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How might the mini facehugger be used?

How might the mini facehugger be used?

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dk

Oct-23-2017 10:35 PM

We all know how the facehugger works. At the end of AC we see it as pictured above. I am wondering how it might be introduced to a host. It is not in an egg waiting for a victim. It is obviously too small to strangle and implant an egg in a human. It seems possible to scurry down a victim's throat. It may be able to be implanted surgically, the encasement might then dissolve to let the little bugger to do its work. Does anyone have any ideas about this? 

24 Responses to How might the mini facehugger be used?

daliens

Oct-23-2017 11:00 PM

Maybe that's how eggmorphing works in David's world. Like his chestburster is different from what we already knew. Probably will not find out.

I still don't know if in Covenant he invented the Protomorph or just showed us how the engineers created it.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

dk

Oct-23-2017 11:27 PM

It was not clear to me how the egg was created. 

Somehow, this is all supposed to marry with Alien and we should see the biomechanical Xeno. That would be fascinting. OT- I am fine leaving the SJ a mystery.

daliens

Oct-24-2017 1:43 AM

For me it was unbelievable that the xenomorph is David's doing. It still is.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

BigDave

Oct-24-2017 6:56 AM

I think the logical route would be that David somehow uses something to grow the Face Hugger Embryos,  you see the ship had like 1000 other Embryos and we know they wont grow in those little storage capsules.

so if these Embryos are say for Lifestock, then they would need some kind of Chamber/Storage Vessel where they can grow. If the Embyros are Human then they may not need this as they could be implanted into a Female Womb.

Logically it would appear David would therefor use what ever means the Covenant Crew would have used to Grow the other Embryos into the Organisms they are intended to be.  And then David would have a fully grown Face Hugger at his disposal.

We know so LITTLE regarding the Face Hugger, other than the Adult Form grows inside of the Eggs until it is ready and then it awaits for a Host to pass by.  So we DO-NOT know yet the Life-Cycle/Growth of the Egg from when a Egg is small to when it grows and also grows the Face Hugger inside, but maybe we can ASSUME the Face Hugger Embryo Gestates and Grows inside and with the Eggs, and so perhaps only when it is at Fully Grown it can then proceed with the Organisms Method of Procreation and Implant a Xenomorph Embryo.

What i am implying is maybe the small Face Hugger can not implant a Embryo at this stage but it needs to Grow in order to do this.  I know the Organism is consider Perfection and it is all about Procreation, but i just feel the Fact we have Fully Grown Face Huggers in the Franchise and not Tiny Ones leads me to think that there is some purpose for why this Organism has to grow to the Egg Ready Adult Stage.

But we cant rule out a Tiny Face Hugger being able to infect a Host.

But i am going for that David will have to Grow them via what ever means the Covenant Crew intended to grow the other embryos...

A INTERESTING Question would be WHAT-IF all those Embryos are Humans?

And then WHAT-IF they intention is then to Implant them into willing Hosts to carry and grow the Human Embryos (Surrogate Mothers) this however is odd as it makes not much sense to Carry 1000 Human Embryos when you have 2000 Colonist that could be split a near 50/50 Male and Female.  As surely having Sex to Procreate would be the Objective and i think a Mission would have screened and tested the Colonist to make sure a Majority are Fertile and can Naturally Procreate. 

It makes more sense to Carry animals and life-stock in Embryo Form however....

But if we go back and ASSUME these are Human Embryos and if we ASSUME they intention is to be placed inside a Female Surrogate, meaning there is no other ways to Grow those Human Embryos.

THEN THIS..... Leads us to ONE very GRUESOME way that David will have to grow his Face Huggers that would be to have them gestate inside a Female Womb to Grow, and then David can Surgically Extract them... or maybe allow them to Escape from the Human Surrogate Naturally... well UN-Naturally... THIS would be something Truly HORRIFIC

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Oct-24-2017 7:05 AM

Regarding the Role David plays with regards to the Xenomorph Creation, the movie alone does make it ambiguous but tends to lead towards indeed these are Davids Creations... but they could also be Davids Re-Creations.

The only Flaw with them being Davids Re-Creations would be that he would have had to had knowledge of the Xenomorph Experiments the Engineers conducted but had no real Xenomorph Eggs to work on.. Because if he had Xenomorph Eggs then surely if Davids Objective was to Re-create such a Beast then he would not need to do all those experiments, however he maybe could have wanted to experiment with a Engineer Xeno-Egg and also see what the Black Goo can do too.

