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What Happened to the Engineers on LV_223?

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Chris

DeaconAdmin19707 XPJun-09-2012 9:37 PMIn Prometheus Fifield and Milburn stumble upon a pile of dead Engineers in their Bio-Suits in the East wing of the Alien Temple. Some of the Engineers show busted heads, others show busted rub cages. What could have caused this? [center][url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/121][img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap30.jpg[/img][/url][/center] Obviously, something got "out" in the Temple and prevented the Engineers from departing from LV_223 some 2000 years prior to the events of December, 2093. When David activated the holographic recording of the Engineers running away from something, the crew follow them to entrance of the Ampule Room where one of the Engineers perished at the foot of the door before being decapitated by it. [center][url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/119][img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap28.jpg[/img][/url][/center] Why were the Engineers seeking refuge in the Ampule in the first place? Where did they go? Were they eventually found in that room and dragged to where Fifield and Milburn discover their dead remains? Also, where are the beings responsible for this? Did they disappear? Or perhaps did they hijack one of the other Juggernaut Space Vessels as it was attempting to escape and this is what brings us to ALIEN? Could the original Xenomorph creation (Seen in the Mural) be the cause of this massacre? Could they have gotten on one of the ships without the Engineer knowing? Or was this something else? Could it have been a different breed of Alien? An interesting thing to note is that the way in which the Engineers were all gathered in one place and then killed (I'm assuming) mimics that of what we see in ALIENS and even a deleted scene of ALIEN - where the Xenomorphs drag their victims to a spot, near the Hive's core where they can be impregnated and the offspring born without danger. Could an Alien Hive have been created on LV_223 inside the Engineer Temple? Could a premature Queen have emerged and started reproducing and forming a Hive? If so, then what caused them to disappear? Why did Fifield and Milburn not discover Hive resin on the walls? Or any remains from the antagonists? Could the Aliens have ventured to another Temple in search of more hosts? Or did the Engineers find a way to stop them somehow? This topic contains many, many, many questions for you all to dissect and speculate over. Post your thoughts and opinions on this here! Hopefully we will get our answer when Prometheus 2 surfaces!
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Visionary Alpha

OvomorphMember0 XPOct-26-2012 6:58 PMI don't see any busted rib cages, only one hole in one of their helmets/ heads. The rib cage like things you see are part of their suits. What killed them did so by making their heads explode, "from within". The explosion was stopped in the decapitated one by its death, then allowed to happen when the flesh was tricked into thinking it was still alive. Another faction, intent on destroying the engineers, was probably responsible.

Indy John

OvomorphMember0 XPOct-26-2012 10:25 PM"..What killed them did so by making their heads explode.." JUst before this scene,,,the beheded Engineer was unmasked. To me it looked like he was content,,,With the events just before he was beheaded,, I would have expected a contorted face,,,at least. If the other Engineers did indeed see heads explode,,,they must have felt extreme tension,,knowing they couhoweverld be wiped out. I had not seen your line of thinking before,,and it adds to the storyline,,,however I am with you on somebody calling the shots in the pyramid..
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Visionary Alpha

OvomorphMember0 XPOct-26-2012 11:10 PMShaw says the decapitated engineer looked like he was trying to figure out what happened just before he died, and she wonders then if there was "an outbreak here" as she puts it. I thought he looked content, too, and as sad as it is, I think he became content when he realized his wouldn't explode after all--seeing his beheading coming. He might have been thinking along the lines of "at least my tissue won't be transformed/ destroyed like that". From their perspective, they would have probably regarded their own forms as near-perfect.

Visionary Alpha

OvomorphMember0 XPOct-26-2012 11:20 PMThat or that his beheading would be a painless death by comparison.

Indy John

OvomorphMember0 XPOct-27-2012 6:54 AMYes ..that could, be his 'resignation to his fate'...look..
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LINUS SPACEHEAD

OvomorphMember0 XPOct-29-2012 12:18 AMIt looks like their biological doomsday weapon got out of control ( the alien of 1 2 and 3 ) A weapon to wipe out all life forms. This might tie in to alien space jockey trying to escape. But why create this weapon and want to unleash it on us?

