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the legends get older....

the legends get older....

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Oct-16-2017 1:25 AM

A couple months back i did a thread on the fading relevance of the science fiction genre.Since then we've seen a couple more high profile sci fi releases fail at the box with War for the Planet of the Apes and Blade Runner 2049 despite amazing reviews from fans and critics alike.They join Alien Covenant,Star Trek Beyond,Terminator Genisys,Tron Legacy,Mad Max Fury Road,all of which failed to make much of an impact at the box office,and in some cases critics.There's a misunderstanding from Hollywood in my opinion,pushing hard for nostalgia works in some case like Star War and Jurassic park,but those franchises have multiple  generational appeal.Alien,Planet of the Apes,Blade Runner etc. Don't seem to though.These films are getting older,audiences aren't.There seems to be a misunderstanding on Hollywood's behalf on what audiences really want.Why would audience's want to see an apocalyptic war film with Apes when they can see Spider-Man?Or the origin of the xenomorph when Guardians of the Galaxy offers a much friendlier vision of space?Or Blade Runner's dystopian future when they have The Kingsman and IT?Studios have been going out of their way to spend millions on the latest entries in our old favorite franchises,then whine when they underperform at the box office?What were they expecting?These films were never going to deliver the same bucks that super hero films do,and it shows no real signs of stopping.Alien,Terminator,Planet of the Apes all still have plans for the future.Of course we also have next year's The Predator,don't think any of us will be suprised if the film fails at the box office.Is it time for Hollywood to let go of the nostalgia shtick and let our favorite franchises get the rest they deserve?Obviously Things like Alien,Terminator,Planet of the Apes,Star Trek,Mad Max,and Blade Runner don't mean to modern audiences what they meant to us growing up and still mean to us no matter how much Hollywood tries.You can try and juice up Star Trek for the kids but it's still Star Trek,same goes for Apes and Terminator.Do we thank/blame Star Wars for Hollywood's assumption that you can make any old sci fi franchise relevant again?Or use Hollywood just out of ideas,trying to scrape as much money from any thing that ever meant something?What say you?

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7 Responses to the legends get older....


Oct-16-2017 6:00 AM

I think Hollywood lost steam long ago- back in the 90s they were going for the nostalgia dollar with Little Rascals, Flinstones etc...

I could agree that it is milking the Alien, POTA, Terminator etc teets dry and would be fine if they let those movies die with some dignity.


Oct-16-2017 8:51 AM

Well, it's a tough issue. On one hand, there is literally always demand for more from a franchise. No matter how many complaints, or, "Where's the oroginiality in Hollywood?"'s you hear, there is plenty of demand. People want to see more from their favorite film or franchise.

Now as it's been said before, people don't necessarily want that. They see something that they enjoy and think is really good and they want to see another thing they enjoy and think is really good. Still, the money is usually in known commodities, so the Hollywood machine relies on that. I mean, there is probably plenty of original film/ideas (or, at least, new spins on stuff) that Hollywood releases. Not too many people really pay attention to them though. 

So, yes, it is annoying that the studios insist on beating our favorite franchises into the ground. ONLY because the results aren't A+ amazing everytime. Turth be told, I love franchises and trying to continue storyines or going for offshoots, but the money-making climate and just how Hollywood works, usually prevents a lot of risks from being taken. There isn't too much room for new ground. 

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Oct-16-2017 10:07 AM

Well good riddance to them all. I did not like either of the latest installments of those movies. Almost all are filled with cliches and self references. They don't tell new stories, new adventures or any new insight.

In the last 5 years, the only big budget Sci-fi I liked were Prometheus (because I thought it will be a new story in the Alien franchise, daring enough to bring the atmosphere in the foreground, not the galactic "dickhead") and the Martian.

But today I think the Expanse, Black Mirror or even Electric Dream's are infinitely better than any franchise story. No toys, no t-shirt nor merch but stories.


Oct-16-2017 11:21 AM

I do not agree Mad Max Fury Road was a disappointment. And War For the Planet of The Apes is part of a very successful trilogy. It is only the last installment that faltered a little bit because of its grim tone and also because some people said the advertising for the movie was misleading. On the other had, the last Spiderman was expected to do better business. Box office expectations for The Predator should be kept at bay because that was never a huge franchise; however, it might turn out to be profitable. In the end, it all comes down to the budget/box office ratio.

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Oct-16-2017 1:38 PM

All of the blockbuster super hero films including GotG, Avengers, Transformers, Justice League etc they are all pure entertainment films with no substance beyond their big budget fx and all-star ensemble casts. They get bums on seats at the cinema but you walk out after the film feeling wholly unsatisfied. They don't make you think, challenge your views, or change your perspective of things...just entertain.

Ill have the old classic's any day...



Oct-16-2017 2:45 PM

@Joylitt I'm not saying War for the Planet of the Apes and Fury Road are disappointing in terms of quality because they are great movies (actually haven't seen Apes yet to be honest but i have been reassured that it's great)but they certainly weren't box office gold.Apes only made about half of what it's predecessor made and is regarded as a box office disappointment.Mad Max may have won over critics but not audiences,a sequel is talked about often but Hollywood doesn't seem interested in actually pursuing it,had the film performed better a sequel would have been fast tracked in my opinion.

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Oct-17-2017 5:43 AM

I think it depends on how they are handled...

The Planet of the Apes i think has been done very well and they are a COMPLETE Reboot of the Classic Movies...  And they have done very well considering the last Attempt at a Reboot in 2001 was not so Successful that they decided to Reboot it again..

some Reboots however do not go as planned, Robocop, Total Recall for example and TMNT to some Degree.

So with the Terminator, Alien, Predator etc Franchises the Question is would any Total REBOOTS work?

I think the Spiderman Movies will be a interesting one.. i wonder how many Spiderman Sequels they can pull off and if this 3rd Reboot Attempt managers to do better than the previous.. or will start to loose interest like the others...

Maybe as this one is Tagged onto the AVENGERS Franchise, it may be seen as more a Legitimate Spiderman Franchise? or would it?

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