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In light of Ridleys comments about the return of the Engineers

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EWATYAMORPH

Jun-21-2017 11:33 PM

In light of Ridleys comments.

"There will be three or four different players coming in to investigate. One of which will be the Engineers arriving back to find their planet decimated. I think those ships come and go on regular intervals. I see them as the gardeners of space. Where we go next is obvious. We’re gonna actually go to the planet."

Quite pleased to say I called this and saw it as the best way to go to please those of us who love the Engineers and felt there was much more to be explored with them.

I theorised that this peaceful paradise like planet in Covenant was the dwelling place for a set of original Engineers who lived in peace making wheat based foods and worshipping the Elders etc., like template Engineers so to speak, that were returned to now and again where one lucky soul was chosen as the sacrifice to seed worlds, like we see in the Prometheus opening scene and the extended version of said scene.
I may or may not be right but this comment helps back that up.

"I think those ships come and go on regular intervals. I see them as the gardeners of space."

Obviously the Engineers will return. It simply had to happen really. I theorised that they would return, and also be major pissed!. Two thousand(ish) years ago they had a mind to wipe us humans out. Now they find that their peaceful paradise like planet has been decimated. If they manage to investigate deep enough and find exactly how it went down, which they will, they will find it was David.

And the deeper they delve they will find that David and synthetics like him were created by humans. This I think will show humans on Earth as a million more times dangerous than they ever were and a threat to the whole universe if they are now playing god creating androids that can then go on to play god themselves and wipe out races with ALIEN killer creations from the Engineers own blueprints!.

I think the Engineers will hunt David and wish to stop and kill him. Cue well directed warfare between Engineers and Xenos. Final battles with David, a new group of humans caught up in the slaughter, a possible new player???.

At some stage, even perhaps after sympathising with a human or two to show their softer side on camera maybe, the Engineers will still resolve to wipe Earth clean as humans have definitely overreached and became far too dangerous to the universe, and themselves. They will decide to use the Xeno Egg Cargo hold (in the derelict) in a bid to finally completely wipe out humans on planet Earth, and do the clean up job after of killing the Xenos on Earth.

Obviously, that does not go well and the Space Jockey finds himself with serious chest pains and puts down on LV-426, taking us right into the original ALIEN.

This can happen over two movies possibly, if FOX gives the green light, but if they have only given RS one more shot, I think this could all be shown in one absolutely immense franchise saver of a movie.

This may not please everybody but hey, that's impossible. I think it would go a long way to winning back some disillusioned fans though.

Of course, it may not happen like this but I do not think that if RS is having angry revenge seeking Engineers return, then he will have them let humans and Earth off the hook. That seems silly to me.

27 Responses to In light of Ridleys comments about the return of the Engineers

Nathan Adler

Jun-22-2017 12:12 AM

If the Engineers arrive at Paradise and are pissed at what has transpired by David's hand and determine us a threat for being dangerous by creating a being capable of wiping out races with 'Alien killer creations' isn’t that a bit rich when LV-223 was an installation they had established for creating a material capable of doing the same? And we weren't creating threats to their other creations 2,000 years ago when we were likewise determined as deserving of 'bacteriological drums of shit' so it seems we would be determined as life unworthy of life no matter what we did.  To Engineers humanity is equivalent to the disabled for the Nazis – for some unknown reason they consider us 'useless eaters'.

EWATYAMORPH

Jun-22-2017 12:22 AM

Nathan Adler

Of course it's a bit rich but its becoming very clear the Engineers view themselves as above humans in every way and are not content to share the universe with us if we get even the slightest bit out of hand. 

In current timeline in the movies, I think the Engineers will view humans as not just slightly out of hand, but a full blown threat at becoming more powerful and dangerous than the Engineers now that Weyland decided to play god and his creation also decided to play god. Look at the chaos this spawned.

None of this takes away from my point though, in the next movie/s I think RS has to show the Engineers wanting to finally wipe us out for good, which I think he will. It seems silly that any returning Engineers would give humans a pass in light of recent events.

Nathan Adler

Jun-22-2017 1:38 AM

@EWATYAMORPH: Ridley has recently revealed that the Engineers were not responsible for the creation of humanity, so it further questions their right to consider that we need to be weeded out.  That is, if they didn't create us at what point did they put themselves at the top of the galactic hierarchy?  Is it just that they don't want competition?

