What if... Alien was remade?16,771 Views119 RepliesAdd A Reply
With a needless reboot of a certain childhood favorite of mine hitting cinema's this week like a sloppy fish across the face, it made me wonder how far studios really are prepared to go with this reboot, remake, reset, and redux phase Hollywood seems to be relishing in at the minute. Reboots and remakes can be a good thing but only when handled right, Planet of the Apes is a perfect example of this with Tim Burtons 2001 remake missing the point entirely despite having truly stellar make-up effects, yet 2011's Rise of the Planet of the Apes proved to be a highly effective and heart warming first instalment in a highly successful reboot of the franchise.
In terms of box office takings, both the first two installments of the Alien franchise earned back ten times their production budget. The latter two sequels and 2012's prequel Prometheus have continued to earn a profit, but that profit is gradually declining as the franchise continues, partly due to increasing production budgets but also due to a gradually disenchanted fan-based audience. If things continue in this fashion it is only a matter of time before 20th Century Fox decide to remake our beloved Alien franchise.
Remakes usually retread the familiar main beats of the original movie upon which they are based, with some occasionally adding a twist to the setting or underlying theme, much like how 2012's Total Recall was not set on Mars like its 1990 predecessor. How would this affect an Alien remake? Would the Nostromo be technologically more advanced? Would the design of the Derelict and its pilot be changed? What of the antagonist itself, what redesigns would it undergo in such a remake?
Another aspect of a remake is the characters and their dynamics. 2014's RoboCop remake swapped Nancy Allen's Officer Anne Lewis for Michael K. Williams' Officer Jack Lewis. How would the Nostromo's crew fair in a remake? Would Kane still birth the deadly creature? Would Ash still be a synthetic acting under company special orders? Would Ripley still be a woman, and would they still be the lone survivor?
How would an Alien remake be marketed? Would it remain as a dark horror exploring the unsettling aspects of meeting such a deadly alien race, or would it follow the action movie likings of James Cameron's sequel? Even worse, could an Alien remake be mainstreamed into a PG-13 summer blockbuster?
Finally, could an Alien remake surpass the original? Is it possible that a director, with the right production and creative team, could avoid all of the pitfalls and faux-pas' previous directors in the franchise have made and make a better movie than Ridley Scott's classic original?
This is why Covenant confuses me...
They could have gone ahead with a Prometheus 2 and still gave another Alien Prequel... instead of try and Merge the Two..
A Colony Ship by different name could have been on the way to some place that is part terraformed thinking it would be a idea place to start a Earth 2... im thinking of a place more advanced than LV-223 a place that was in the process of being more Earth Like...
Maybe between LV-223 in Prometheus and LV-223 in Fire and Stone....
But this crew uncover this place was just another Facility or a place that the Engineers where setting up before something went wrong... and have this crew then also find clues to Paradise...
Thus separates Shaw and David but connects them too.
This world could have been like the Original from Alien and Star Beast setting just more Terraformed... i.e no need for Space Suits...
This could have been a soft re-boot that then connects to Prometheus... via having either the survivors determine the ship they discover had either departed LV-223 co-ordinates... or Paradises.
This would have gave us Xeno clues... and left Prometheus 2 to touch upon Engineers and purpose for the Xenomorphs...
But i think the movie we are getting combines these ideas into one movie.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
"I think we have to remember that FOX are in control... if FOX decided... "
"If" being the operative word. Ridley isn't going to go down a road he doesn't want to.
"And so Alien does not need a Re-boot..."
How many movies actually need to be made?
Agreed... my point was that if Ridleys vision and Foxes where far apart and Fox wanted to have the Predators being the ones who Engineers Stole the Goo from... if this is where Fox wants to go and Ridley does not, then ultimately Fox will do what they want to do.
But I think there in reality is always a bit of cohesion between them and so they would have thrashed out what Ridleys hopes are and Fox and would have had mutral ground and so yes the changes from Spaights to Lindeloffs based draft was a idea that Ridley had agreed with.
And it would be likewise with the Covenant draft, i was not saying that the next movie is something they dont agree on... i was merely saying that FOX ultimately owns the Franchise and if they wanted to do stuff that Ridley did not agree with then it would ultimately be down to Fox if they would be open to what Ridley would suggest but ultimately its FOX who has the final and majority say as its their Franchise they own the rights to it.
But i think they have faith in Ridley, i think they have realized that in hindsight maybe going away from the Xenomorph question was a bit of a mistake.
