Alien: Covenant

Deacon and Trilobite umbilical cord?

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Apex_Predator

FacehuggerMember118 XPJul-17-2013 11:57 AMThis topic probably has been discussed but the search button gives me an error. We can see that when cuddles is born he is attached to Shaw through the umbilical cord. Then when the Deacon is born we can he/she is also attached to the Engineer (male/female who knows) through the umbilical cord and has a visible placenta. [IMG]http://i40.tinypic.com/eq8jr5.jpg[/IMG] Traditionally the Xeno just bursts through the ribcage and goes through several stages before achieving it's final form. The Deacon is already born fully developed and we can assume that it will grow in size. Is this a mutation caused by Holloway impregnating Shaw and Cuddles being born to Shaw? Is this the perfect and ultimate form the Engineers were trying to achieve when messing with the black goo? If we assume the Engineers can't procreate, perhaps they wanted humans for this sole purpose. They needed the live child birth part to create the final form something they were unable to do. Maybe the murals depict this as a prophecy? This Deacon perhaps is the evolved human form as it's very human like. I assume this Deacon will posses great intelligence unlike the run of the mill xenos. Your theories?

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18 Responses to Deacon and Trilobite umbilical cord?

BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPJul-17-2013 12:43 PMI would suggest that the Deacon ended up as such due to the fact the Trilobite (Cuddles) carried Human DNA as opposed to what ever a normal Face Huger has. Is this the end game the Engineers was trying to recreate? or indeed did they need the Xeno or Original Organism the Xeno came from to allow them to procreate? who knows but i think there must be some kind of connection... We have to ask can they procreate as it appears they do not have a gender as such, well we dont see any females, but we cant rule them out. Maybe they can reproduce? But when they want to create something a little different is when they need to use the Black Substance.... Maybe we was created to be servants/slaves or maybe for some other End Game Purpose we can only speculate... Ridley and Spaights did give clues to say that the Sacrificial Scene is merely how they seed their own Gene pool to create life. Maybe they gained that ability from something they created (Goo) from some ancient Organism they came across, and maybe they also attempted to recreate that Organism?

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Batchpool

FacehuggerMember357 XPJul-17-2013 1:45 PM@ Apex_Predator Not really given much thought to this until now, but you have given me one hell of an idea, I can’t remember if this has been mention before.by anyone. (Apologies to anyone who has mentioned this) There are religions and societies that have placed women as second class citizens. What if the female form as we know it is a crime punishable by death, according to philosophy of the Engineers. This would give the engineers a reason for destroying earth. Maybe the whole deacon thing is all about reproduction without a female form as we know it. If Shaw puts foot on the Engineers planet she may be viewed as a walking sex/evolutionary crime.

JTrodglen

OvomorphMember0 XPJul-17-2013 2:07 PMIn the scene where they walk into the temple the they see an alter and only a small part of what looks like the back of the head of a Deacon. The word "deacon" is derived from the Greek word diakonos (διάκονος),[1] which is a standard ancient Greek word meaning "servant", "waiting-man", "minister" or "messenger".[2] One commonly promulgated speculation as to its etymology is that it literally means 'through the dust', referring to the dust raised by the busy servant or messenger.[3]

Anunnaki50

OvomorphMember1 XPJul-17-2013 5:19 PMOf course the Engineers have females come on but I think the males have a little bit of a sexism issue maybe. They maybe not be like this its probably like our society in a way but no women allowed onto their ships and sciences who knows. The Engineers I think found this ancient organism and started to use it for a good purpose in the beginning. Then when they tried to manipulate its own DNA it back fired and created a horrible parasitic creature. Their own genepool means that they want to make other beings like humans in their likeness just like Genesis in the Bible. You guys keep talking about us as slaves, that sounds more and more like the Sumerian story to me.

The Anunnaki were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, mighty men of high reno

Batchpool

FacehuggerMember357 XPJul-17-2013 6:29 PMShow me any evidence whatsoever, that proves without any shadow of a doubt, the existence of any female engineers. If that is not possible, then I think that leaves the door open for some unusual discussion.

