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What if... Alien was remade?

What if... Alien was remade?

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Gavin

TrilobiteMember9516 XPJul-13-2016 1:50 PM

With a needless reboot of a certain childhood favorite of mine hitting cinema's this week like a sloppy fish across the face, it made me wonder how far studios really are prepared to go with this reboot, remake, reset, and redux phase Hollywood seems to be relishing in at the minute. Reboots and remakes can be a good thing but only when handled right, Planet of the Apes is a perfect example of this with Tim Burtons 2001 remake missing the point entirely despite having truly stellar make-up effects, yet 2011's Rise of the Planet of the Apes proved to be a highly effective and heart warming first instalment in a highly successful reboot of the franchise.

In terms of box office takings, both the first two installments of the Alien franchise earned back ten times their production budget. The latter two sequels and 2012's prequel Prometheus have continued to earn a profit, but that profit is gradually declining as the franchise continues, partly due to increasing production budgets but also due to a gradually disenchanted fan-based audience. If things continue in this fashion it is only a matter of time before 20th Century Fox decide to remake our beloved Alien franchise.

Remakes usually retread the familiar main beats of the original movie upon which they are based, with some occasionally adding a twist to the setting or underlying theme, much like how 2012's Total Recall was not set on Mars like its 1990 predecessor. How would this affect an Alien remake? Would the Nostromo be technologically more advanced? Would the design of the Derelict and its pilot be changed? What of the antagonist itself, what redesigns would it undergo in such a remake?

Another aspect of a remake is the characters and their dynamics. 2014's RoboCop remake swapped Nancy Allen's Officer Anne Lewis for Michael K. Williams' Officer Jack Lewis. How would the Nostromo's crew fair in a remake? Would Kane still birth the deadly creature? Would Ash still be a synthetic acting under company special orders? Would Ripley still be a woman, and would they still be the lone survivor?

How would an Alien remake be marketed? Would it remain as a dark horror exploring the unsettling aspects of meeting such a deadly alien race, or would it follow the action movie likings of James Cameron's sequel? Even worse, could an Alien remake be mainstreamed into a PG-13 summer blockbuster?

Finally, could an Alien remake surpass the original? Is it possible that a director, with the right production and creative team, could avoid all of the pitfalls and faux-pas' previous directors in the franchise have made and make a better movie than Ridley Scott's classic original?

119 Responses to What if... Alien was remade?

MonsterZero

XenomorphMember1330 XPJul-15-2016 3:29 PM

I'd like to have a little more Cosmic horror. One of the things I like about the Engineers...THEY will bring the horror to your doorstep. Xenomorphs stay put...you have to engage them. Zeno's aren't hopping in flying saucers and invading Earth. Weyland Yutani are the Cosmic horrors, trying to bring back some xenomorphs or goo back to Earth.

S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPJul-15-2016 5:09 PM

"Which one is Sevastopol?"

Aorta

FacehuggerMember316 XPJul-15-2016 5:56 PM

Ah. Yes I zoomed in on that one because it looked like the Nostromo refinery falling apart, and then realized that's from the game. There's a real downfall to doing this all from one's phone. Thank you!

storm33

OvomorphMember2 XPJul-16-2016 4:31 AM

A remake/reboot would have EPIC FAIL written all over it. Just... don't, don't even think about it. The end.

S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPJul-16-2016 6:17 PM

Why?

Durp004

FacehuggerMember425 XPJul-17-2016 11:27 AM

There seem to be a group of people that view Alien as above the need to remake, or ability to do so.

I'm sorry but if King Kong can be remade/rebooted so many times in the years it's been out, nothing is out of bounds for a remake.

BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPJul-17-2016 12:41 PM

Its as i have said, we can remake it as far as touch upon the same material and plot, without having to class it as a replacement for Alien.

The movie had these few themes for the backbone.

*unaware Human Crew of a Space Ship.

*Investigating a signal, on a Alien World/Moon

*Discover a Alien Ship with a deadly cargo

*Potentially lured them via undercover mission unknown to the crew apart from a assigned Android.