EWATYAMORPH

Jun-22-2017 2:01 AM

Nathan Adler

Yup you are right, it does question their right to assume they are responsible for cleansing Earth of our presence, but they certainly feel they are qualified to make that call and as you say it could well be a competition type thing, but in light of more recent events, it is now more of a survival thing is it not?

Look at what happened to one of their worlds on Covenant, they will trace that all the way back to humans responsibility and view us more now than ever from the angle of "they gotta go", don't you think?. 

It will be interesting to see if RS inserts higher beings than the Engineers, and what their view is on the Engineers wishing to wipe out humans, and indeed what their personal view on humans and their synthetic creations is. 

Interesting potential in the next movie/s.

Nathan Adler

Jun-22-2017 2:12 AM

@EWATYAMORPH: I'm still convinced the Engineers are intended to be equivalent to the Biblical Watchers/Sons of God and they're determined to wipe us out because of jealousy.

EWATYAMORPH

Jun-22-2017 2:50 AM

Nathan Adler

In the Novelisation David touches on the Engineers thoughts on this matter here a bit, I don't have it with me at work to quote but if you haven't read it and don't mind hearing some content from it I'll insert his thoughts into this discussion later when I have the book. 

It seems there may be a feeling of definite competition between the Engineers and other species of matching DNA such as us humans. The Engineers I believe will suffer no contenders to the top spot and will actively look to wipe out whole planets of species should they fall out of line or rise above their station.

Again, I would be very curious to find out anything on a higher species of beings than the Engineers and what their thoughts on all this madness is.

Is their one true higher creator and humans and Engineers are just two different groups of beings albeit with the same DNA?, and the Engineers wish to be viewed as the top dogs of this pile.  

Nathan Adler

Jun-22-2017 2:59 AM

@EWATYAMORPH: Well that's interesting since the Watchers/Sons of God left their first estate (Heaven) and set themselves up to have dominion over the world of matter which I guess if you inserted this in the Alien mythos, that would be our universe. So the inhabitants of the first estate would be outside of our universe, and perhaps what they look like can be found in the art/ conceptual design of HR Giger!?  Thoughts?

EWATYAMORPH

Jun-22-2017 4:04 AM

Nathan Adler

I am only very very briefly acquainted with the sons of god/watchers etc through snippets I've read, and IIRC they are referred to as angels sometimes are they not?, but just so we are on the same page do you think RS has created the Engineers with these watchers in mind?.

Did you also know the term Malakak in some ALIEN stories refers to the Engineers and in some writings of these sons of god/watchers there are similar words to malakak mentioned in reference to them. (Various different spellings etc like malakha).

Maybe RS did have this in mind when he created the Engineers.

So they are a higher species than us, much older and from somewhere else but seeked dominion over our universe and also us. Is this the line of thought you are on. 

 

Epaphroditus

Jun-22-2017 4:29 AM

There has been no evidence presented that engineers created humans only that we share dna, I took the opening scene of Prometheus being that the engineers infected an already existing planet with the black goo with an already existing lifeform that became human... We were never supposed to evolve or survive .

 

EWATYAMORPH

Jun-22-2017 4:37 AM

Epaphroditus

We haven't stated here that the Engineers created humans, only that they view humans as below the despite the matching DNA.

And if the Engineers sacrifice at the beginning of Prometheus was what created humans "by mistake" and that planet is actually Earth, then why not wipe us out earlier if we were a mistake and were "never supposed to evolve or survive". They could have wipe humans out a lot earlier and just tried again rather than watch us become out of control murderous barbarians that nailed Jesus to the cross and other crazy stuff over thousands of years.

And isn't it true that the Sacrificial Engineer is purposely seeding that planet, and it has never been confirmed it is Earth.

Blackwinter-witch

Jun-22-2017 4:57 AM

Hmm, well this ALL depends on how badly the FOX execs as well as Hill and Giler kibbitz and bugger things. It also depends on who FOX hired to write the scripts, and frankly I shudder to think that Lindelloff is involved.


I trust R. Scott.

I do NOT trust FOX, Hill or Giler.

