the same time these events occurred.


MemberPraetorianMar-05-2017 1:25 PM

Tenoracity started a great topic explaining the concepts included above in 2013.


MemberPraetorianMar-05-2017 2:27 PM

Dr. Curt Connors, you may be right. Michael Biehn mentioned this below in 2015.

“I know that Ridley [Scott]”s focus is on the second 'Prometheus' and I”m sure that he and Fox both don”t want that and Neill”s movie to come out right next to each other, because they”re kind of two different worlds, with 'Aliens' taking place thousands of years later, which is how they explained it all to me, but at the same time, they want to give them a similar feel. I know they”re putting the brakes on Neill”s movie just for a little while, but I really think that it would be embarrassing to Ridley and Fox and Sigourney if they just didn”t make the movie.”

Michael Biehn mentions events that occur thousands of years before the events of Aliens. The attack on LV-223 was about two thousand years ago.

This attack may be shown in Alien: Covenant as well as the attack on Paradise which could have been David 8 or those that attacked LV-223 thousands of years ago.


MemberFacehuggerMar-06-2017 12:07 PM

In alien steel egg, there is an alien race called the giff that are at war with the engineers and have mastery of the xenomorph.


MemberPraetorianMar-07-2017 4:21 PM

Babylonxeno Are the giff those who developed the black goo technology?


MemberDeaconMar-07-2017 6:35 PM

"Michael Biehn mentions events that occur thousands of years before the events of Aliens. The attack on LV-223 was about two thousand years ago."

Indeed i mentioned this a long time ago, when Alien Covenant was announced and the 10 years after Prometheus setting.. and so i dont think Michael Biehn making it up... as he said that this was how it was explained to him...

Which backs up the Source i had, who seemed to hint in some part the movie would cover events from the past.. Flash Back Style...   so i think this is what Michael Biehn got his information from too.. in that Ridley/Fox must have said that some of Alien Covenant or even ideas prior were set THOUSANDS of years before Aliens

As far as the Watchers goes... indeed its a theory i have debated a number of times, when i considered that LV-223 was maybe a Outpost these Space Gardeners Watched over their creations from and even brought Specimens to Experiment on and Evolve and then Plant back onto Earth.

Like a Gardener would experiment with new hybrids of plants in a Greenhouse/Nursery before they decide to plant them in the Garden.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberPraetorianMar-07-2017 6:52 PM

Thank you BigDave. Ridley Scott mentioned the Romans and losing their way as far as humanity is concerned.

I wonder if the attack on LV-223 was to stop the Engineers from wiping out humanity when the Romans ruled the world? And the juggernaut on LV-246 was a casualty of this same attack.

That would be around 2000 years ago in the same time frame as the carbon dated dead Engineer Dr. Holloway and Dr. Shaw tested outside the door that decapitated him (Engineer) on LV-223.


MemberDeaconMar-07-2017 7:24 PM

Who knows... the thing is its so ambiguous that it allows for many possibilities.

I was thinking and being drawn to kind of Ridleys Comment about Jesus... which is not that there was a Jesus... but the Engineers saw the error of our ways and in order to put us back in check they sent a Emissary..  they could have sent more than one..

And maybe some remained in areas that was not as Rebellious and Sinful like the Middle East and Roman Empire, some cultures kept to the worship and practices that pleased the Engineers. This could explain the Post 2000 year ago other Star Maps such as those found in Mayan and Hawaii.

So if you read into Ridleys Comments not to literally, then these Engineers or whoever had grown upset with how we was turning out and behaving and before pulling the Plug.. they had not given up all HOPE... they send down a EMISSARY maybe a few.

When one of these was killed, these beings then realized that we had gone to far, and eventually the rebellious influences that go against the Ancient Cultures and Rules laid down for us would spread to other areas of the World.

And look at how we have turned out now...?  How much of Mankind would be breaking things like the 10 Commandments all the time?  If the Engineers was shocked how we behaved in the Roman Times... its only got much worse now.. thus their Fears was correct.

And so in that context... if before they decided to Pull the Plug, some of them thought Mankind could be Changed and Saved...

Who is to say after we killed their Emissaries.. that some Engineers still felt we should be Saved or that wiping us out would be going to Far?

Maybe some had Fear of what results could be if the Black Goo infected Earth, would the consequences be dire?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberPraetorianMar-07-2017 7:26 PM

Here is a close up of the golden bell-like structure on top of the Engineer temple.

You can make it out at the top of the below image.


MemberDeaconMar-07-2017 7:32 PM

A lot depends on Ridley Scott and where they are going now..

A few FACTS he had made prior are as follows.

*Engineers and Space Jockey are related they are like brothers.

*Juggernaught and Derelict have the same purpose.. Bio-logical Warfare

*The Space Jockey was heading to a undisclosed location but he was infected and he did not get FAR.... Hint that the departure was not far from LV-426

*The Space Jockey Event happened within a few hundred years of the Outbreak that killed all those Engineers... so thats the 1800-2200 year ago Ball Park

*Something in his Cargo had Evolved and it got to him.

*The Derelict did not crash, it was its destination once the Space Jockey was infected.. he had set this course to Quarantine the Cargo and Warn his fellow Race. But he was Chest Busted during the landing.

With the clues in Prometheus and Chest Busted Engineers i can only assume something had led to those Chest Busted Engineers who was on that Juggernaught.