The originally idea added to the above and changed it, that there was no undercover Android or hidden company Agenda... they ship just happened to be near by and discovered a SOS....

The Egg Chamber was not the cargo but part of another Structure.

And so these Elements can be incorporated into a new story that does not have to rule out or replace the Original Movie.

Besides i think Alien Covenant could touch upon those elements that where never used in Alien

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Diz

FacehuggerMember127 XPJul-17-2016 1:18 PM

Well, at the end of the day, despite my wishes to the contrary, just about every time I've watched a "directors cut" or "added scenes", or even re-read a book with added material, it never equaled the original.  I'm not sure why.

But when it comes to sci-fi, I tend to make an exception, because I really appreciate the re-done FX.  After watching all those cheesy sci-fi movies from the 50's and 60's, when I see really awesome FX the new technology gives us, I'm always seem to be thinking: "damn, if they just re-did my favorite movie, like Alien with it, it would make the whole experience so much richer, visually.  But the reality is, trying to get Ridley Scott to re-do his masterpiece, with all the bull**** interference from the Hollywood asshats and tools; yeah damn near impossible.

It HAS been done, but no easy task to pull off.  I liked the Total Recall re-make.  Also Godzilla was pretty good.  Ditto Planet of the Apes.  Yes even some of the Batman/Superman stuff.  The Star Trek stuff is pretty good. 

The problem is with any long-running franchise, like Alien or Star Wars, which started at the end of the industrial age, and continued into the information age, there is such a huge gap in FX technology.  After watching Prometheus, it's almost painful to watch Alien or Aliens.  For example, Cameron's Space Marines are laughable, with their cobbled together Viet-nam era military and sports kit.    

       

BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPJul-18-2016 8:23 AM

I think for those reasons... yes we could see a Re-boot but not for a long time..

They are trying tie in Alien Covenant and its sequels to Alien and maybe Ripley (hope not to much) they are planning a Alien 5 with Miss Weaver too....  no doubt a Alien 6 will happen after Alien 5 with who ever is cast as Newt taking the reigns and carrying on the story.

So with Fox investing in having a Alien 5-6 potentially on the cards over the next 10 years that tie directly to Alien and Aliens...

And with a Alien Covenant and Sequels to tie directly into Alien at some point while also tying to Prometheus.

I cant see FOX Re-boot a Alien as in to replace the movie.

But we cant rule out a Re-boot down the line but i doubt it within the next 20 years.

But again we have to ask.....WHY DOES IT NEED A REMAKE?

The effects where good, the movie was great and yes the Ships interior had that 70's Sci-Fi Ship look but the only reasons to REMAKE it are to make a more realistic interior and maybe better effects Xenomorph..

But then the practice effects stand the tide of time... only the Adult Xeno in a few shots could have been improved, but it would take TOP TOP CGI of which even Prometheus never quite matched...

And the Alien was only shown a few times in the dark and thats what made the Movie work so well.... having  a part CGI and Part state of the Art Prospectics Xeno would be a improvement but then are we showcasing these effects by seeing the Monster more on screen?

For how little we saw of it and how well the effects was in Alien i dont see the purpose for it..

So the only reasons for a Remake are....

1) Include elements that was intended but left out... i.e Temple Complex and Egg Silo, maybe Murals and Frescos but would this take away the Mystery.. and Alien Covenant can touch upon these.

2) Modernize the Ships design.... which to be fair apart from CRT Monitors and Mother.... the ships looked fine.. Prometheus made the error of making a more Modern and different ship.....  

Again i think Alien Covenant will give us a Ship like in Alien but with a modern touch and i dont expect everything to be as Nice as Prometheus.

We cant guarantee that in 100 years time if we can send ships into space regularly that they would all have that Polished look that Prometheus and say the Enterprise or Voyage do in Star Trek.

They could have a basic look like in Alien but only replacing CRT Screens etc with Flat Screens and Touch Screens.

In fact this image captures it Perfectly...