Damon Lindelloff is an amateurish hack who had to resort to ripping off DALLAS to end LOST, that alone says all that needs be said, and what he thinks regarding any particular fanbase.

*Man's giant leap was just a stumble in the dark.*

EWATYAMORPH

Jun-22-2017 5:06 AM

See, there are some who trust RS! The franchise is not done yet. The next one should do better with Engineers involvement, provided RS has another shot at it and this is the direction we are heading. 

Kethol

Jun-22-2017 5:50 AM

Hill and Giler have no involvement in the Alien franchise, other than getting a paycheck. Lindeloff has his own projects going and is not involved in the next one.

Andrew1975

Jun-22-2017 6:08 AM

I think it is time to discuss the relevance of the engineers to the Alien franchise in more general terms. I would like to start the discussion by reflecting on the following two points.

(1)

The pictograms shown by Holloway during the briefing in "Prometheus" originate exclusively from prehistoric and ancient cultures (Ancient Egypt, Ancient Mesopotamia, Ancient America and so on). There are no examples from more recent epochs like the Middle Ages or modern times. This implies that the engineers stopped visiting earth centuries ago, maybe even millennia ago. At the present moment we can only speculate about the reason why they stopped visiting mankind. For reasons that are still unknown the engineers wanted to wipe out mankind at the beginning of the Christian Era. But after the outbreak on LV 223 no further attempt to execute this plan seems to have been undertaken. Yet this mission must have had a very high priority as becomes clear when the engineer awakened in "Prometheus" immediately readies his spacecraft for the flight to earth. Humanity's entry into the age of space travel seems not to have been noticed by the engineers. So we have to ask ourselves: Where are the engineers when mankind starts to advance into deep space in the course of the 21st century?

(2)

This question leads to the second point that troubles me. I don't see the point of introducing the engineers to the Alien franchise. They are completely irrelevant to the stories told in "Alien", "Aliens", "Alien 3" and "Alien Resurrection". At the time of "Alien" (2122) and "Aliens" (2179) mankind has no knowledge of the engineers. There have been no encounters that became publicly or commonly known. In 2122 some people at Weyland-Yutani only know that there is "something" on LV 426. The crew of the Nostromo clearly have never before seen traces or heard about traces of a space-faring extraterrestrial species (and it is rather puzzling that they don't discuss their extraordinary discovery, focusing instead exclusively on Kane's condition). Ripley's report at the beginning of "Aliens" is met with incredulity. When Ripley mentions a "derelict spacecraft" nobody is astonished and bothers to ask questions. The members of the commission seem to think that Ripley is talking nonsense. One member says that there are "over 300 surveyed worlds". So by the end of the 2170s several hundred planets have been explored and partly settled. But nowhere humans seem to have encountered engineers, living or dead. This can only mean: By the time of "Aliens", maybe even already by the time of "Alien", engineers are either (completely) extinct or they are living in parts of the galaxy that are so far away that humans cannot reach them.

Regarding a reappearance of the engineers in a possible sequel to "Alien Covenant", the scriptwriters must take into account that by 2122 engineers are not commonly known to humans. The encounter between humans and engineers in the sequel must therefore end in such a way that the existence of the engineers doesn't become common knowledge among humans. The encounter must end with the demise of both sides. If the humans survive, they would surely report about the engineers to earth. If the engineers survive, they would surely want to find out more about mankind.

What do you think about all this?

Blackwinter-witch

Jun-22-2017 6:43 AM

Kethol

Hill and Giler are infamous for kibbitzing and messing about, they dislike something RS is doing they run whining to the FOX execs, who for some reason I cannot fathom actually pay attention to them.

*Man's giant leap was just a stumble in the dark.*

EWATYAMORPH

Jun-22-2017 7:19 AM

Andrew1975

Believe me I have pondered exactly the type of things you are touching on in you're post. RS probably just hadn't really fleshed out any back story to the Engineers or had any solid prequel plans when he made ALIEN so there is no mention of them as Engineers so yes it looks like he will have to make an end to the movie that connects to ALIEN that sees the Engineers completely disappear to more far out reaches of the galaxy or something along that lines, well, apart from the lone Space jockey pilot, if he/it does indeed turn out to be an Engineer, which I'm quite sure he will as I don't think the idea that the SJ is David, or a human, works very well.