Visionary Alpha

OvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2013 8:03 AMThat yellow, egg like thing I have postulated is a dormant xeno which was already inside the engineer. The others had their hyper sleep chambers sabotaged, or else they just malfunctioned, and the xenio's burst up through them. The last surviving engineer probably was infected, too, only in stasis the xeno couldn't develop.

Kaiju Blue

OvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2013 4:53 PM I agree the lack of Females is a definite possibility I agree that the Trilobite seems to share characteristics with both a pod( Egg) and the mural. I agree that there is no evidence showing female engineers or procreative organs I agree that the traditional Xeno and the Deacon are different. David has been on LV223 a matter of hours and already clearly understands how to create a trilobite. Reading this made me think: what does David Know?? Why does he infect Holloway at that point in the story. I never really understood why David would infect Holloway who essentially (w Shaw) are the experts. Does David understand the life cycle discussed above? Why does David seem to know. He chooses Holloway because he knows Shaw and Holloway are having sex. He knows Shaw is pregnant like he expected that. You following me? Also when Holloways hypothesis is discussed David already knows the engineers did not engineer us in-line with Holloways hypothesis,

Visionary Alpha

OvomorphMember0 XPJul-19-2013 1:27 PMDavid knows a great deal. I believe he answered communications from LV 223 in secret on the way there, erasing records of these transmissions, and he cooperated with some powerful, unknown agency to prepare a trap for the crew. His motives are probably something along the lines of destroying humanity and all life.

BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPJul-19-2013 1:41 PMWe have to assume that David could figure out a lot of the Engineers Hieroglyphs and with supreme intelligence and his study of lots of Ancient cultures and no doubt he studied all Shaw and Holloways findings he may had been able to get a good idea what the Engineers Murals etc stood for. We dont know what the Hieroglyphs stood for and we cant be sure it would describe the way to get a Trilobite and i dont think it would have said such things as you need a Human Female to get pregnant to produce one. I think David would have been able to asattain that the substance can mutate and evolve cells and life and that he was curious to see what would happen with Holoway as far as effects on him, i am not sure he would had been 100% in knowledge that a infected Holloway would have sex with Shaw and lead to a Hybrid baby, i mean he may have had a guess that something could happen but he would by no means be sure of the outcome. Surely David knows more than the crew would have assumed he would know and he is not letting on to all he knows, but we dont know how much he actually knew, could be everything, or a lot or maybe not so much. As far as Females we dont see any proof, but i guess its with God do Atheist have enough to prove he dont exsit? Nope just as the believers dont have nothing concrete to prove he is real, not that would convince the Atheist. Thats the same thing here, we see no Females but we cant rule out that there is or is not at this time... Only clue to maybe there are none is Ridley and how he stated that the Sacrificial Engineer is just how these guys spread their Genetic Seed to create life. He said that the scene does not have to be Earth it could be any other place but all along it shows how the Engineers go about to spark Evolution from a basic scale to advanced with their own seed in this manner. He also said that the scene is a religious importance and event, and likened it to how Aztecs used to nominate a Sacrificial Member of the Tribe who is then treated as a Prince/King for a year and given what ever they want and then after the Year they are then Ritually Sacrificed to please God so that the Tribe may prosper and have better crops and weather etc.. This to me tells us that the Engineer Elders chose a chosen one to be Sacrificed and he may be blessed for a period of time before he then carries out his Duty for the greater good and purpose of the Engineer race... Why and what Purpose well we just cant be sure right now. Just because this all hints to the Engineers going this route to create life that ultimatley ends up in their likeness to a degree does not mean that this is the only way they can create life, it just shows its the way they chose to do it. We cant say this is how they would create their own Engineers, and its all a Mystery still and hopefully we will get more answers in Paradise.

