Why the Engineers Wanted To Destroy Humanity Explained

Thats what i am thinking.... i think that maybe where the Abrahamic Religions come into it could be they are a interpretation of Mankind of a new Era of Rule by Engineers or Elders or one particular one after a War between fractions... Remember prior to the Ambramic Religions there was not ONE GOD but many... So this could be like a Titan say Zeus or a Annunaki God like Enlil who have overthrown the other Gods and wants to set himself up as the ONE and only GOD... thus starts a whole new process of new religions and believes in just one Deity. This Godlike being wants mankind to rule under him alone, but mankind does not follow the ways and orders of this new One God, in which case he sends down a Emissary to guide and change mankind and when we still do not follow him.... well he orders the Engineers to pull the plug on us. While i am not saying this is exactly the deal, i think the movie could go for a similar outcome and paint the Bible and Koran as our interpretations of the decree and orders of a last standing Elder or who ever beings are at the top of the Hierarchy. Or maybe not and just one Elder who decides he wants to control his own creations in rebellion to his creator.

Can't see the religeous angle becoming any more than a distraction to be honest. Not because it would not make good copy but because the studio bosses would see it as crimping the potential returns. I think they are just the equivilents of Davids, tools of the elders/gods, they got pissed and sought to take over and saw us as a threat.

I think the story should most definitely not be that the engineers are any real world deities. Stick to fiction.

i think there has been great discussion throughout the forums. I think one thing that's interesting is trying to understand the mentality of the Engineers. Are they impulsive? Was Earth a vital target? The reason why I think these questions are important is because these beings have a greater concept of time and space than human beings do. It seems farfetched that a lone engineer would wake up and all of a sudden attack Earth even if he was ordered too. Thats like a soldier trying to press the Nuke Button after 2000 years in a comma. The reality is that he didn't have to continue his mission right there and then. And as far as I am concerned it was an irrational move. I heard the concept that he might have been a rebel or something in between those lines. Maybe he was fail safe. The maps on Earth were perhaps meant to draw us to the Engineers in order for us to wake them and basically show it was our time to end. However, this would be avoiding the concepts imprinted on the walls of the ship as well as the Engineers attempt to escape the outbreak. This doesn't seem planned out, especially because the first scene we see is a willing sacrifice.

I am not saying the movie would go in your face religious connections, i think it would be a supple way. like how the Parallels of the Sacrificial Scene have some vague connection to the Annunaki Tale of a Sacrifice to create mankind from one of their own bodies.

As far as the Engineer at the end, well i always suspected that he may have had something to do with sparing mankind.... The deleted scenes seem to indicate a rational being. My interpretation of those scenes, are that this Engineer is awoken by Mankind... at this point he was intrigued. Once he had seen how Weyland had acted and how he ordered Shaw to be silenced the Engineer would then know that Weyland only sees his reasons for being there as important. And the Engineer would have been told by David that Weyland wanted to be made immortal, and then noticed that Mankind had created David in their image and thus that mankind now has a God Complex and that Mankind would see themselves as Gods, or at least question why they can not be equal to the Engineers in time. The Engineer would know mankind has the ability to reach LV-223 and that LV-223 has the Bio Weapons and Juggernauts and as David knows how to communicate to the Engineer maybe the Engineer would also be concerned that these Androids could maybe fly there ships. Knowing that mankind is still selfish and now knows how to get to LV-223 the Engineer could not let Mankind get there hands on the Technology of the Engineers and so off he went to finish the job his brothers had set out to do 2000 years prior. This was my interpretation of the events, and especially since seeing the deleted scenes and more so since we got some partial translations to what David and Engineer had said.

Again it would work, it seems a bit presumptous that the Engineer would come with that solution without consorting with higher up. What is also interesting is that the Engineers seemed to have abandoned Earth all together. After 2000 years no other mission from the Engineers has attempted to destroy them. They appear to be abandoned altogether.

My only explanation would be that maybe they got the order to destroy us, but the mission failed and after the risks with the Xeno and then proving that even re-weaponizing it was again too risky. They may had then decided to just leave us to rot and kill each other and declare Earth a failed mission.... they may have thought that without there help there was no way Mankind would ever advanced to a level to reach the stars etc.... Either that or indeed its a case of the Engineers on Paradise or their creators are not aware of our creation, or they are but some war has broken out on their own Home World and they simply are all gone or there is little left of their kind that they would not bother with going to take out Earth. But there are so many other reasons that its pretty much a open book as far as did the Engineers on LV-223 get the command to destroy Earth from Paradise and what connection Paradise has to LV-233.

Maybe at first the engineers thought that the biology of a humanoid was supreme, that they were supreme, but then they came across a lifeform that was perfect. They then proceeded to plan an override of our DNA with this new creatures DNA. I think they wanted to evolve us rather than destroy us.

