How did a Queen egg end up inside the Sulaco?21,391 Views82 RepliesAdd A Reply
Was it even possible for the Queen in "Aliens" to lay an egg on the ceiling of the Sulaco spacecraft?
Can the Queen control what kind of egg she lays wether its soldier xenomorphs, or a "queen" egg?
Did Bishop put it there?
How could the Queen, (without it's egg laying thorax) lay an egg at this angle and in the time before the final battle in Aliens? Did the Queen even fit in that small section of the ship?
Before Cryo sleep, was it that unnoticeable? following the terror of fighting such unkillable lifeforms, especially Ripley's bad dream of having one inside of her in the beginning of Aliens, wouldn't she double check this time?
Was the Queen in "Alien Resurrection", the same Queen that Ripley vac***ed out of the Cargo doors using her power loader?
I personally understand these plot holes were ether dumb or fun to question... but I wanted to know what you thought :)
"Must be something we haven't seen yet.."__Bishop
Indeed it would be like if a Human Female was evolved to have a external Womb that would grow to a large size to hold multiple fertile Eggs and have its own ovipositor so the Female could then produce 10's of Children at a time...
This is far fetched but i think this is what we see with a Queen, she produces the eggs inside her and deposit them into the ovipositor to grow until they are ready to be laid and so yes she could have some eggs inside of her that had not yet been passed onto the ovipositor
I think this is the most logical explanation for the Eggs on the Sulaco and why there was only a few.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I think it goes without saying that she was carrying the eggs. The question is how they mature without the egg sac. Maybe the 10 day lag between films is that instead of taking a couple of hours to 'mature' in the egg sac, it takes days outside an egg sac. When she laid it, it was maybe the size of an orange and grew in the intervening time.
Bishop does fly around for a bit when Ripley thinks he has abandoned her and Newt. Maybe he had another "interrupted moment" within his programming and n that time managed to retrieve an egg from the nursery, get back in the ship and fly over to rendezvous back with Ripley, Newt.
Also, in his apparent "interrupted mode" I can imagine him in some ways being able to commune with the alien Queen to do what he is planning but, as with the Engineer in Prometheus, after David finished communing with that being it turned on him and ripped off his head. Maybe after he made a deal with the devil with the Queen in is altered-state programing is when She turns on him when he is back to is regular-programming mode.
What's "interrupted mode"?
Honestly.....I'm looking forward to Alien 5 splitting the timeline! lol.... ending this Sulaco/Egg mystery....! I think the opening of Alien3 is the reason Blomkamp feels like he can get away with it......And I'm starting to agree with him.
Have you not been reading all of this thread? Others have stated that he was reprogrammed or had his programming interrupted hence the term I used: "interrupted mode". Can't you work it out S.M?
And while we are at it, why are you deliberately going-out-of-your-way to keep nit-picking at everything I say upon here?
I already told you lets get along and what accompanies that is to stop deliberately trying to antagonise and goad people. Why can't you just get involved in the spirt of conversation(s) that I am trying to initiate with others and could also have with you if you just let it, but still, I can sense sarcasm in your questioning everything I try and talk about instead of just letting conversations flow between us freely. There's still this attitude you have and I have already pointed you out on it so are you going to make a genuine effort to try and actually converse with me properly S.M instead of continuing along with your sarcasm by dressing it up in apparent "only asking a question"... which we-both know your just being deliberately difficult towards anything I try and say.
I've already tried to explain myself to you and another upon a previous thread but it sounds like you in particular are not prepared to co-operate in return But I am not going to be hassled off of here by you!
"Have you not been reading all of this thread? Others have stated that he was reprogrammed or had his programming interrupted hence the term I used: "interrupted mode". Can't you work it out S.M?"
Apologies, I must've missed it. I wasn't familiar with the term.
I don't see any evidence that Bishop was re-programmed. He shows no inclination to obtain specimens of his own accord and all of his actions in both Aliens and Alien3 are directly at odds with obtaining specimens - secretly or otherwise.