The Space Jockey ship, went into shut down mode and again Space Jockey maybe went into Cryo-sleep too... he was however also infected... but he managed to get into Cryo-sleep in time unlike the other Engineers on that Juggernaught.

He slept for 200 years and awoke and then proceeded with his Mission but then realized he was infected...

Out Last Engineer in Prometheus simply overslept.. his alarm clock did not go off..

That was my most logical explanation based off Ridleys Comments and Prometheus... and i felt the Hammerpedes could have been the KEY

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberPraetorianMar-07-2017 7:34 PM

Thank you BigDave. The fear you speak of ties into the Paradise Lost concepts as well when threatening the apple of someone's eye, humanity. The rebellious angels wanted nothing more that to destroy that.

Great analysis.


MemberDeaconMar-07-2017 7:39 PM

Indeed this is a interesting Shot... the Cathedral..

It does look like a Odd piece of Technology a the Top of it, and it does Look Gold.

I can see maybe a loose connection to the Anunnaki Tale... about the Mining of Gold thats needed to protect their home-worlds Atmosphere...  Maybe this is what the Temple does and overtime the Gold needs replacing?

It could also fit with the Norse Tales such as  Richard Wagners tale of The Ring of the Nibelung, which David is rumored to play a peice on a Piano in the Prologue.. but we also have Norse Tale of Odins Ring Draupnir too

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberOvomorphMar-07-2017 8:12 PM

We all know at least one thing:  Ridley Scott is a huge Ancient Aliens fan.


MemberOvomorphMar-07-2017 8:15 PM

Golden bell-like structure on top of the Engineer temple?  Hmmm...


MemberPraetorianMar-07-2017 8:20 PM

"Die Glocke", really great bell concept link (above) Ash81.


MemberOvomorphMar-07-2017 8:26 PM



MemberPraetorianMar-19-2017 7:50 PM

A trailer for this topic has been uploaded to YouTube.

Thank you all contributors.


MemberOvomorphMar-24-2017 1:23 PM

(from another of my posts)


LV-223 was attacked by Predators. I can supply three obvious clues.


1) Green goo in the hallway? Only place in this universe (well, expanded) I've seen green goo is Predator blood. The sound / scream you hear isn't a deacon, it is an unhelmed Predator doing his war cry.


2) Those chest holes weren't bursts. They were high-caliber weapon shots in the back ... since they were running from something with a gun. Exit wounds. Remember the big holes they made in the humans in the Predator movies? Makes more sense than chest bursts because ...


3) Why the heck would 20+ Engineers end up in a dead end and then all chest burst, but fall in a neat pile? They would at least writhe in pain, fight, partially run away, etc. They were piled there by their attackers.


Theory, yes, but makes far more sense to me.


MemberDeaconMar-24-2017 3:20 PM

Who knows...

The Urns do have Predator Writing on them

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberPraetorianMar-25-2017 8:49 AM

Thank you Odencrantz.

Good images of the example writing BigDave.

I interpret the above image as Engineers climbing over each other to try and get in that room after they were infected with black goo. That room was never opened in Prometheus.

In agreement with BigDave, this room below I believe was a "clean" room segregated and sealed in order to house the black goo.

The room the Engineers were trying to get into above most likely has a unique use that the afflicted Engineers thought could help them First Aid or technology used to protect Engineers or heal them.

Nathan Adler

MemberFacehuggerAug-27-2019 3:51 PM

Dr Shaw's illustrations of the builders are too tall to be the Engineers shown in Prometheus, they are more in line with the height of the Space Jockey, suggesting it is his race that "shepherded/ lorded over us". So where in the hierarchy they sit compared with the Engineers on LV-223 and Planet 4 is anyone’s guess from here.


MemberDeaconAug-27-2019 5:46 PM

Thats a Good Point...

We have to Remember our Engineers were intended to be 15ft, then 12-15ft and then 10ft Once Production Began..

But alas the Illusion was not Created with the way RS had gone about it.

Another thing to Consider is that Ancient Cultures used to Depict the Leaders/Kings etc as being TALLER so that they Stand Out, as Important Persons...

So Exaggeration is used.

But this is the Basis of Speculation regarding the Ancient Astronaut/Chariots of the Gods, that those Depictions are Actually the Size of those Gods/Persons of Ancient Royalty... (in some Cultures).

So indeed as Prometheus was based of such Theories... then those 7-8ft Engineers certainly dont fit the 12-15ft Bill for the Space Jockey.

"So where in the hierarchy they sit compared with the Engineers on LV-223 and Planet 4 is anyone’s guess from here."

Indeed it is quite open...

Remember we have in some Mythos/Religion.




so we have in Prometheus..

Engineers/Mankind  which unless the Prefix is Planet 4 Engineers/LV-223 Engineers/Mankind.

Then you could Insert some other Race.


R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberDeaconAug-27-2019 6:19 PM


I forgot to reply more on the Engineers running to that Room, the Room those Bodies are Piled up by, DOES Lead to Another Room.

If we look at the Prometheus Draft by Damien Lindeloff, called Paradise, then the Infected Engineers are Running towards a HUGE Chasm....  in order to KILL themselves likely to Prevent what could Happen NEXT!

So again with Prometheus i think it could be that Running to Certain Rooms could HALT the Infection, so they then have TIME to Plan what to do NEXT.

Here is another Map.

Indicates there are a Number of Larger Rooms all over the Complex, so they could LIKELY have the same Protective/Sterile Environment as the Big Head Room (B)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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