And so now going that route, and with Alien 5 too and it maybe also giving Engineer Tech etc.... once they have basically covered the Xenomorph to a satisfactory level... And if it makes good return..
Then people may then want to know more about who these Engineers/Space Jockey are and so the Door is open to Evolve that at a latter date... but concentrate on Alien Xeno connections first.
Also i dont know what you mean by "How many movies actually need to be made?"
The answer could be as many as Fox feels could be made and make money from...
Ridleys Star Wars Comment seems to indicate that Fox sees money to be made, and a stories left to be told.
We know we are getting a Alien Covenant and i am sure Fox have green lighted a sequel to that already.. (thats not a Guarantee, if Alien Covenant is a disappointment)
So i think Alien Covenant and its sequel would give us enough connections to be able to understand how the Xenomorph came to be, its relation to the Engineers and also how come Mankind is involved.. i think we would loosely get why they or at least those on LV-223 where working on those Bio-Weapons intended for Earth.
I think the clues would be there for us to then know what could have happened to the Space Jockey without the Full Story...
I think they will cover the Engineers a bit, but its not going to be a Engineer based series of movies... the door is open to explore that later.
And so after Alien Covenant and its sequel... and Alien 5 we should get a better understanding of the Xeno/Engineer/Space Jockey connections and purpose.. and how Mankind/Earth fits in.
so thats 3 more Alien Movies...
But i think they then have the door left open to explore the Space Jockey directly if they choose to do so.. and also branch off with a Engineers movie that covers the Agenda... Origins and other things these Engineers have done in the Galaxy..
But the goal is mainly Xenomorph connections to them. this is what seems to be the case.
So yes seems we will get 2 Alien Prequels that connect a line between Prometheus and Alien... with the option for a Space Jockey movie... and a potential other Franchise offshoot with the Engineers.
But i also think if Alien 5 is a hit, then we could see a Alien 6 that follows on, maybe be about Newt.. but depends on how Alien 5 does.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
As far as how many other Alien movies need to be made as far as a Re-boot..
My point was that i dont think Alien needs to be re-booted at all..... i left the reasons why a few times...
If they wanted to give us more detailed Xenomorphs and Ships and touch upon a few things from early Alien Draft and Star Beast that never made it in Alien... then why would they need to re-boot Alien?
Prometheus loosely tried to go this route of things that was left out of Alien... Alien Covenant could likewise give us similar and actually re-introduce the Xenomorph in full modern glory...
No need for a Alien remake... period...
But i was saying if they was to touch upon few things that never made it to Alien movie, then there are other ways to do it... than to Remake Alien.
But thats not to say Alien wont be re-made in future... can we tell what 25-50 years would bring?
But i seriously doubt they would re-boot Alien anytime soon, especially with Alien 5 going to be made and also Alien Covenant having some kind of Ripley link.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
BD, again awesome analysis. I'm beginning to think that this issue of the black goo may have several different story lines. As has been posited, the stuff may have started out as a good thing, that seeded planets and so forth, but was then weaponized by warring faction(s) and was evil in purpose. So you have the duality of nature in humans as well as these other races.
The cup at the beginning of Prometheus is the benevolent version, the urns at the end are the malevolent ones.
The black goo is similar in our case to nuclear power. Can be used for good, or evil. Kinda depends on the peeps involved.
I see three uses so far. The initial seeding of lifeless planets. The use as a glalactic "Round Up" to kill off existing life in order to create something new, possibly good? And finally the ultimate weaponized version that looks to be designed to kill off all life, and replace it with some kind of Zeno nastiness?
The question is, was this intentional progression, or just some kind of accident? Did some evil faction of their race intentionally weaponize it, or did it simply get out of hand?
Yeah, Prometheus open up a whole can of worms here. And I'm one of those guys that finds this way more interesting than bugs running around. Although I'm totally down with figuring out how to kill them.
Yes there is a whole range and world of possibilities for whats going on... but its a case of are they simplifying it now?
"The cup at the beginning of Prometheus is the benevolent version, the urns at the end are the malevolent ones"
I dont think the intention was like that, the base substance is merely a Tool it is not benevolent or malevolent.... like a Chainsaw, a Hammer a Drill they are all Tools that perform a task to make it easier but such Tools on their own perform no actions... but when used they can be used to conduct tasks to make them easier or used to cause destruction.
The Base Substance can also be Dangerous in which ever way it is used... even the Sacrificial Scene.