Some others were suggesting that Bishop, when out-of-sight, was being tampered with inside his programming in secret, making him go-off and do manipulative things regarding the undermining of the mission and the group there.
Yes I was aware people had said things like that, but such questions like 'who was tampering with him?' and 'what manipulative things did he do?' are never adequately addressed.
The Company put it there. The "Ripleys" we see in Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection are not THE Ellen Ripley. Cloning has existed since Aliens but it is illegal, hence why they were talking about killing Ripley "8" in AR (to tie up loose-ends) and why they were operating outside of regulated space. The deaths of Newt and Hicks, the time period of AR, and whatever happens in Alien 5 are all connected to the military-industrial complex thought, memory and mind-control experiments they've been running on Ripley and her clones - all part of their attempts to capture, domestic and weaponize the Aliens.
That's my theory anyway.
How did they clone Ripley for Alien3? With a complete set of memories from Alien and Aliens no less?
They would've cloned her exactly like they did in Alien Resurrection, and exactly the way she remembered Newt and her past experiences with the Aliens in the same film - to remain consistent. This would be further explained as a military-industrial operation spearheaded by no other than Weyland-Yutani itself - to not only weaponize Ripley as a fail-safe against the Aliens, but also to weaponize her past against her. Of course, it goes completely sideways just like every other attempt by them to weaponize the Aliens.
My theory is while Ripley and Newt are escaping the hive, The Queen grabbed an egg on her way out, put it on bottom of the dropship it opened during the power loader fight between Ripley and the queen and the facehugger went into hiding. Then it spit acid on newt's hypersleep pod got acid all on the EVA floor started the fire which killed newt broke off her and got on Ripley then latched onto Spike the dog.(Note: in the assembly cut instead latches onto Babe a ox)
I've always wondered what exactly are The Company/Weyland-Yutani weaponising against in the first place? Other than going to exterminate the Xenomorph they had intentions in Alien for their bio-weapons division to weaponise the Xenomorph. But again against who? Or what? Is there an external threat in the galaxy that we are not aware of but exists in the minds of the characters?
Are humans at war with the Engineers and that legacy is going on in the back ground in Alien and Aliens, Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection?
I wonder if Alien: Covenant and the subsequent sequels to it will open up on that?
Who or WHAT are The Company preparing for or to go to war against, hence the need for bio-weapons? Bio-weapons against what???
@HyperNova: Ellen Ripley and the government, possibly.
"They would've cloned her exactly like they did in Alien Resurrection, and exactly the way she remembered Newt and her past experiences with the Aliens in the same film - to remain consistent. "
She had partial memories in Resurrection - and accelerated growth - due to the Alien genetic material contaminating her DNA. If they wanted a Ripley clone in your scenario, they would've needed to start cloning her after she'd been lost in space for 27 year in order to be the right age when she woke. And they'd also need to know precisely every event in Aliens in advance.
"Who or WHAT are The Company preparing for or to go to war against, hence the need for bio-weapons? Bio-weapons against what???"
Who are bio-weapons usually developed to be deployed against?
She had partial memories in Resurrection - and accelerated growth - due to the Alien genetic material contaminating her DNA.
Like I said, they were experimenting not only with cloning, but also with thought and memory control - so a possibility here would be that they did not, quote "know precisely every event in Aliens in advance." at all. Or, what would be even creepier, is that they did in fact know every event in Aliens in advance, because they orchestrated it . The entire LV-426 incident was used as a form of 'test tube' or 'ant farm' for the Company to study the organisms' effect on humans. Remember, BURKE SENT THE JORDAN FAMILY TO THE DERELICT IN THE FIRST PLACE. It wouldn't be too far-fetched to assume the Company (or someone on the executive board) was using Bishop (unwittingly) as a form of mobile surveillance camera (and he personally witnesses nearly all of Ripley's Alien encounters (except the Operations fight and Ripley going to find Newt). Even then, this is not necessary, since they could have easily captured the original Ripley in the EEV when they planted the egg there in the first place, replacing her with the clone that they received from Ripley-in-stasis on the Narcissus, (which leads into my next theory)
If they wanted a Ripley clone in your scenario, they would've needed to start cloning her after she'd been lost in space for 27 year in order to be the right age when she woke.
