XenotarisPraetorianMember3846 XPNov-18-2022 7:04 AM
I hope its good and has zero connections to the marvel storyline
Thoughts_DreamsNeomorphMember1641 XPNov-19-2022 3:58 AM
Please get the human characters right, and no focus on androids. As long as they do this, I guess that it’ll be alright. To give us something about the Engineers in some way would be nice.
ignorantGuyChestbursterMember900 XPNov-20-2022 6:52 AM
I really hope that they will dress her up in similar way to Devs, meaning androginous to piss-off the anti-SJW crowd.
BigDaveDeaconMember10354 XPNov-23-2022 7:22 AM
It will be Interesting to see the TIME-LINE of this Movie and IF it is Connected to the Upcoming TV Series. Not a LOT is known at Present but its LIKELY to Feature the Xenomorph more than in the Prequels.
We can ONLY go and Guess as to the Direction of this Movie but it seems Ridley Scott will be Connected with it and so WHO KNOWS what this will Bring. Will it be Connected to the Prequels or the Original Movies or the TV Series we just cant be SURE...
Perhaps the ONLY real Connecting Tissue will be the Xenomorph itself.
I am Concerned that UNDER the Ownership of DISNEY what we will get is like a Multi-verse... so that Each Part of the Franchise will be its OWN take on the Xenomorph and so its HISTORY will be Different with each Incarnation.
So it would be like the Christopher Nolan Batman movies vs the Tim Burton ones, where the ONLY like Connection is the Character.... Mainly Batman.
XenotarisPraetorianMember3846 XPNov-23-2022 4:06 PM
so Alien might get the Godzilla treatment
BigDaveDeaconMember10354 XPNov-24-2022 6:52 AM
Possibly only TIME will tell.
ORIGINALLY we had ALIEN and ALIENS then we began to see the Franchise Explored in other Media Forms.... where some of the Comics/Novels etc would Attempt to be Canon and Connect to ALIENS. But with ALIEN 3 these would then Contradict the Movie Franchise and so are kind of like ALTERNATIVE STORIES.
Ridley Scott had intended the Prequels to be DIRECT CANON.... but they did-not go down with too Many and Contradicted what they Felt that ALIEN had shown and ALIENS to a Degree.
What we know about the TV Series is that it appears it would be CANON but i cant see how this CAN NOT just Conflict the Franchise. (Xenomorphs on Earth like Nearly 25 Years before ALIEN!).
So i am NOT SURE as to HOW they are going to Explain that away..... if they INTEND the Events of the TV SERIES to Prequel the Movies and be Chronological Direct Canon.
Will the TV Series be as much Direct Canon to Alien as Aliens is? Who knows...
Regarding the MOVIE... we have NO INFORMATION at Present... only that Ridley Scott will be Involved and it looks like it does-not Directly Follow any Events of the Prequels or the Ripley Saga of Alien Movies.
The GALAXY is a BIG PLACE..... the ALIEN FRANCHISE as far as MOVIES has only Ventured within a 50LY Radius of Earth.... There could be other Xenomorphs out there beyond 500 LY, 1000 LY and if they SET IT say Between ALIEN 3 and ALIEN R then that leaves a LOT to Explore.... without Stepping on the TOES of the Franchise.....
Which Puzzles me to WHY the TV Series will be SET on Earth between 2095-2100, it shows a Lack of Imagination and No Consideration for Canon.
But saying that.... Blomkamps Alien V would have brought back Ripley as a Sequel to ALIENS... where ALIEN 3 would NOT Exist......and even the Hill and Giler version of ALIEN V would have brought Ripley back... where ONE or MORE of the Movies would have been..... NIGHTMARES...
So it will be Interesting to see what the Fede Alvarez Idea is and if there is any Originality to it....... it does appear it would NOT be Connecting to Ripley tough which is Good News.
My concerns is i dont think there is a LOT of Miles with the ALIEN Gimmick.... you have to be Very Clever and Original otherwise you RUN the Risk of it getting STALE... I FEAR that should the TV Series and Movie become a FLOP or Poor.... then its HOW can you Rescue the Franchise then?
Thoughts_DreamsNeomorphMember1641 XPNov-25-2022 4:54 AM
BD: I doesn't got to have the Xeno in it to be good. Focus on the story and human characters. They usually get the monsters and the look right, so I'm not worried about that. Hopefully we'll get some new monsters as a part of it.
As far as Ridley's involvement, that's where I'm worried that he will try to steer this into his android-verse. He already massed it up with the prequels and RBW. I hope that someone will tell him no, as far as affecting the story. Keep him with the art-department.
“Ridley Scott had intended the Prequels to be DIRECT CANON.…”
Fox and Scott messed it up, so I don't want them to be canon, but rather interesting failures. They can look back at them for interesting parts to have in future projects, but not be in the official alien time-line.
“ it looks like it does-not Directly Follow any Events of the Prequels or the Ripley Saga of Alien Movies.”
That's a good thing, there's time for something new. Just because they don't follow the prequels doesn't mean that they need to go back to what's 40 years old. Hopefully they'll add more things.