As always with RS, we will just have to accept what he gives us on screen but the best explanation I can come up with is that he simply did not have all this Prometheus/Engineers type stuff fleshed out at time of ALIEN so never felt the need for characters to mention the Engineers.

Maybe not the answer you were looking for mate but it may just be one of those things...

Cerulean Blue

Jun-22-2017 8:59 AM

@EWATYAMORPH - We may also assume Weyland-Yutani had kept any knowledge of Engineers highly classified for a long time?

SuperAlien

Jun-22-2017 11:06 AM

Weyland-Yutani wanted to capture the xenomorph at any costs, so they might have known about it.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

BigDave

Jun-22-2017 6:17 PM

This is a nice thread that i can indeed put a lot of Cents into and more than just TWO.

First at the OT and indeed EWATYAMORPH you are not alone in your interpretation of Paradise, its a point i had wondered even prior to a sequel being made... and certainly when AC was announced and Set Photos came out and then right to seeing AC i was drawn to the same.

I have covered in a number of Topics over the last few months, but yes this Place seems like the Cradle of Humanoid civilization or at least was a attempt to Re-create a Humanoid Civilization.

I can go into great detail but i have done to many times and i am a bit tired so i would be adding more, but in a nutshell, such a theory as this Place (Paradise) is where the Hierarchy collect Sacrifices from to use to Seed Worlds is a theory that i do hold very possible..  It fits with Paradise as far as the Biblical One, it fits with how these beings on Paradise have no real Technology apart from One Scorpion Ship Watching over this City and a Hanger..

The Hanger is important and as i had mentioned a while ago and few times well a lot lol since... the Hanger has Statues that are like the Buddha Offering Statues.

And so yes, i too thought this fitted with this Place (Paradise) was the place they chosen their Sacrifices from.

A big Problem is WHY?  and so why create life... why seed Worlds when these beings could Procreate? Well they have Females... so why not?

Well Spaights had said regarding the Engineers that they could Procreate at one point but they had evolved themselves past the need for this and lost this ability and so in order to Create Life / Pass on their Genetics.. they had to come up with Alternative methods... Hence Sacrificial Scene.

But we see Females in AC, but these beings also are similar height to Humans for the most part and they also do not look like the Engineers... some do.. most do-not... they look like a Hybrid Race or a Missing Link that connects Engineers to Mankind.

RS confirmed they are Engineers, but then he said the Engineers are not a RACE but a Civilization... which can only mean a Culture of Humanoid Races... he also mentioned regarding the Engineers how there are many different versions of Humans and so why cant they be different versions of them...

Still makes no Sense to Sacrifice if they have Females.. unless its because they just Do/Can... RS had said regarding the Sacrificial Scene that its not the only way they create Life but its the way they Choose to do so.

Maybe thats right... but the deleted Elders Scene did have some Dialog and only One Line has even been released.

"Let your body become the dirt! Your blood become the waters. May your soul become their way back to us"

so there was a very Good Reason for the Sacrificial Scene.

Now as RS said that Scene does not have to be Earth, it could any other place and so this has happened on Many worlds..  But maybe we can assume Originally it happened on Paradise?

If the Engineers Evolved themselves so they lost Females.. this would explain the interest in Dr Shaw... and indeed fits with the Das Reingold Opera...   The Engineers may have lost Females..

So the Sacrificial Scene is a attempt to bring back Females as the other method was maybe clone themselves but they just get a copy of copy etc....

The Engineers had then managed to create Females by this method and brought some back to Paradise to Breed with Genesis 6:4

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them"

so then we have Hybrids, Humanoid + Engineer which then we would get if a Humanoid/Engineer Female mated with a Engineer we would then get a 2/3rd Humanoid and a 3rd Engineer Hybrid... if instead these Hybrids breed with Each Other then they would become closer to Human...

So i think various interbreeding then happened and this explains the different looking Folk on Paradise.. who are not a Single Race but a Civilization.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Jun-22-2017 6:26 PM

@Nathan Adler

Indeed its something to consider as far as the Engineers did not create Mankind.... it then raises a lot of Questions as to what the Sacrificial Scene means...  this could lead to Humanoid like Race which then Proves to be a Earlier Generation of Mankind and so Humans come from a Hybrid Race created by the Engineers... this fits with what a Source told me that Prometheus 2 was touching on.