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XENOMORK

OvomorphMember0 XPJul-19-2013 6:42 PMIMHO - at first glance, we are looking at an egg containing a facehugger. If we look at the real world purpose of a church deacon- a deacon either serves the church who in turn then serves god or maybe protects the church or at the very least assists in the running or ministry of the church or a church pastor who in turn again -serves God. I believe that whatever is in that pod grew at the same time as the Deacon and he is protecting it - if you really look hard - it looks like an original egg with the split top that then opened to impregnate Kane on the Nostromo. ? If Ridley ws more supportive of the James Cameron myhtos side-then I would say this is the Queen and he is there to protect her. Yet again this is NOT LV 426 so lindelof and ridley and the producers have messed this part up in my opinion That Said I love Prometheus both filmation and the mystery of it -- but somewhere in between a great reboot script by Spaihts and the final by Lindelof is a story but its just messed. I am not bragging but I could write PRometheus 2 but every time I think about it - the crashed ship is on LV223 and Shaw and David are gone and here is this weird from (a weaker ? or stronger form of Xeno ?) ---------------- is the Queen inside shaw ? David ? OR is APex Predator and the responses correct : a dead egg that rolled out along with the violent birth but again totally me ------the Deacon who will grow to be huge is a protector of that egg -- Deacon will be VERY huge and the Queen was huge ---and of course I cant resist : then how does Yutani know about it (unless David is a spy ) and how does THE COMPANY know how to be on the lookout for transmissions. I like mysteries but as a fan I am feeling more and more cheated every day

granolaboy

OvomorphMember0 XPJul-20-2013 3:54 PMWhy would the engineer have a pre-existing egg in his body ??? I'm not against this idea, not at all, but for now, I just can't find the reason for this... This said... Don't we already have a picture of the deacon (we just see his hands) holding an egg which is visible on the mural inside the ampule room ? Scary though !!!
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Major Noob

OvomorphMember0 XPJul-20-2013 8:41 PMSomeone correct me if Im wrong but I thought I saw an image from the Art of the Film book that showed the Deacon running with that thing in its hands.

granolaboy

OvomorphMember0 XPJul-21-2013 4:48 AM[img]http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/media/concept026.jpg[/img]
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BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPJul-22-2013 7:19 AMThe Deacons hands are very Human like and not like the above image this image was in Prometheus as one of the Murals but we only get a quick glimpse of it as it is starting to degrade to nothing. The hands in that image are the hands of the Xenomorph we see in Aliens movies... slightly different to the Original Big Chap Alien from the 1979 Original.

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granolaboy

OvomorphMember0 XPJul-22-2013 5:06 PMso Why would a xenomorph facehugg itself ? scary stuff becomes somehow funny !
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BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPJul-23-2013 8:31 AMlol.... Looks that way does it, well he is sticking his head in the Egg... Thats how it appears..... Now going back to the Alien draft after Star Beast and some of the comments by people involved in that movie in its early stages. There was originally a Temple on LV 426, one that had Murals of the strange life cycle of the Organism and it had like a Altar. This Altar is where Sacrificial Animals or other lifeforms where placed upon and then a Leathery Urn (Egg) was carried to and placed on the Altar. Then off course the restrained victim would then fall victim to the Face Huger stage of the reproductive Cycle. Also other comments in past from those working on the movie mention that the Xenos tend to the Eggs.... Could this Mural show us a Adult Xeno, carry a Egg thats about to open to be placed near a victim to be sacrificed? If so it implies the Xeno is far more intelligent species than the Alien Franchise has us to believe.

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Deltadromeus

OvomorphMember0 XPJul-30-2013 2:18 PMDoes anyone here know what a real Trilobite looks like?

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BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPAug-01-2013 11:09 AMWell Trilobite is a Ancient Arthropod that is extinct.... You can Google for more information but they are a primitive organism that have a exo-skeleton. If you mean by the movie, well the adult Baby of Shaw that Face Hugs the Last Engineer is the Prometheus Trilobite. Now its reported that the actual original name for that creature was not Trilobite by Troglobite... Now that describes creatures that usually live in caves or low depths of the sea, it basically means Organisms that never venture out into the sunlight and often as such have no eyes.

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