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPJul-18-2016 8:25 AM

so those two reasons for a Remake i said above... are elements that Alien Covenant and its sequels could actually cover.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Michelle Johnston

ChestbursterMember763 XPJul-18-2016 9:10 AM

I love film, not horror, or sci fi but film. A L I E N is one of a handful of truly original films which goes beyond its flaws to make it special in a unique and timeless way. The Ape reboot is an example of a reboot of an original which has a great idea but the original was not a great movie. A L I E N  was great idea and is a great movie. The 50's and 60's sci fi movies "Quatermass" and "W of T W' still work for me as does "One of Our Aircraft Is Missing", "Shangri la" and "Its A Wonderful Life' - lightening in a bottle.     

I am cautiously optimistic that the reboot that began with Prom is worthy of A L I E N but if they attempted an entirely separate reboot I think a PLANNED sequence which had confidence in the narrative and was not constrained by budget restrictions would be worthy of consideration. More along the lines of the original Prometheus 2 a separate but connected vision which dealt with the mythos from a different angle with the Zeno only touched upon. All the themes can be there but a radical recasting of the notion to the point that A L I E N remains rather than is replaced.

I agree with Ridley the beast is cooked for my generation the only thing that will make it interesting is the answers to the questions he is posing the John Logan element. I do not doubt the Zenomorph will be used heavily in the advertising for placement but if the movie is going to work it has to be a lot more than a horror flick  just as reboot would need to be.      

MonsterZero

XenomorphMember1330 XPJul-18-2016 11:25 AM

Beast is cooked...but the fans still want Xenomorph action!

Ridley introduced the Engineers....but that's didn't catch on..

One Engineer: capable of killing billions...wiping trillions of organisms from the face of your planet....fans 'meh'

One Xeno: capable of killing your crew(10-15 humans!)...unless you have weapons..then it's a even match.

Maybe Ridley can introduce a creature that will make the fans move on from the zeno fixation.

Diz

FacehuggerMember127 XPJul-18-2016 11:32 AM

BravoDelta:  Yeah those tiny flat screens in the original movie are so antique, along with all the blinking LED lights in the mother comms well (what the hell was that all about?! Ooh blinky blinky, in my best Homer Simpson voice).

As to a "grimy" used look in a space-faring ship vs the slick look of Prometheus et al.  The question is will we need POLs (petroleum, oils, and lubricants) in a space ship the same way as today's vehicles.  My best guess is no.  I think the POL's will be so advanced that they will not leave a lot of greasy residue like today's products.  So the grimy lived-in look may be anachronistic to space travel.  Compare a WWI fighter to a modern-age one.  So much mechanical has been replaced with electro-mechanical.  Battery technology will be so advanced that internal combustion engines will be all but obsolete.  Whatever the main engines are, I would bet there won't be a lot of oil and grease involved.

So my best guess is the Prometheus look will be closer to the mark.   And yeah, the A:C ****pit looks spot on with updated avionics.         

Durp004

FacehuggerMember425 XPJul-18-2016 12:07 PM

@Monsterzero

 

I think a lot of that is to do with the quality of the movie. Fans are "meh" about the engineers because frankly the movie based around the engineers is meh. Meanwhile the Xenomorph has 2 genre defining movies under its belt.

 

If you want to make people care about something else, you have to make a movie that grabs them as much as the xenomorph's movies do and for most people I think it's fair to say Prometheus did not.

 

Adding to the designs with xeno being leagues ahead of buff bald albinos aka engineers.

Michelle Johnston

ChestbursterMember763 XPJul-18-2016 12:35 PM

@Monster Zero

Curiously most of the criticism of Prometheus, which I do not share, is about whats there, not whats missing. People do not like the Shaw character or the Milburn/Fifield scene indeed they do not like anybody. They are puzzled about how it "fits" with A L I E N not that a Zeno is missing. That is the Lindelof factor he is light on exposition and wants us to give ourselves permission to use our imagination rather than be spoon fed. I think for a tent pole it did need more threading but again I say where is the demand for the Zeno.