The Book does seem to indicate David had Re-Created it, and Ridley Scotts comments regarding Alien Covenant Months prior to Release, did seem to sugest the Crew arrive at a Engineer World and they "Come Across a Evolving Life-Form" and "That they (Engineers) had Made"

This qoute however is ambiguous also as it also could read that the THEY who arrive on Engineer World, Created the Evolving Creature.. which surely does not mean the Covenant Crew, and so it could refer to David and Dr Shaw.....  Also it is ambiguous that even if we indeed do take it as relating to the Engineers, its could merely be in regards to a Evolving Creature (Neomorph) that had evolved from the Black Goo that the Engineers had made.

The closer inspection of the Clues left by David, does seem to indicate those Egg are the result of Davids Experiments and Hybridization of Organisms and the Black Goo/Spores.

Ridley Scotts stance and comments since Alien Covenant do appear to also take us down this Path...

So it looks with i would say 80% Certainty the Xenomorph is a result of Davids Creations.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

daliens

Oct-24-2017 8:37 AM

I remember in the novelization David said he took from engineers the desiccated egg now in his lab, that it contained a highly aggressive facehugger and he had to euthanize. He specifically mentioned the egg was the result of thousands of years of engineers experiments and their advanced knowledge.

Unfortunately this was not in the film.

We still have to find out why the difference between the 2 chestbursters, there must be some reason to that.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

Lawrence of Arabia

Oct-24-2017 8:50 AM

daliens

I believe the difference between the chestbursters is simply because of the better effects available today as opposed to back then. I made a post on this but when the creature first bursts from Oram it looks like the Nymph but evolves on-screen to a more adult like form. The next film could rectify this but this is what I believe.

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

daliens

Oct-24-2017 9:12 AM

Lawrence of Arabia

I still have a little hope that David used more black goo or something when he used the xenomorph recipe he stole from the engineers. It is David's highest aspiration to create, even to create the perfect organism, but I believe he learned from the engineers' the ingredients. 

That chestburster he made can be different because it was growing a lot faster, along with the special effects from these days. 

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

ignorantGuy

Oct-24-2017 9:25 AM

Don't worry! It will be never be explained!

BigDave

Oct-24-2017 9:53 AM

Indeed the books does seem to indicate that upon arrival, and after the Bombardment, that David did discover a Engineer created Xenomorph Egg.

But it ambiguously could be this was the result of the Black Goo that Evolved into a Egg, that David then decided to EVOLVE so to speak.

we have to wonder did ADF insert this Engineer Egg as his own idea, or from information on earlier drafts he worked on or with FOX/RS was it at this time established that maybe indeed Planet 4 did have some place where Eggs were Stored?

I am not so sure what lead to ADF including the Engineer Egg, or why it was redacted in the Movie, i can assume maybe by having some complex where the Engineers had Xeno Eggs already, would pose some questions as to the Purpose of this.

Self Sacrifice Rituals to procreate the Xenomorph could have been a answer, but it appears if this was the case, its not the case no longer.

As far as the different Chest Buster and the Greater/Faster Rate of Gestation and Growth, these things seem to look like a EVOLUTION of the Organism a IMPROVEMENT

The Growth/Gestation Rate and Chest Buster in ALIEN does not look like a Evolution but actually a Devolution of the Organism.

Ridley Scott has informed us that we are NOT QUITE there yet as far as the ALIEN Xenomorph, he has propsed the Question that is WHY was the ALIEN Bio-Mechanical

Which to me seems to hint that the more Mechanical Aesthetics have yet to come, but then its how would these affect the Gestation Rate and Growth of the Xenomorphs found on LV-426

I think Ultimately those working on the direction they took as far as the Black Goo and Xenomorph for Alien Covenant, had sadly not had a Great A-Z Plan.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Lawrence of Arabia

Oct-24-2017 9:55 AM

daliens

I do believe the growth rate has something to do with the fact it isn't complete yet and the gestation/growth period determines the strength of the product. Remember how fast it was before the Neomorphs burst out or even the Deacon? David still has some tampering to do as he was disappointed by the Xenomorphs in Covenant. Then again, the gestation/growth varies between hosts and that could be a factor as well. Maybe Awakening will address this.

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

daliens

Oct-24-2017 10:10 AM

Lawrence of Arabia

I do believe the growth rate has something to do with the fact it isn't complete yet and the gestation/growth period determines the strength of the product.