The only thing is to what end however? Its Davids comments "sometimes to create, one must first destroy" that leads us down that path... Previously the Xeno was seen as a Bio Weapon and either the goo is a Bio Weapon produced from the Xeno, or the Xeno is just another life form/experiment that came from the Goo. So we really need to find out what connection these Engineers had these Bio Weapons from and why. And there is a lot of possibilities. One theory i had, that linked to Prometheus Myth is what if these Engineers was a creation by some other race or being and they rebelled against being a slave race to this being/race and decided to create a race in their own image to worship them. (or their creators used them to create Mankind and the Engineers got jelious and decided they wanted to then get rid of their creators and then get mankind to serve them). Overtime a conflict occurred between the Engineers and their creators and also the Engineers god fed up at how we had progressed and developed and we in turn was becoming rebellious just as the Engineers was to their creators. So they set out to reset us with the Goo... Now that mission failed as they got burnt by playing with the creation fire to far in trying to re-weaponize the Xeno. But now in year 2093 its come full circle and now these Engineers creations have in turn created a being in their own image the Androids like David who funny enough look like they may rebel against their own creator mankind. The next step could had been what if these Androids rised up against mankind like in Terminator and I-Robot, then Mankind would have no choice but to try and take out their rebellious creations at any cost.. So likewise the reason the Engineers wanted us destroyed... Now if we go back further into this cycle, could it be that the creators of the Engineers had same problems with their rebellious creations, in that the Engineers prime use was as Clone Droids.. so to speak... They decided to use a horrific weapon to wipe the Engineers out but this failed and the ship crashed landed on LV 426. The Engineers then knowing a attempt to wipe them out with a Bio Weapon failed by their creators, they then went down and took a sample of this Bio Weapon and attempted to re-weaponize it with the creation Goo to then destroy mankind and their creators? The above is the kind of plot i would like to see and the basis of my Paradise story i was working on but only got as far as just jotting ideas and not put into script form yet.

Maybe the statement "In order to create, one must first destroy," is like an analogy of our DNA being destroyed and changed into something else.

This is another reason that Prometheus is so special, with some religious and satanic touch, that is reason why I expecting very of the second one, remember that reading again Empire magazine Scott raised controversy then, about the Engineering theory.

First of all, in all honesty, it's just a guess Shaw makes that the engineer was going to Earth to attack with the black goo. I think that is the truth as far as the story goes (i.e. what the writer planned), but it is vague. The engineer's motives are not shown. Like it or not, the only message from the film is we might better off not going off into space or something like that, for fear of what might be out there and what "our answers" are. The movie's story is basically insane. Shaw's brilliant idea now is to go to the engineers' home world, after seeing the reaction of one so quickly after waking up, and having to get Janek to kill himself to save Earth. Wouldn't you expect the engineers on the home world to come and get us? The disregard for that danger is just shocking in my opinion.

If you take the religious jesus angle is his dying for us somehow linked to the mission to destroy us not going ahead? ie he formed a pact with a group of engineers to die for our sins and the deal was they would sabotage the mission to kill us. Personally I cant see it but if you want to play the religious angle.

VA, I agree the lack of safety protocols and reckless approach are bizzare, one of the strangest things in the movie. That said when you watch the TED video with young weyland the arrogance that comes through is staggering. Maybe in the 50 odd years since he made that speech we have become an arrogant race that believes we are the masters of all and therefore show no respect or caution? Weyland thinks he is a god so maybe our arrogance and stupidity flows from that.

One possibility is rebellion against the Engineers. The Jesus thing is interesting. I look at what Shaw was trying to do, and I'm thinking, he is suppose to be treating the human beings he serves as kind of like gods, but he totally screwed them over in order to satisfy is curiousity. Perhaps one of the races the Engineers tried to create did the same thing that Shaw did but to a more extreme sense. It could possibly be that the creations of the Engineers were really meant to seek their masters an co-exist peacefully. However, a race got there before we did and used their technology against them to pursue their own curiousity just like Shaw did. Shaw destroys his human masters to create life... which he does... Humans or other race destroy their masters to do the same. If Jesus is meant to be an Engineer, this would explain why the Engineers didn't take his death lightly and put down a violent and very curious society on Earth. It could be why the Engineer got extremely pissed and continued his mission despite prosponing it for a couple thousand years. He realized the humans from Earth had made the same mistake.

why are all answers have anything to do with religion or Jesus?

 

I think the simplest explanation is that they are engineers....experimenters.

They wanted to create the most perfect beings....

and human are just one of their experiments.