I wouldn't have liked Blompkamps thing or Giler and Hill’s stuff. They both ignored Alien 3, which I like. Maybe it would have been better than Alien 3, but I doubt it.
About the Alvarez-project, I hope that they take it as an opportunity to introduce new things. What they shouldn't do is to have lame human characters, an over-importance on androids, and keep it too familiar.
“My concerns is i dont think there is a LOT of Miles with the ALIEN Gimmick.... “
Have versions of it, but don't show them too much and let the focus be on other things. What would you like to see in the franchise to keep it alive? Do you mean the monster itself? The role it has?
BigDaveDeaconMember10354 XPNov-25-2022 7:40 AM
In regards to the A.I Element i think that RS was looking to touch upon it in a Number of Ways, which would also INCLUDE the Consequences of Artificially Creating Life, which is NOT just limited to Synthetic/Robotic. It seems that Noah Hawley's show will involve the Creation of Augmented Humanoids so much more closer to Replicants, who then we shall see that ONE of these will have the CONSCIOUSNESS/SOUL of ONE of the Female Lead Characters.
But in Regards to the MOVIE... we just dont have any INFORMATION.... The ONLY thing we can Guarantee is it will have the XENOMORPH and i think it will be something SIMILAR or the SAME as we have seen in the Franchise. And that it does-not Connect to the Prequels or Ripley.... which maybe means that the Events are NOT like Directly Connected.... so that the Prequels or other Movies would NOT go and Directly Connect to the NEW MOVIE....
This Does-Not mean that it would IGNORE the Prequels... or the Franchise, its going to be Interesting as to IF/HOW it would Connect to the TV Series as this seems a BIG CONFLICT.
Here is a WAY we can look at the Potential.
1) If the Movie will NOT have the Prequels (or TV show) as Canon, then we have the Avenue to ask the Following.
*Will the Movie Cover a Visit to LV-426 and the Derelict prior to ALIEN?
*What remains of the Derelict after ALIENS and prior to ALIEN Resurrection?
*Was the Derelict the ONLY such Ship with that Cargo, was there others and WHERE are they?
*Where did the Space Jockey Obtain the Xenomorph?
2) If we have the Prequels as Canon then it Opens up the Following as well as the above!
*What becomes of the remaining Xenomorph Eggs on Planet 4 after the Events of Alien Covenant?
*What becomes of those Face Huggers that David has on the Covenant Ship and WHAT would have Proceeded where he goes Next?
*What other Horrors are on LV-223?
*What other Worlds has the Pathogen been USED ON and what has become of these?
*What is the Basis of the Pathogen and its Origin.
I do think the Emphasis would be on the Xenomorph and NOT the other kinds of Horrors in regards to the Black Goo and Engineers.
My Money would be on either....
A) We will Explore another Place/World were there are other Xenomorphs either in a Time-Line before ALIEN or after ALIENS..... which will Conflict Alien Resurrection well Potentially.
B) We will go back to LV-426 either prior to ALIEN or after ALIENS...
C) The Events will Connect to HOW/WHERE we get the Xenomorph in the TV Series and will be SET like after the TV Series Time-Line.
D) Some kind of NEW and Unconnected Alternative Story/Plot or a Reboot of Sorts.
BigDaveDeaconMember10354 XPNov-25-2022 7:55 AM
"What would you like to see in the franchise to keep it alive? Do you mean the monster itself? The role it has?"
Well it Depends on HOW and WHAT the Movie has for WHAT the Xenomorph is!
1) Some Engineered Organism by either David or the Engineers/Space Jockey or other Race.
2) Some Natural Organism that Exists in the Cosmos that the Engineers/Space Jockey had attempted to Re-Engineer and then David too.
3) Something that has a Viral Origin or where the Pathogen is shown to have come from and that its USE will always eventually lead to the Xenomorph.
From what we have seen so FAR in ALL the Movies which Includes the AVP ones, then i have to agree with Ridley Scotts Comment.... "there is only so much Chest Bursting and Snarling you can do"
We have a Organism that Procreates via the Stages we have seen and then it KILLS, which could be to PROCREATE its Species.....
But its then WHAT? Do we Evolve it or Explore it to be able to Communicate? to Build Better Worlds and its own Bio-Ships? If this is done RIGHT then maybe it could work.... if its done Wrong we could have a Rubbish Merger of the BORG and the BUGS from Starship Troopers.
So i think that Ridley Scott was Correct in that you can ONLY do so much with the Xenomorph where you then have to look at WHO had Created them and WHY or for WHAT other kind of Purpose can you gain from them apart from having Deadly Killing Machines!
I think the Xenomorph has more of a Risk of being Over-saturated and Exposed. And so while you can USE them, the Focus has to go towards WHO had Created them and WHY or WHY would someone want to Obtain them beyond using the Eggs to KILL OFF say a Target.
In HINDSIGHT the Prequels had Big Ideas that were too BOLD for the Fans and would have Lessened the Role of the Xenomorph. The Xenomorph and LV-426 Origins including the Space Jockey should have remained a MYSTERY.
We should have gone to another World were there are Eggs... maybe this is WHAT the Movie would do... but again the Xenomorph can only be USED so much in the Capacity we have seen before it will get STALE... in my Opinion that is.