But i think that whole quote is a misquote as i put in another Topic when we look at the over all context of what AC shows.. then i think the MADE is meant to be KILL

RS had said prior to AC well after he announced it...  but prior to Shooting (November 2015) That if the Engineers are the Forerunners to Mankind, then we have to ask what created Worlds to be Habitable to be able to support life... Where is the Big Guy (GOD)

But as this qoute is what RS had said, maybe he mixed his words up or not... it can be used to open up debates.

And disusing the whole Engineer Culture/History and Purpose is something i have studied and covered in Depth over 5 years and also the Black Goo too..

so i have a lot to add to this Topic and it will be a welcome to read other peoples interpretations even though some are different i think many of us are in and around the same Ball-Park ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

SuperAlien

Jun-22-2017 9:05 PM

@ BigDave Why did they use a discoidal ship in the sacrificial engineer scene? Is it possible that those engineers belong to a different civilization? Where they the gods/good engineers and the ones from LV_223 the fallen angels? Was there a rebellion on LV_223 and the bad engineers took control of the black goo ampoules. Even the engineers who were running in the hologram seemed different than the one found alive, I mean the severed head they found looked more like the sacrificial engineers to me. I wonder which ships will be used by engineers when they'll return to Paradise.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

EWATYAMORPH

Jun-22-2017 10:58 PM

Cerulean Blue

Daliens

Yes we would certainly be able to swallow Weyland-Yutani knowing of the Engineers and just staying silent about it, as in not briefing Ripley or anybody aboard the Nostromo, or any of the other characters in the movies afterward, hence no mention of them in the older batch of movies. 

Although really RS maybe just did not have them fleshed out fully and had no solid prequel plans at the time he made ALIEN so any mention of them as Engineers, and any mention of their doings is absent.

We could certainly swallow the whole  classified/top secret thing though if that was the case. 

EWATYAMORPH

Jun-22-2017 11:54 PM

Big Dave

Welcome and thanks for the thread compliment. I see you have moved away from you're view that possibly RS was sloppy with his CGI/effects/make up on how he made the Engineers on Covenant look. After reading the Novelisation I got the vibe that these possibly were indeed the type of Engineers we see in the opening Prometheus scene (the Sacrificial),or the 223 looking type but obviously without the armour suit and maybe you were right on that, but I'll leave that for now and focus on you're post.

Yes, if we apply the translation of the Prometheus extended opening scene, and then view that world as what will become the world we see in Covenant then we could possibly view it as the Engineers somehow through evolution and/or genetic tampering lost their females, and wished to gain them back. So they managed that and then this became a sort of paradise like place for a peaceful civilisation of male and female Engineers to dwell.

Thing im curious about is that David calls the Inhabitants Of The world on Covenant the "original Engineers". He clearly states that in the Novelisation so I thought that world was possibly unbelievably ancient, possibly one of the first, if not the first but they never advanced their technology there tooooo far, but kept it sort of more... primitive like (but not too primitive as the Novelisation refers to it as a metropolis and it seems much bigger than how the movie portrayed it). Still though, like a pure paradise sort of place where they can always come back to and bestow upon an individual soul a great honour of sacrificing themselves to begin the circle of life on a new world elsewhere. RS does say that he sees the Engineers as the gardeners of space and the ships come and go so that seems to me this place is where the "seeders" or sacrifices are taken from, like sort of the original template or something??.

Maybe you are right though and there was once an older world before that, and they lost their females somehow and after that they were always trying to bring them back and managed this on the Covenant world. 

Thing is though I can't totally discount the comment RS made that they could create life the good old primitive way, but they simply chose to do it the genetic breakdown way.

There could be many reasons for this. Maybe they tried the colonist ship full of hundreds/thousands way once but had an accident that killed the colonists and therefore seeked for a safer way, and in time they came across/created the liquid substance and therefore then favoured that more advanced way instead of the old primitive way of flying hundreds/thousands of there kind to a new world and simply let them breed and spread like rabbits. 

Maybe they came to look upon the genetic breakdown way as a more pure way, worthy of bestowing upon a favoured individual from their peaceful paradise planet?. Like a reward or gift, that the individual was happy to receive, viewing it as a great honour to be the spark that creates new life on a new world. 