I think you are right again.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

Svanya

Oct-24-2017 11:43 AM

I was pretty sure they are still embryos themselves, just like the human ones that are in stasis. 

Ati

Oct-24-2017 12:29 PM

dk - Great topic!

Lawrence of Arabia - BigDave - daliens - Great comments!

As I see it:

Yes, the novelization mentions that David finds an Alien egg made by (?) the Engineers. One of you mentions here that the movie does not touch this piece of info. I disagree. There's a scene where David touches and 'shows' an egg to Oram before leading him to the death chamber. I believe that this is the egg Foster mentions in the book.

You can see the egg in question here:

Plus there is another egg on the table - a sliced one!!!

I'm sure the eggs in the dark basement chamber were created by David.

As for the facehugger embryos, I do believe that they were taken out of these small eggs. These small alien eggs can be seen on the table as well:

As for the story of the next movie(s), I hope they will use one of the old ideas by Scott: the Engineers are not creators of the eggs found in the Derelict in Alien. They had found them on LV-426 and started to take them to Planet 4 on their ships. That would explain the egg on Planet 4 found by David. One of the Engineer ships couldn't leave LV-426, it is the Derelict.

As for the creators of the original eggs, they are a totally new/unknown species and they are behind everything. In the last chapter they reappear - revenge, clash, war, what you want, etc.

I think this storyline would satisfy every fan.

BigDave

Oct-24-2017 5:33 PM

@Lawrence of Arabia

Indeed its quite a open subject, the Trilobite that came from a infection from a more closer interaction with the Black Goo did grow at a very quick rate, not quite Neomorph Speed, but faster than the Classic Xenomorph from Alien.

The Deacon is a tricky one, it depends really the time frame and if the ending of Prometheus was in Chronological Order, if it was and the Deacon did not Chest Burst until after David and Shaw had left LV-223 (well the time Dr Shaw made that Warning SOS) then the Deacon would have taken about 4 Days to Gestate.

I think the fast growth rate in Alien Covenant was simply a necessary Plot Device considering the time restraints of the Movies running time and number of Plot Elements it wished to cover.

They could have had Oram be found unconscious and taken to the Covenant Ship and then Chest Burst there, thus meaning ONE Organism, but this would have raised a few Questions.. Such as what kind of Protocols are in place especially after they witnessed the Neomorph events.

They logically would have not wanted to take a unconscious Oram on board, with Lope it was different as he was awake and well apart from a Burn on his Face. By removing this and only have Oram as infected and he was taken to the ship, would maybe make the Gestation time a bit more longer... But then the Chest Busting to Adult would have still had to been quick.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Oct-24-2017 5:40 PM

@Ati

some scenes are open to interpretation, they could be as you said but then also David could have created and grown the Eggs and then performed Autopsies etc on the Grown Eggs.  As samples.

Certainly the Embryos could have came from Smaller Eggs.... It would have been interesting to know how these Eggs came to be, but its a bit ambiguous, but it appears its likely these Eggs start to grow until they finally reach that full height of the ones in the Egg Catacomb

I wonder if RS will touch upon any previous Engineer encounters and experiments related to the Xenomorph, as the Mural and Frescos in Prometheus seem to show a previous connection... the one Alien Covenant poster was very interesting and seemed to show us Engineers and various Xenomorph types... but this poster had nothing to do with the Movie.

Maybe such a event of that poster happened in the past? or maybe its a event to happen in the future.. I think we have to accept the Xenomorph will be a Creation of David or at very least a Creation Evolved from Davids Xenomorphs in Alien Covenant (so Engineers can still have a input into Davids Creation).

We however do know the Engineers had came into contact with a related Organism and maybe experimented and created various kinds on LV-223, the Deacon and Neomorph are both very related to the effects of the Black Goo.

We just have to have faith that this time they can do it more justice and maybe cover the reasons why the Black Goo has the ability to create related Organisms.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

joylitt

Oct-24-2017 5:45 PM

They are so cute! I would use them as Christmas decorations, and hang them from the Christmas tree!

joylitt

Oct-24-2017 5:51 PM

Now talking seriously, probably one of them can be incubated in a human's womb. If there is any truth in the promotional material with the aliens growing inside the crew, that is what might happen. The womb can become the egg, and the subject can become a queen, if his dna is intertwined with alien dna.