XenotarisPraetorianMember3846 XPNov-26-2022 11:26 PM
I'm still trying to wrap my brain around an ALIEN movie that lacks Androids and Xenomorphs. You know two aspects that make an ALIEN movie an ALIEN movie!
What could possibly replace the xenomorphs? The Neomorph and Deacon are more or less xenomorph relatives and thus follows all of the xenomorph tropes being eyeless parasitoids with an additional set of jaws. So the Prequel creatures are technically NOT new monsters but simply a variation of a classic beast.
Its no different from the Godzilla movies where Godzilla is basically the same monster with a new paint job. So tell me who could possible replace the xenomorphs?
XenotarisPraetorianMember3846 XPNov-26-2022 11:50 PM
What about in-between ALIEN and ALIENS? I mean it could be a self contain stand-alone movie or possibly a trilogy. Why didn't the company try their luck on LV-426 when Ripley was asleep for 57 years
Thoughts_DreamsNeomorphMember1641 XPNov-27-2022 7:10 AM
Well, reduce the role of the androids (not get rid of them totally). As far as the Xenos are concerned, try to add things to their family-tree. They don't need to be Xenos, but maybe (and hopefully) far related relatives. Let's take birds, there are different kinds of birds (you can take dogs as an example too) so why can't the same be used for the Xeno-family? I would rather see something new, or a new variation of something, than the same thing over and over again.
Thoughts_DreamsNeomorphMember1641 XPNov-27-2022 7:19 AM
BD: OK, so artificially created humans, seems a bit too much like RBW for me. Maybe it just ignites my dislike of that series if they will try something similar, and therefore throw crap on the alien-franchise. Perhaps if they'll get enough of the characters right and keep the alien-ness of it, that might work but I’m afraid that it’ll be too much like Blade Runner. Honestly I'm more worried than excited, especially with Scott in it.
I don't think that a spin-off series would be bad because it gives you more free space so to speak, and not be tied to what came before. Try new things and see how it goes. My interest is bigger towards that, than if they would announce a third prequel.
You mention in 1) a number of questions. I’m not sure if those need to be answered, not that they are dumb questions, but because there need to be some mystery in the franchise. Without some mystery, the fun is gone. One of the fun things is to imagine what could have been. A lot of the times your own answers are better than what the movie gives (prequels is an example). Maybe some of them can be answered, but then you got to come up with new mysteries that are smart, interesting, and that make sense. The pathogen is a fascinating thing that was introduced, but I think that they should leave it alone, no answers given. Sometimes I wonder about its origins, how it works, what it could create and so on, but I really don’t need that to be answered because it gives you less to think about
“D) Some kind of NEW and Unconnected Alternative Story/Plot or a Reboot of Sorts.”
Of all the alternatives, this seems the most interesting to me. If you try to come up with new things, you expand the franchise and keep it alive. Try to avoid the same old, been there done that sort of.
“1) Some Engineered Organism by either David or the Engineers/Space Jockey or other Race.
2) Some Natural Organism that Exists in the Cosmos that the Engineers/Space Jockey had attempted to Re-Engineer and then David too.
3) Something that has a Viral Origin or where the Pathogen is shown to have come from and that its USE will always eventually lead to the Xenomorph.”
The only alternative that I dislike of those is that it's something that David has got to do with. It makes it too close to human activity. Don't let humans directly or indirectly be responsible for the Xeno. Alien Covenant sort of did this, and that was one of the most disappointing things in the franchise to me.
Scott was alright for saying that you got to come in with new things, unfortunately he decided to replace the monsters with android-babbling which was very disappointing.
“the Prequels had Big Ideas that were too BOLD for the Fans”
I don't think that the ideas is what the fans were against, for me at least. When you say that it, reads to me that the audience weren't smart enough. Just because you like a movie doesn't make you a professor. Obviously, I'm not aiming this at you personally, but it annoys me if someone would have that attitude just because they like a movie. My dislike was that there were too few characters to care for, and that it became about the androids.
XenotarisPraetorianMember3846 XPNov-27-2022 12:21 PM
With all due respect, the dog analogy kind of contradicts your statement for a new beast because the xenomorphs operate on the different dog breed analogy. Hear me out.
With xenomorphs, you various different breeds like dogs and cats. Larval stages aside: You got Drones, Runners, Warriors, Crushers, Spitters, Preatorians, Queens, Empress, Queen-mother, Ravagers, Prowlers, Bursters (Not to be confused with chestbursters), Flying Queens, Flying warriors, Dragons, Carriers, Boilers, Palatine, Snake-Aliens, Boar-Aliens, Bull-Aliens, Scorpion-Aliens, Mantis-Aliens, clawed xenomorphs, Ultramorph/Jockey-Aliens, etc.
The xenomorph relatives are less like different species of bird and more like different species of ant. To me the xenomorph, neomorph, and the deacons have more similarities than differences much like ants. The xenomorph is like the common variety ant like the Black Garden Ant, the neomorph are more like Pharaoh Ants, and the Deacons are like Trap-Jaw Ants