We can assume from the way it was intended that, if say Shaw and David returned home and Shaw was to consume a large dose of the Sacrificial Goo while she is at a beach... then her broken down material would ultimately mix and evolve what ever it came into contact with... which could seriously change Life it comes into contact with..
If a Cat was given the Sacrificial Goo and fell into a Lake it would be safe to assume any Humans, Fish or other lifeforms would then be at risk of infection and those infected would be in a way destroyed to become something new. A Warewolf is no longer the same benevolent person when in Wolf Form... and The Goo could have the same effect on Life.
So what i am saying is even the Sacrificial Goo has a destructive impact.... sometimes to create one must first destroy.
There lies the use of the Substance... it is a tool a Mutagen, maybe Virus, maybe Parasite that can be used as a way to harvest one Organisms DNA to allow its Genetic Traits to be spread to other life and pass on its traits.
This was the Original Concept... but this could be changed from now on... and even post Prometheus.
But all clues to me still point to the Sacrificial Cup and Urns having two different substances... the Urns having the results of what happens after congestion of the Sacrificial Soup so to speak.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
However Diz... yes very good points and your along the right path to a degree..
I think the thing we have not known is purpose....
But they are loosely tying it to Paradise Lost, but also we have to take into account Prometheus Myth too.
But i think this is for another Topic... or can be touched upon in the Mural Room thread recently.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Big Dave: Just some comments about what you wrote. Fox probably thought that Prometheus did enough profits to make a sequel, which is a good thing. Hopefully they will give us some answers this time either to the Xeno or (more important) the things that were confusing in Prometheus.
The Engineers have potential but they must be made interesting and make somewhat sense while still have a mystery about them like the Xeno has. I don’t think that we should be given all answers about them or the Xeno but that is my opinion about it.
I have seen some cut scenes from Prometheus and they help a lot so I don’t think that they should cut important scenes just to maintain some mystery when the result of cutting these makes the movie look dumb and confusing.
Unfortunately they didn’t use as much from Spaights script as they could have. The characters were also better in his script. A clearer connection to the Xenos would have been good but it shouldn’t be too obvious. I don’t think that Ripley should be an important link because the whole Xeno and Engineer thing is so much more than Ripley. If they would have got the characters right in Prometheus then maybe they wouldn’t even think about connecting Ripley to this.
As far as Alien 5 goes I am not interested but if people in general will have interest in it then good for them I guess but I don’t care about the movie. The Xeno should have some mystery so having it be familiar kind of takes away what is interesting about it.
Hopefully Alien 5 won’t take away issues that the follow ups to Prometheus will try to answer. I hope that Alien Covenant will answer some of the things that were too vague in Prometheus and that didn’t make sense.
Maybe they will show how the Xeno was made but I hope that they will have some mystery about it when the prequels are finished. They did too little of a Xeno connection in Prometheus but it shouldn’t be too obvious either. There is a need for some balance here.I don’t think that we need an Alien 6, been there done that so to speak.
"Also i dont know what you mean by "How many movies actually need to be made?""
The phrase 'Alien doesn't need to be remade/ rebooted' has been mentioned a number of times.
The reality is no film needs to be made, nevermind remade.
S.M: I wish that they could be more creative and figure out new movies. There are too many re-makes now.
That optional ending Scott wanted where the alien kills Ripley at the end and the last shot you see is the alien dictating Ripley's shuttlecraft log entry in Ripley's voice would be a great end to a reboot of Alien 1. Perfect organism, right? Predators are generally smarter than their prey in nature.
I'd prefer not. ALIEN made it into the Library of Congress for a reason.
A remake wouldn't change that.
The only re-make needed for ALIEN is the scene with Ash's head being placed on the table and set up. HOWEVER... Although ALIEN is my most favorite movie EVER, I would not be opposed to a remake if it stayed within the Giger way of the original and Ridley Scott directing. Daisy Ridley would make the perfect Ripley. I see Ripley in her every time I watch the Force Awakens. I also think it would be great because the re-make could show more of the actual ALIEN than what we saw in the original. The ALIEN was kept mostly in shadows until the end because of the want to keep its full appearance a surprise. We now know what it looks like. Let's see it go through it's aging cycle after bursting from Kane's chest. Watch it shedding it's skin, growing, turning darker. Skulking through the air ducts, hanging in the chains above Brett, or sneaking around the airlock where Parker can get a chance to try and blow it out into space. And based upon what Covenant reveals, maybe we will see Ripley going down into the bowels of the ship to find Dallas and Brett turning into eggs.