PickleGuy

OvomorphMember0 XPOct-30-2012 2:12 PMThe question of "Why create this weapon?" and "Why would they want to destroy the human race?" - has been asked multiple times across multiple forum topic categories and posts. The reality is that the only real answer at this point is: We don't know. It's all guesswork and hypotheses right now. But PERSONALLY, I think a couple of things: 1) The Space Jockeys created life on Earth. 2) They created life on earth "because they could" - meaning, possibly, that given there aren't very many planets that COULD support life, having found one that could, why not spread our existence here? 3) Why destroy the human race? - if that is, in fact, what the intentions of the SJ in the last scene are meant to portray - My guess is that after reading Weiland's thoughts and hearing David's thoughts, maybe his logic was, "After all of their evolution, this is what we have created?? They are better off extinct." Just my thoughts......

urwithsteve

OvomorphMember0 XPOct-30-2012 10:11 PMm not aware of this... i didn't notice

JasonGarnham

OvomorphMember0 XPOct-31-2012 9:29 PMI don't think the engineers were killed by aliens I think the the weapon they had broke out and they were all infected if you remember shaw noticed that the crew being in the head room had changed the climate causing the black goo to leak from the flasks so suffice to say what the engineers had developed was highly volatile also the weapon was designed for humans not engineers so it affected them in a different way.like a previous post the head room might have had religious value to them but also bear in mind the engineers I think stabilised the weapon as the goo only started producing when David opened the door after two thousand years.also David made matters worse by touching and examining a flask.also a possibility is the engineers killed each other when infected.

JasonGarnham

OvomorphMember0 XPOct-31-2012 9:49 PMOf course another interesting fact is that when the nostromo in alien investigates the ship it is because it finds a message coming from the planet that they eventually work out as a warning when the prometheus arrives at its destination no signal from the planet no warning it would be interesting if that the warning in the original was made by shaw or David somehow either way I reckon there will be two more movies and they will tie everything together and all will be explained.i hope lol

Cerulean Blue

FacehuggerMember446 XPNov-02-2012 11:24 AMIn the book of Genesis, after GOD flooded the Eart, HE promised to never do it again. Did GOD put an end to the Engineers' meddling with us by causing the outbreak on LV-223?

SubsumeYou

OvomorphMember0 XPNov-03-2012 12:11 PMNo.o.

garrett

OvomorphMember0 XPNov-03-2012 2:06 PMPrometheus Explained from my perspective: Opening: Bringing Life, the true “Engineers”. Life forms that saw it as a mission to go about the Galaxy “seeding” planets even to the point of sacrificing their own life. Hopeful and expecting to see beings rise from their own DNA to bring company and different solutions to the Galaxy. Though this being looks nearly identical to the beings they contact on the planet, it is not. Much larger! (Original Space Jockey). This being has smooth skin very similar structure to humans, where as the beings encountered by the crew where smaller in size, had signs of infection, and the being in hyper-sleep was a little different all-together (I'll get there). The Paintings: Warnings, not invitations. These were warnings to the future generations, do not go there. As the true “engineers” visited their planets as they grew. The Moon Planet: This is an isolated moon that the True Engineers had made to contain the Xenomorph species. In their exploration of the galaxies, there was one species that came about that began to eradicate life with low intelligence that spread throughout the Galaxy adapting and killing. The True Engineers decided to eradicate the threat to all life but to store it's essence in a secure location because of their respect for life. Many planets were eradicated, terraformed, and seeded again with the True Engineers' own life and DNA as a way to live on and hope to drive evolution to intelligence and peace. The dead “Engineers”: were beings from one of the seeded planets that evolved more quickly and had a hands-on and closer relationship to the True Engineers that shows in their technology similarities. However, they saw the threat of the Xenomorph life form virus as one that needed to be irradiated. They set up base and began loading their ships to destroy it or move it to somewhere it will never be a problem. However, their plan went astray... The Bad Engineer in Hyper-Sleep: During the moving and storing on the ships an accident occurred (something unforeseen in storage maybe). One of the Engineers becomes infected (Much like when the human man was infected, had he not been burnt, he would have looked awesome) and begins to morph into something stronger, a little different, and a motivated with the will of the Xenomorph. He attacks and intelligently kills off his crew mates (shadows of them running). However could not leave the world to begin his own re-seeding the Xenomorphs, due to his crew being able to drain the power or somehow causing an atmosphere collapse or something of the nature to cause him to need the Hyper-Sleep without control of waking. The Bad Engineer Awakens: I'm sure you can piece this together. The Baby Alien from pregnancy: It attacks the Bad Engineer due to a natural instinct towards its true mother because it was brought in differently. Such as in Alien Ressurect. It did not have the Hive-Mind Xenomorph will, so it attacked and infected the Bad Engineer. The Deacon Alien: Does not have Xenomorph will. It has some predatory instinct from Xenomorph, intelligence from Engineers, curiosity and cleverness from Mankind. A new life-form all together. Neither Xenomorph nor truly Engineer/ Human. How will it breed? How will it interact with other life forms? Will it be misunderstood? How intelligent is it? The Downed True Engineer, Space jockey ship from the Original series: Boarded by Xenomorph and lost during their eradication campaign. Where are the Android and Girl going: Not sure, but maybe to get answers and will cause an “accidental” outbreak of Xenomorph and maybe later could make a good Xenomorph vs Deacon movie? Will Man and Engineer alike lay down their lives to stop the Xenomorphs and work with the Deacons?