And it's not like they never had time on their hands, they seem to be arrogant enough to just go about their business being the gardeners of Space and flit around the universe returning to see how they're various gardens are growing even if it takes hundreds or thousands of years after the original seeding. They are very busy in the far reaches of various galaxies doing this I presume?. 

 

 

EWATYAMORPH

Jun-23-2017 12:20 AM

Big Dave

Maybe both ways are correct. There is an older world/s than the paradise planet, and they (the Engineers) somehow through evolution or genetic tampering lost their females and wished to bring them back.

They managed this on the Covenant planet so therefore saw this as a sacred dwelling to keep hidden and protected, that they could return to and take sacrifices from to seed further new worlds throughout the universe.

This sacred place then became the most favoured place to pluck there sacrifices from and they returned there over the years to take their individual seeder from that civilisation.

This vibes well with Ridleys comment that the ships returned there from time to time and the Engineers are the gardeners of space.

In this scenario there is obviously another older place where they originally hail from, which conflicts with Davids "original Engineers" comment from the Novel. Maybe he just meant that the peaceful Engineers in the robes etc seemed more original to him than the more advanced seeming military type who ripped his head off?.

BigDave

Jun-23-2017 6:58 AM

"like sort of the original template or something??."

I think maybe yes...  There are a lot of contradicting comments and clues regarding everything Engineer related. So its a case of trying to figure out which fits best... I have not read the Novel Yet... so the Original Engineers is a interesting comment.

I had information passed at the end of Feb 2015 regarding the Plans for Prometheus 2 that was based of the Paglen/Green Draft as of October 2014, this person had passed on a lot of information regarding the Engineers which i again can pass on here... but its hard to say if this is 100% correct because AC is a different movie to P2 as the movie was re-written quite a lot during the summer of 2015 by Logan and Harper.  But the Sources comments to give some light on the Engineers.  I will post this another time.

So we have to figure out how the Engineers are connected, and indeed we may have to consider the appearance of the Engineers in Covenant a Oversight... they had appeared on screen up close for a few seconds and so in Hindsight maybe RS felt that better Make Up and Black Out Contact Lenses was not needed.

Or maybe there is a reason they looked different?  Surely RS did not learn from how his Prometheus Engineers who had gone from 15ft to 12ft then to 9-10ft at the time Prometheus was ready to shoot... and how they only appeared to be 7.5-8ft tops due to not using LOTR kind of Trickery and Effects.

But in AC we can clearly see a lot of these Dead Bodys are Human Size.... maybe Oversight and Budget Reasons or maybe there is a reason they are Human size.

RS comments about the Engineers not being a Race, but a Civilization and then suggesting how there are many variants of Mankind and so why cant there be many versions of Engineers, could well be a Key set of Clues to determine that there are different kinds of Engineers.

Its clear the Engineers are referred to as Gardeners of Space and they seem to be obsessed with Genetic Engineering, and indeed they have seeded Many Worlds. So these Engineers could have many different versions/generations.

The Source i had did mention that Mankind as of now is like 4th/5th Generation and that Engineers are connected to our Genetic Evolution and not Apes.

A interesting thing they mention about the LV-223 Engineers, was that they have a lot more in Common with David, which does not mean they are Robots...  but it certainly could mean they are not Born as Humans are... but they are Engineered and Engineered to perform a Purpose/Serve the other Engineer beings and Hierarchy.   so maybe the LV-223 Engineers are like Genetically Created Super Soldiers etc.

However they do look like the Sacrificial Engineers, the Sacrificial Scene in Prometheus did not have to be Earth, but its a hint that something like this had maybe happened on Earth.  This is also something they had done on many Worlds.

RS had mentioned that the Engineers came back over thousands of years to Evolve Mankind both Genetically but also Technologically (Taught us stuff) and so this means its not a case of Seed Worlds and leave it to Evolve... and then by a off chance Mankind appear who look very like the Engineers in a way but are different to other life on Earth apart from Primates... (i addressed this in my Prometheus 2 draft).