The Nostromo was a giant turd floating through space. It was that old it was falling apart at the seams and its only serviceable function was being able to transport ore from one place to another. Like many old ships, the technology was very dated. The Nostromo was built in 2101 as a cruiser, but by 2116 had become refitted as a tug. So the Nostromo was not exactly state of the art for its time. The Prometheus on the other hand was built in 2091 as a state of the art ship. This is why The Prometheus looks better than the Nostromo even though it was built earlier.
The condition of the Nostromo is at the heart of the film Alien because everything revolves around the fact that the crew had to survive using nuts and bolts technology. It is the nuts and bolts technology that helps drive the story, which imo is why a remake would be a bad idea.
I don't see how the two are connected?
The Tempest was written by William Shakespeare around 1610-1611. This was ‘adapted’ and remade into the movie The Forbidden Planet in 1956. If The Forbidden Planet is the same story, then why have a title change ? If Alien was to be remade, what aspects of the film would change? Once a change has taken place, would it still be Alien ? In the case of The Tempest there is an obvious, historical change in the technology between that and The Forbidden Planet, but the real big change is in the way key characters were re adapted and names changed, but essentially the story was the same, but there was enough change to re name the story The Forbidden Planet.
Alien has its own particular story line, and a storyline imo which also relies on the general aesthetic created by the technology of its setting. I think that once you start screwing around with the aesthetic components of Alien, you are actually making big changes that can alter the feel of things. This is why I hate remakes of films sometimes because it can remove the aesthetic essence that makes an original great.
The Nostromo has a very analogue feel, which is maybe why there are those who would want to see things updated, but personally I think it still works. There is a derelict ship in Predators, where the interior design is from the analogue sets from Forbidden Planet, and in the context of Predators works well.
There are of course remakes that can work, but only because they have stayed true to the original, but then the problem is which actors have done the characters justice, so there is still some question mark possibly hanging over the validity of remakes. Of course with science fiction it does help if the special effects are superior to the original.
I personally think Alien is a classic and an original, that has set a standard for Sci-fi. It is not just something that anyone can come along and change. Also bear in mind, You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon.
A remake doesn't change the original.
Finally! Something too/worth talk about.. YES YES AND YES!! If Alien was to be remade from the start, no doubt it would be an epic success. Of course it wouldn't be easy but nothing in life is easy. Has Sigourney Weaver ever been asked this question? Cause with her in a remake of the Alien series that would be a huge step in the rite direction! Don't miss understand me I love the 1st Alien and the 2nd but that's it! Now they could remake the entire series and it would be so much better and fix the mistakes that were made..
What role would Weaver play in an Alien remake?
remake????NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. cringed when I heard rumours of a bladerunner remake. alien is a brilliant piece of film making and is one of those films that should be left the f**k alone for all time
Including Ridley's Directors Cut?
directors cut wasn't a remake, it was the way he would have like the final theatrical cut to have been yet agreed that the pace of the film wouldv have been affected by the scene, nothing like a remake
You said "alien is a brilliant piece of film making and is one of those films that should be left the f**k alone for all time"
Ridley didn't leave it alone, however.
Just an opinion. But as video and filmmaking technology get far more advanced, I believe that alien will never be remade, I. Believe that the prometheus thread of films in the Canon are there to retcon the AvP films and create a soft reboot of the franchise. What I am getting down to is that I believe they will soon be able to re-edit the original negatives and re-release the film looking more updated and in line with the new technology. Any opinions on this form of a reboot/remake?
I can't imagine that would happen. You'd probably get further remastering to improve as home technology improves, but I don't think you'd get Star Wars special edition style changes.
In 75-100 years from now. Everyone will own a quantum super computer. You will ask it to replicate any movie you want...change any actor.....make yourself the star of Alien...Make John Wayne play Dallas if you want(Humphrey Bogart as Kane will be cool). Tell your computer to change the ending or beginning...make it 1940's style...or 2017 style.
So, Yes Alien will be remade...probably just not the way we think!
Ripley and the Alien conspire to thwart Ash, then after they dock at Gateway, they stroll off together saying 'This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.' :)
"Ripley and the Alien conspire to thwart Ash, then after they dock at Gateway, they stroll off together saying 'This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.' :)"
Exactly! Probably not going to be around for such tech....but it will be cool.