I think it comes out of the internet response to A. 5. Personally I wouldn't read to much into that it feels like a desire for nostalgia rather like in the rock world where bands are playing entire albums for the baby boomers. Playing you favourite album in concert is one thing, repeating the same tropes in a movie yet again will bite you in the bum.

The other difficulty with Prometheus is the threat is not anthropomorphic it is existential almost in the imagining rather than the reality. Very briefly it becomes person centred first Weyland then the surviving Engineer then the Trilobite then the Deacon. Notice the domino effect, because the real threat is the movies ideas the proposition of it. 

We have the ideas, now watch the narrative harden on Paradise.       

Patient Leech

FacehuggerMember158 XPJul-18-2016 12:43 PM

@MonsterZero

Beast is cooked...but the fans still want Xenomorph action!

Sure, if done right.

Ridley introduced the Engineers....but [that] didn't catch on..

Wrong. The Engineers are the most interesting thing in the series now.

Maybe Ridley can introduce a creature that will make the fans move on from the [xeno] fixation.

That would be cool!

Thoughts_Dreams

NeomorphMember1691 XPJul-18-2016 1:17 PM

 

Monster Zero:

 

I think that they could make AC a movie that isn’t Xeno centered but they need to make a lot better characters than Prometheus had. What is needed is characters that get into situations where we sympathize with their struggles and Prometheus for the most part didn’t have that. As a matter of fact I would welcome a movie that isn’t Xeno centered but they need good human characters. The Engineers could be interesting but they got to make things make sense and still have some mystery about it while still make it a (credible) threat.

 

One thing that they need to show is the intentions of the Engineers and make a good story about why they are threatening. Having them as a megalomaniac specie that is mad at humanity and wants to kill us all. This could be done well but we will see.

Thoughts_Dreams

NeomorphMember1691 XPJul-18-2016 1:18 PM

Durp 004:

 

I think that if they made the Engineers like megalomaniacs with a will to power above everyone else that could be a scary thing but it has got to be done right. They need to make credible human characters that we care about something that Prometheus didn’t.

Thoughts_Dreams

NeomorphMember1691 XPJul-18-2016 1:19 PM

Michelle J:

 

You wrote:

 

“People do not like the Shaw character or the Milburn/Fifield scene indeed they do not like anybody.”

 

I like some characters but I don’t like Shaw or Fifield and Milburn. David and the captain (Idris Elba) were good but there were too few characters that they got right and honestly I didn’t care for most of them. Some of them were just there for what reason exactly? Alien made this right and made likeable characters but in Prometheus there were too few of these. Sure it would have been better tied to the Xeno and have been less ambiguous but the characters were the main problem IMO.

 

The main problem is that they got a writer that can’t write good characters or the editing process (maybe a combination of these two). Hopefully they will get it right for AC.

MonsterZero

XenomorphMember1330 XPJul-18-2016 2:50 PM

@Michelle Johnston

"The other difficulty with Prometheus is the threat is not anthropomorphic it is existential almost in the imagining rather than the reality."

I agree. Nice insight! I would be traumatized by seeing Jonesy bitten in half then 'hearing' about the death of 10 billion Earthlings.

Me: "10 billion dead?! Wow! that's a lot!"

Me: *chomp* "Jonesy dead!?! NO !!! They can't kill Jonesy! OMG!! NO!"

S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPJul-18-2016 3:02 PM

"A L I E N is one of a handful of truly original films which goes beyond its flaws to make it special in a unique and timeless way. "

Alien is many things. I'm not sure "original" is one of them.

"Wrong. The Engineers are the most interesting thing in the series now."

Is that why Ridley changed his mind to move back towards the Aliens, when he previously said he wouldn't?

BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPJul-18-2016 3:32 PM

"Is that why Ridley changed his mind to move back towards the Aliens, when he previously said he wouldn't?"

I think we have to remember that FOX are in control... if FOX decided... hey Prometheus was a disappointment, fans never got it like we wanted to... was it really a good idea to change the movie and have no Xeno explanations or Xenos?

Hey fans did not quite buy the ambiguity or those Engineers, seems like the whole Gods things is boring to them....  but wow the internet is a buzz with Alien 5..