JMoore74

OvomorphMember0 XPNov-04-2012 9:25 PMI personally think that the Engineers in the recording, running down the hall, were running from a human. Look what happened to Fifield. This comes from the Murals and Artifacts that were found with the system configuration. Why would these Engineers draw on walls, or fabricate these tablets with the origins of where they were at? I believe they 'showed' us humans, by bringing us there to 'experiment' on. But that's me. Also there were more chambers that weren't explored.

igordski

OvomorphMember0 XPNov-05-2012 12:03 AMI think the opening scene has been lost a little here too. There is a sense of betrayal here. Its starts out as if the lone figure opening the spheroid vial and drinking deeply, was expecting something more like the elixir of life. Until now their Xenophon enemy is not portrayed as technologically superior, but rather just one hell of a tough persistent insectoid. How about some more thought and discussion on this.

Aasoil

OvomorphMember0 XPNov-14-2012 4:31 PMI agree with Antonio. as far as I'm concerned , LV-223 was a secret bioengineering lab and test facility. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out there was obviously an outbreak. and it was contained but at the exspense of the "Enginneers" who perished.? And the curious humans came along and as usual screw things up. Hence the sleeping Enginner who went ballistic after being "awaken" too early. the "eggs" containing the "Xenomorph" DNA. look back at when Kane noticed them in Alien 1.0

Indy John

OvomorphMember0 XPNov-15-2012 5:00 AMA question to me was why didn't other Bee Hives come to investigste the Prometheus landing? THer eis too much effort to establish the base and the pyramids and the Juggernauts not to have a security of at leasyt a warning system to their home. I like the Bioengineering lab thread..and could apply here. Our earthlings may not have caused a screw up,,but they certainly stumbled across a disaster in the Engineer's world. I do hope that there is some explanation of what this moon is all about before going on to meet the Creators and the rest. I already assume we are the entities with the least knowlege of what is really going on..bottom of the cosmic scale so to speak. It is time for David/Shaw to kick some &^%&* a** and become a player in the Universe!
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WhiteW01f

OvomorphMember0 XPDec-04-2012 2:18 AMSo a little plot twisting may be needed but here it goes: What if the room is similar to a panic-room you go lock yourself in the head where you may also have sacrificed yourself by becoming infected, but given shelter enough to harvest/birth a xenomorph that would take out what remained of the threat. I am pretty sure I recall David stroking the obtuse side of the vase previous to saying “curious, it’s organic?” or the like. If indeed he where touching the goo itself, I doubt we would have needed the drama of his contact with a mere spec of it, though it’s potencies and the variables that writers introduce us to seem cemented by nothing, except the goo is somehow being designed specifically to become something evil/ innocent at some beings will (but isn’t that just pray for the cats), if Engineers are anything like the other aliens I will speak of. So who could escape visual detection and has shared our universe too? I know some will hate me for saying this. What other aliens have humans come in contact with that would give two cruds what happened to us? What if they don’t want to see their corporate retreat destroyed? Maybe they like the mini Engineer inhabitants, which are oh so easy to clean. They eventually get over run by xenomorphs and abandon the mission figuring if any survive they will just destroy them from orbit. No one leaves the surface, so they go home, with place crawling with xenomorphs, that I guess lie dormant somewhere.
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Muad'Dib

OvomorphMember0 XPDec-04-2012 10:49 AM@infidel [i]we don't know that the ampules, or the goo, were even in that room 2,000 years ago when that event happened.[/i] So they brought the ampules and took time to sculpt a big head and paint the walls but didn't bother swiping the head off the floor? Sounds very unlikely.