 

their true goal was to advance the creation of the xenomorph a.k.a aliens

they created humans so that humans can be the breeding ground for their most advanced creation.....humans can be the place for these xenomorphs to mutate and evolve...

 

hence, the reason for their plan to bring all these vases full of xenomorphs' genetic materials and shoot them on their way to earth....

 

 

any thoughts?

 

 

We can never be sure what the reasons are, yes maybe the 2000 years ago was purely coincidence, Ridley did play on that by dropping the Jesus hint as maybe a Red Herring but all the connections to Ancient Mythology and Religions could be there on purpose and maybe that these cultures and believes are just interpretation of Engineer contact that could be warped over years as stories are passed on from generation to generation and maybe ultimately what we then end up as being God Like Creators is far off what the real Agenda is.

There are many inconsistencies and well problems with some of the ideas of why they created us to then destroy us, we just cant be sure of what the Big Picture is and i think this is the vocal point of Paradise.

You see why wait 2000 years ago, what was different to Mankind 2000 years ago compared to 4000 years ago? 

Could it be that they had to work to perfect their Xeno Experiments and it was just not ready over 2000 years ago?

Could it be that they felt they had to act sooner as Mankind was starting to show signs of Advancing Fast?

We really still dont know why we was created for, its open to debate.  But creating us just to purely use as a Xeno Host seems a little odd... The Xeno is a near perfect life form as far as its ability to procreate and survive but so are Ants and Cockroaches.  A Xeno is Intelligent but nothing seems to show us that they are higher being that way than our Engineers or indeed mankind.

Maybe there is some kind of worship with the Xeno maybe some reason they felt a great deal of respect and appreciation for the Organism or its predecessor?

The movie does try and tie in these Engineers with our creation and thus all Religion to a degree, so it would be right to assume there was a plan for us and we was created for some purpose and that surely cant be to use as Xeno Hosts as well  what benefit does having Billions of Xenos have for the Engineers? Or maybe there is some benefit and use for the Organism.

Maybe the Engineers created us for some purpose and to serve them, and after we would not obey them, the Engineers came across some new Toy to play with and they wanted to the spite us with their new favoured creation?

We just cant be sure, i would kind of hope that these Engineers are merely tools of the Elders and that they rebelled against the Elders and found some Organism to use against their creators.

They then started to worship to a degree this organism, and then attempted to get mankind to worship them as Gods... this would be like Weyland using David to create a new Life form and then David killing off mankind and trying to get this life form to then worship David as God... but when this said life form does not then David creates something else to wipe out this creation.

I would think and hope something along those lines is what we have, but only time will tell or would it? Would we just be left with even more answered questions and clues that are so ambiguous that well we will never get to figure out whats going on?

 

Worth reading to understand why religion and Jesus come up when discussing 'Prometheus', especially when you look at specific comments Ridley Scott and Damon Lindelof have made during interviews.

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I do not think they would go the whole in your face Jesus on cross Engineer route, i think they would be more subtle and i would not even want to see a Scene of such things.

I would be as Lindeloff hinted in that link, like to see some flash back scenes such as what the Sacrificial Engineer scene was in the first movie and thus see scenes of Engineers interacting with mankind. As i think they are hinting that these Engineers had played a part in visiting mankind every once in a while to teach us new Technology and also to upgrade us.

But as far as any reference to Jesus etc, i would simply have this either in a scene where David reads some Engineer Tablets etc or is confronted by a Engineer or Elder and it speaks to David.

Either way we dont get a translation of the Writing or Engineer Talk, but only Davids interpretation as we saw in Prometheus... And i would then have it that David relays to Shaw that these Elders/Engineers had become upset at how mankind had become, and they had tried many times to try and steer us on to the path the Engineers wanted but after one last attempt via a Emissary on their behalf had failed.

The Engineers decreed that Mankind must be punished.

I think thats all we would need at the most, we would not need any hints or scenes to sugest this Emissary  was Jesus, or a Engineer, or a Hybrid or even any indication as to what timeframe this event occured.

Just as from Alien we dont need a Spoon Fed Scene of the Space Jockeys flight from getting into the Pilot Chair to being Chest Busted, and how, when and why.

Its not needed...

If there would be any hint to the event, then again David would come across clues either from Tablets or contact with Engineers or even leave it for Part 3 if they go back to LV 223 or even for another Android or Scientist to come across clues on LV 223.

And then it merely has to be to tell that these Engineers was either transporting a Organism to be tested on LV 223, or that they had created a Organism on LV 223 to be transported... but ultimately which ever it is, the Organism in the stage that it was, was to  hazoudous a Bio Weapon and so they attempted to go back to the Drawing Board.

Something like this would be enough to tell what LV 223 was used for and to show that the transportation of the Xeno Egg Bio Weapon was not perfect and had its pit falls.