Hey guys i think we need to concentrate on the Xeno this time... also why not link Ripley Rights.... "yeah thats Frickin Cool"

And what about if those Engineers Stole the Black Goo from the Predators...."yeah that would work..."

They then present this to Ridley and he says no way Go F yourself...

If Fox think this is what the fans would want and it would sell..... then Fox would just get someone else in... and Predators as God here we go...

THATS NOT TO SAY WHATS GOING ON

Just basically Fox will do what they think the mass of fans would rather have and what would draw more general fans in.... and ultimately MONEY!

Its like in hindsight they look at Spaights draft and Lindeloffs and think which will make the big bucks...

But then Fox liked the idea of trying something new, they was all up for those changes... it appears Ridley like Spaights draft but then agreed with tone down the Xeno and those few changes..

I think in hindsight and looking at the buzz that is around Alien 5, Fox have felt that a more Xeno based movie that connects to Alien and Ripley is whats needed rather than a Engineers and what else they get up to apart from Xenomorphs.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPJul-18-2016 3:49 PM

We also have to consider this....

Alien 5 has got anticipation built upon it... Fan Boys seem pleased, General Public will recognize the Xenomorphs and Ripley...  Its familiar....

They movie is also trying to touch upon some interesting new Concepts... related to different strands of Xeno DNA....Potential Egg Morph and Xeno Cycle and Agenda... and also Space Jockey/Engineer Tech.

And so it could as Ridley said, have conflicted with how it was to show a few elements connected to either or all of..

*Engineers Technology and Ships...

*What becomes of Engineer ships, was in Alien franchise the Derelict the only one to be had?

*Xenomorph Life Cycle and Origins.. and Purpose

*Role of the Engineers and Ships in this all

*Potentially more clues to LV-426 maybe LV-223 as far as prior to Alien and Prometheus and Post

some of these could conflict with Prometheus 2... and how Eventually Ridleys Prometheus 2 and 3 would explain maybe.

*Xeno and Engineer Connection.

*Xeno Origins... why/when and how

* What became of the Xeno after this Origin, or what became of LV-223 and LV-426 was the Space Jockey connected to those events?

*What happened to LV-223 post and prior to that outbreak...

*Why was the Xeno created to use on us, and why was we created in the first place if to just be destroyed.

*What is left of the Xenomorph and related biology and Engineers Technology by the time of Alien... is the Derelict and its Cargo the only source of Engineer Tech and Xeno DNA?

These things connected to Alien they would have wanted to answer, but they also wanted to answer other things and explore other things..

If these Alien connections was to be answered at the end of a 3rd movie.... 

THEN WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM....

If Alien 5 wished to touch upon things, that if it did so would spoil the answers or leave no reasons for Prometheus 2-3 to cover them.. if Alien 5 answers the potential CLIFF HANGER that a Prometheus 2 leaves that a Prometheus 3 would answer...

Do they then put Alien 5 on hold untill Prometheus 3 is Finished and Ridleys Prequels done and Answers to the Xeno... why/when and how.... its connection to Engineers and Space Jockey and clues to the Space Jockey and Cargo...

by the time Ridley is finished with this... would the buzz and anticipation for Alien 5 had died...  as people lose interest in waiting for Ridley to cover his prequels so that Alien 5 cant tread on there toes..

There is a risk of this especially of Prometheus 2 and 3 bombed.....

BY CHANGING A FEW THINGS

They can have a movie that would give more Xeno Clues but hold some back....  and then allow Alien 5 to touch upon a few things that if it came out first would SPOIL or Answer somethings Ridley wanted to tackle with the Prometheus 2nd installment... or 3rd..

So this is what i think has happened... if think Alien 5 will have connections to Alien Covenant and Alien...

Alien Covenant would also have some connections to Prometheus..

But it would allow Alien 5 to showcase Xenos and Engineer Tech without spoiling anything...  and it would allow a Alien Prequel 3 to then  cover these more... but explore the Engineers more...