I also think that Seeding a World, and coming back to further Evolve the Life on a Planet is a very long winded way to go around things, than drop off some Engineers to start a Colony.. if Engineers can Procreate then surely dropping off a few hundred will indeed over Hundreds of Thousands of years lead to a Decent sized Civilization.  Even a smaller initial colony of Engineers could lead to a Larger one over thousands of years.. this depends on how many times a Female can bare Children and how long between a Birth can they then reproduce again.

But if they could no Procreate... and only Cloning is the way they can Genetically Produce, this would give a better reason for the Seeding Method.  

I think surely there has to be a reason for this route..

But back to what you put indeed, totally on the same page with this... if the Engineers are in pursuit of Perfection then you would want to keep a set of Prime Genetic Stock to use for Seeding....  or even Cloning... if we was to Create a Super Solider/Human  who had a IQ of 150+ stood say 6ft5" and 250 lbs in pristine Physical Condition, Fast, Strong and Agile.

If we call this Person ADAM and then we Clone him to create a Army... it would be better to Clone from ADAM we can assume that Cloning from ADAM to create a 2nd Generation Adam, then Clone 2nd Generation of Adam, to make a 3rd and continue over and over... will eventually not make as Perfect Clones as using the Original ADAM DNA

So i would assume... and so indeed keeping a Good Original Genetic Stock is important.  And so maybe the Engineers we see in Prometheus are Genetically Engineered for a Purpose and then they use these Genetically Engineered Engineers for seeding of Worlds...

A Purpose some of these Rebelled against... just as in the Annunaki Tale... thus Engineers are Igigi.. where i assumed Elders are the Annunaki... but maybe those beings on Paradise are the Annunaki.

If you are created a Genetically Superior Race in your image who are Physically Superior so that you can use their DNA to Seed Worlds instead of your own kind... then you would surely want to make sure these Genetically created beings Can-not Procreate... because if you lose control over them and they can Procreate and make a better New Race than your own.. this could be a Dreadful down-fall.

I ponder was Mankind created to replace those Genetically Engineered LV-223 Engineers, as per Annunaki Tale....

Certainly if those beings on Paradise are the Original Engineers... the whole Annunaki Tale is a Large Basis for my Engineer theory and how i was to tackle their Agenda/History.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Kethol

Jun-23-2017 7:53 AM

If you look  at all the recent comments from Scott about the next movie, it gives a better picture of what is being written than just the comments about the four different players from that China press junket video.

"It starts off with a very grand idea—or a grand question, really. Who are they and why did they create such evil biology and bacteriology? And [in creating], to protect themselves from what? So the questions are…BEGINNING TO BE ANSWERED in Prometheus 2 (Covenant)".

"…Covenant gets us a step closer to who and why was this thing designed to make human beings. And if you think it’s them,” Scott said, gesturing to the monolithic figures of the Engineers surrounding us (hall of heads), “YOU'RE DEAD WRONG.”

".. fairly integral where this COLONIZATION SHIP IS ON THE WAY…" (in reference to the next film after Covenant)

"I always thought the journey would be very much embedded, at least 50% in RELIGION. Security blanket. YOU CAN GO THERE NEXT. When I get there, I'm looking at the COLONIES and what happens, and how it disintegrates…it's being written now, the sequel to Covenant"

"...we can bring it back to talk about the creation, inevitably about GOD…"

"Whether we bring Daniels back or not in the next one…she has to come back..I'm not sure that's the right thing"

"There will be three or four different players coming in to investigate, one of which will be the Engineers arriving back to find their planet decimated…Those ships (Juggernauts) come and go on regular intervals. I see them as the gardeners of space…where we go next is obvious. Were gonna actually go to the PLANET…"

"…The alien franchise should be into WAR OF THE WORLDS by now. That's where I'm going…they (Fox) don't know it yet, but that's what were doing, Fox."

And then there is this one. When he says 'three acts' he is not talking about a three-act movie, he is talking about a story arc across three movies.

 "...we've already got the three act plan on where it's going to go and where it's going to connect, but it's evolving and getting bigger all the time. I don't know where it will end!"

EWATYAMORPH

Jun-23-2017 7:53 AM

Big Dave

Cheers for the reply and further insight, I switch off from forums for most of the weekend so will be silent for a bit.

I'll pop back on soon enough and read through you're post again and contribute further. 

Have a good weekend folks.

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