Indy John

OvomorphMember0 XPDec-04-2012 1:55 PMThe playing of the hologram and the placement of the decapitated heasd were left as a trail for the crew members to follow. We can discuss why the Running Engineers were even presented to the crew due to David's actions but the result is the discovery of the Big Head Room. This sort of ties into WhiteW01f's comments about them not letting any xenos escape from the moon. The dying Engineers knew that the goo and resulting morphing that would take place if any visitors toured the tunnels would be wiped out as they themselves were. The result was the same. Nobody or no thing will leave this moon alive. So just leaving the head laying on the floor does seem unlikely but might still be explained.
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WhiteW01f

OvomorphMember0 XPDec-05-2012 1:26 AMYeah I was just wanting to ask Infidel753 to consider that his temple concept could... ...be a place to store inert grenades (weapons), if you are a really sinister being with lots of enemies. Disbeleivers who enter this temple will serve the greater purpose by activating the grenades and taking a little evil home.
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javablue

OvomorphMember4 XPDec-08-2012 2:48 PMThey were killed by humans. Fifield said it remind him of a "Holocaust painting' (why "painting" I wonder) - what species carried out the Holocaust?

Indy John

OvomorphMember0 XPDec-08-2012 11:16 PMPaintingng is a curious word choice. Based on what I could see in the brief scene it would have looked more like a sculpture. Even if humans were involves in the stack of Engineer bodies I doubt the physical means of doing this was humanly possible.
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javablue

OvomorphMember4 XPDec-09-2012 1:20 AMPainting is a very curious word. Doing a painting of the holocaust may be considered very bad taste. We have photos. It's a clue to Fifield's state of mind. Btw, did you notice Janek's complete non-reaction to Fifield's screen shot of the massacred SJs? He wouldn't have passed Deckard's Voight-Kampff test. If we can shoot the crap out of xenos, a few big white fellas shouldn't present any problems. The weapons in Prometheus were only pop guns; nothing like we're really capable of, even now.

Indy John

OvomorphMember0 XPDec-10-2012 4:44 PM"..Btw, did you notice Janek's complete non-reaction to Fifield's screen shot .." @javablue I sure did and wondered why Janek didn't respod to what Fifiels and Millburn were seeing. Alarm bells should have went off. Was there some waht to rescue the two during the storm? Ptobably not. Janel did nothing to console the two stranded in the tunnels. You mentioned Fifield state of mind. THis could be a thread to it's own. *We see Fified saying he was only in it for the money, *Fifield looked worried when entering the pyramid *When stranded wanting to send a message to Shaw THere were other scenes offering a glimpse into the Fifield charactor. All could be analyzed
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WhiteW01f

OvomorphMember0 XPDec-17-2012 5:39 AMOh yeah, I honestly don't know the actor from other parts, but based on the characters responsibilty to keep his crew safe-he seems to be purpously non-chalant about them getting stuck in the caves, not even a discussion about attempts to send them extra supplies and air should things get worse, really? Maybe I am revealing another plot hole. Yeah I think Janek was pretty much following orders to leave those guys out there, perhaps he even fed them bad corridinates/directions to get them lost, cause they didn't lose comms right away.
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Indy John

OvomorphMember0 XPDec-17-2012 6:31 AMJanek following orders? I had not thought of this plotline. Giving mis directions to the left Crew members just seems a bit cold for Janek. Could David have a role in this whole stranded storyline? Still you sort of wonder who did drive the Transport from the pyramid to the Prometheus.
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nemis007

OvomorphMember0 XPApr-03-2013 11:00 PMI don't feel we need to know what the reason was that they were running down the hall. My reasoning is this. Since ths movie was about how the "alien" creature came to be. If you tried to explain how things there went so bad, you'd be setting yourself up behind the 8 ball before anything began because now you'd have to come up with something (an alien) as awesome as "alien" or "predator" that would match the ferocity and intelligence of either of these creations, to be worth being in the same facility as them. That would be an almost impossible task in itself, on top of having to create another amazing movie. Due to this, I think we should just focus on where the ship went, and what it experienced, in it's search for the home planet of the aliens that were running that facility.

astromax

OvomorphMember0 XPApr-13-2013 11:19 AMDon't be side tracked by the distracting details. A hive? Resin? A queen? forget all that. This project is about Shaw and David and the opposite philosophies they represent.

astromax

OvomorphMember0 XPApr-13-2013 11:19 AMDon't be side tracked by the distracting details. A hive? Resin? A queen? forget all that. This project is about Shaw and David and the opposite philosophies they represent.
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