By the time we have Alien Covenant and Alien 5 and the 3rd Prequel Movie... then i think ties to Alien would be made... apart from TWO THINGS..

2) The Exact Space Jockey Story... from when he got up in the morning or weeks prior or months to the whole purpose for his mission and then what happened to him...

3) What else is behind these Engineers that does not relate to events on Earth and the Xenomorphs.

 

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

MonsterZero

XenomorphMember1330 XPJul-18-2016 3:55 PM

Agree 100% BigDave.

Fox knows what sells. They are getting back to basics.

Need to put some teeth into the Engineers:

 

"The Engineer dragged a pile of humans into the lab.  He then 'pinned' each subject to the laboratory wall. The Earthlings were drugged and unable to move, only able to watch in horror.   He began shoving large tubes down their throats.  One subject(a small female) rejected the tube...almost regaining use of her body! The Engineer quickly ripped the tube from the subject, removing with it, her lower jaw and part of her trachea......"

BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPJul-18-2016 3:59 PM

I will ask the Question....

Apart from how the Ships Exterior and Interior could be made to look more realistic and better due to latest effects not only CGI but Technology and Advancements in Set Designs.....   And Advancements in Practical Special Effects and CGI to make a new more realistic rendition of HR Gigers 1979 Alien Monster

And also to add to the Movie Plot... the Element of some Temple Complex on that World that was related to the Xenomorph Eggs and then how those Eggs got from this complex to the Derelict.. or vice versa..

What other reason would a Alien Reboot be needed?

If the Re-boot was to again find a SOS and a Derelict with a Cargo of Eggs....  and no Temple...

Then why?  all that could be done is improve the scale of the Ship so that the Egg Cargo is more believable

And so again we dont need a re-boot to show the things that was left out... separate Temple and Egg Silo or a more Modern Technology take on the Xenomorph and Ship....

Another movie could give us nice ships set in the same period as Alien, a more realistic Alien and what connection Temples and Egg Silos or where Eggs are created or stored when not on the Engineer Ships..

In fact i cant see why Alien Covenant and its sequel cant add those things...

And so Alien does not need a Re-boot...

It just needs a coherent Prequel that adds up and connects to Alien rather than contradict it or leave Plot Holes. 

ALIEN  does not need a Re-boot... the Prequels need a Re-boot

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPJul-18-2016 4:02 PM

LOL yeah

I do like that MonsterZero...

I do think this is where we as going.... these Engineers are not the Fancy Pancy Kind God of the Bible who goes Nuts and over the top when you upset him..

Nope there is a darker Agenda.. and these guys are no more friendly to us than people who Run a Slaughter House for Food... or a Lab that tests products on Animals.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

MonsterZero

XenomorphMember1330 XPJul-18-2016 4:03 PM

The only scene in Alien that gives me pause....is the one where they are trying to get Ashes's head to stand upright(after Parker beheaded it). Looks really fake and I always look away when this scene comes on. 

MonsterZero

XenomorphMember1330 XPJul-18-2016 4:09 PM

Thanks BigDave!

A scene like that would have changed my view on the Engineers! 

BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPJul-18-2016 4:12 PM

I think Alien Covenant will attempt to give us those things that Alien had dropped from it... while also giving us a more that touches more on a Alien and Alien 3 Tense Horror and Suspense Flick.

For this to work... the Colony Crew has to be just that...  Maybe we would have a few Guys who can look after themselves or Mercs... but this crew should be more up against the odds than Prometheus Crew ever was...

I also think for that reason a limited number of Xenos would be needed... 2-4 tops.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPJul-18-2016 4:17 PM

I think thats the Problem... they never seemed to have a A-Z idea for the Engineers and purpose...

Its a lot of ideas without thinking how does it all tie in... kind of like make it up as you go along and then change things on the way.

You have to ask when they did those Murals and Frescos.. did they have a reason and explanation for it.. like they knew what the purpose was, but they would tease us with clues so that we can eventually have some answers but keep mystery too yet.. behind the scenes they knew what the connection and purpose was.

Or did they not give it any thought...?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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