BigDave

Oct-24-2017 7:17 PM

Indeed Joylitt 

Thats a Good point regarding those organisms growing in the crew in the Promotional Material on one hand it shows they do Promotional Material and Clues that Wrongly send us down the wrong path.  Which leaves some to think the crew was infected with these Organisms.

But these pieces of work are something they can certainly take inspiration from for the next movie.

Some may also read to much into Davids " all he needs now is his Queen" quote, this could be something easily misinterpreted like the "waiting for Mother" In Alien Covenant, which i think basically just meant Davids Creations needed a  Surrogate to Grow his Creations, thus a Human Host would in essence become the Womb for the embryo the Face Huggers implant.

so a Queen does not have to literally and the more shoe-horn/lazy route that a Daniels being infected with one of those Face Huggers Produces a Egg Laying Xenomorph.

There are many ways Davids Queen could come to be, Alien Covenant appeared to give some clues that Dr Shaw was needed in order for David to obtain those Eggs...   which means she was his First Queen so to speak... but this does not mean she laid Alien Eggs..

So indeed it will be interesting to see what happens next... so far we have David and TWO Face Huggers, it appears likely David is off to Origae-6 where he wishes to pursue the creation of many more of his Creations that could Rule the Galaxy... But before this can happen he needs his Queen.

Which means there is a way/plan that David has where perhaps via one of those Face Huggers or maybe some other means... David can obtain multiple Eggs.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ati

Oct-24-2017 7:35 PM

'Alien Covenant appeared to give some clues that Dr Shaw was needed in order for David to obtain those Eggs...   which means she was his First Queen so to speak... but this does not mean she laid Alien Eggs..'

Exactly BigDave !

Some of us were talking about the possibility (here some months ago) that alien eggs were grown in Shaw's body then these eggs were taken out later.

dk

Oct-24-2017 9:06 PM

Ati I remember that discussion. It would be gruesome to see her as a birthing machine depicted as HR Giger imagined. I doubt we will see that unfortunately. It may also conflict with RS' vision vs JC's.

BigDave

Oct-25-2017 6:02 AM

@Ati

Indeed we have to try and logically figure out a base starting point for those Eggs and why Dr Shaw was his greatest Specimen, all we see from Dr Shaw's Corpse is she has had her Chest Cavity removed with some Organs missing... Its likely that she was Face Hugged and David then removed something from her.

The Question would be was this Organism what leads to those Eggs? If so why did David have to get rid of this Organism as its not alive when the Covenant arrives, maybe its one of the Specimens in his Work Shop?

Then also it could be that David needed Dr Shaws Reproductive Organs?

I think a good way to look at this would be to completely Scrap Alien Covenant... imagine it never happened..

Look at being David, with Dr Shaw and the Black Goo and how David maybe never got to see the final results of the experiment he did on Holloway.

We had the Trilobite a kind of Face Hugger, which would have been the result of one of 3 ways.

1) Holloways infected Xeno-Virus Sperm, Fertilizes Shaws Egg Cell

2) Holloway merely passed on tiny nano-Xeno Virus worms that was transmitted to Dr Shaw and one of these infected her Egg Cell.

3) As Per 2)  but instead of infecting a Egg Cell, the Nano Worm just grew inside her Womb.

I always felt looking at the clues that option 2) was the most likely case.

So if you was David you could repeat the Process, by simply infecting Dr Shaws Egg Cells with the Black Goo.

I assume that its Dr Shaws Egg Cells that provided the Foundation of Davids Experiments and Once he had grown a Specimen he then introduced it to its Mother... and thus Dr Shaw gestated a earlier version of Davids Creation.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

ali81

Oct-25-2017 10:19 PM

all depends on if the book is a legitimate way of answering questions not answered in the movie or not. if the novelisation is regarded as complete canon or not. if RS would come out and say 'yes, the novel explains where the eggs came from. david arrived and found an egg' then we could take the novel as a 'fill in the gaps' novel. but its not clear how much of the book is indeed fact especially as some things in the book don't line up 100% with the movie

plus not everyone who has seen the movie will have read the book so theyr still left with unanswered questions. for me, the movie must answer the questions and they need to stop using other mediums to fill in blanks just so those involved can reference it to answer questions they cant actually answer themselves. just more and more things that can harm peoples opinions of AC.

daliens

Oct-25-2017 11:56 PM

ali81 the alien universe is shrouded in mystery and it will remain this way. The ambiguity  of RS left the door open for every possible interpretation. And for endless passionate debates around the movies.

I feel like these movies are made for the fans primarily rather than for the general audience and easy money.

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