Unless they knew she was drifting through the core systems the entire time and covered it up so that they could never be connected to the Ripley-Alien incident except by the obvious loose end: Ripley herself (and Newt/Hicks).
They did say it was a quote "unusually"-long hypersleep. ;) (57 years, not 27).
They would've need to clone her 27 years into her hypersleep in order for her to be the same age as the template.
"Or, what would be even creepier, is that they did in fact know every event in Aliens in advance, because they orchestrated it . The entire LV-426 incident was used as a form of 'test tube' or 'ant farm' for the Company to study the organisms' effect on humans. Remember, BURKE SENT THE JORDAN FAMILY TO THE DERELICT IN THE FIRST PLACE. "
Over two decades after the colony had been sitting there, and only after Ripley told them where to look. So they're not really orchestrating anything.
"It wouldn't be too far-fetched to assume the Company (or someone on the executive board) was using Bishop (unwittingly) as a form of mobile surveillance camera (and he personally witnesses nearly all of Ripley's Alien encounters (except the Operations fight and Ripley going to find Newt). "
And Ripley driving in after the marines, and Ripley and Newt fighting the facehuggers. Meaning in fact, he never saw any of Ripley's encounters with the Aliens apart from the Queen at the end.
None of this makes sense to me. Interesting supposition, but nothing to really explain how an egg got in there. Not that I don't enjoy the speculation, I just don't see any of it makes sense. The Sulaco should have gotten away, scott free, so to speak. Once the queen was gone, there should have been nothing left to infect the survivors. The egg in the ship was just a piss-poor plot device to kill off the characters and go in a new direction at a director's whim.
I for one am hoping all this is blanked out by a new story line in A:5.
As far as Bishop the Smoking Gun for me is how does he managed to Stick the Egg upside down like that... Does have some super glue handy.
And also if Bishop did place the Egg... would he not place it more closer to the Cryo-Sleep area? But i guess the excuse for that was he never had the time and so he stuck it where it was.
But i still think its stuck by something than can secrete resin to do so... so that means the Queen or a Xenomorph that may have go on board.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
"How is Bishop going to "sneak an egg or two on board without Ripley knowing about it"? And if he did so, why did he risk his 'mission' to wait around for Ripley and Newt when the sensible thing to do would be fly off back to the Sulaco and sic a hugger on the comatose Hicks." - SM
Very good point.
However, since we're not in possession of all the facts, we are left to assume.
He could have hidden it/them somewhere on board where they wouldn't be noticeable to Ripley.
Also, maybe he'd been ordered (by Burke?) to obtain a queen and he knew the only way he could do that is by impregnating a female using a face hugger. (Maybe the only way to obtain a queen is through the impregnation of a female host?) Maybe that's why he goes back for Ripley and Newt.
Bishop probably would have obtained the egg/s via the derelict.
He would also have had time to do so.
From the time he gets to the drop-ship remote control to the time Hicks contacts him to ask how long till pick up, many scenes have passed, so probably a lot of time has passed. That would have afforded him enough time to get the drop-ship down to the surface. Pilot it to the derelict. Pick up egg/s. Take egg/s to the sulaco. Get back to the surface and first pick up Hicks and then later Ripley and Newt.
It's messed up for sure. But if we're going to try to make any sense of who, how and why the eggs got on board the Sulaco we have to look at the most likely suspect and for me, that suspect is Bishop.
Like I said in an earlier post, he is created by the Company. The Company will stop at nothing to obtain the organism. Therefore, It would make perfect sense that they would create him with the intention of obtaining the trust of humans to cover up his true intentions (Company intentions.)
The poster was good though!