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David or Walter in the end?

Timo M

May-24-2017 12:44 AM

The ending of the film has a twist, but I think it is more complicated than it may first appear. David has no time to damage his body to match Walter and has too much of Walter's knowledge. In one of the promo videos, the "birth" of David is shown and a CPU is embedded into his body. I think that David put his CPU into the body of Walter, due to his superior body design (healing). The death of Shaw was disappointing, much like the death of Newt in the original movies - shown only in flashbacks.

32 Responses to David or Walter in the end?

Lone

May-24-2017 9:46 AM

Welcome to the Forum Timo M

Agreed. I think the twist is some type of double bluff.

This Walter model may be a Peter Weyland updated, altered version of David!

I haven't figured out yet, how it has been done, but there could well have been some form of data transfer or Walter has had embedded David protocols/encoding enabled! David in Walter's body?

Remember Walter's activation viral when he said "We are Walter". That could have a double meaning- "We are David"

Walter and David are merged, more like symbiotic twins than brothers!

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Gralen

May-24-2017 9:51 AM

That android is David in one form or another.

You see Daniels yelling his name before passing out in the cryo pod.

AdamPD

May-24-2017 9:54 AM

I can't imagine David would continue to operate if his CPU Was removed, it'd be like trying to do a cpu upgrade on a computer while it's still on, it'd shut off as soon as you remove the cpu.

 

I suppose it's possible they have a redundancy installed, but wouldn't his scars on his face have healed if he had switched bodies?

Jonesy

May-24-2017 10:02 AM

I tend to believe it's really David, as in the end he requests the Valhalla classical piece and he does look confused when Daniels asks him about the cabin house in the end.  

AdamPD

May-24-2017 12:48 PM

Yea that music choice is just another giveaway as to his true ID

It was the same music he played on the piano at the beginning.

Davefried81

May-24-2017 1:23 PM

Not really showing Walter at the end and only David allows a hell of a story for Walter. I am thinking Dark Horse will write some cool stuff about Walter on the planet.  Who knows, Walter may come in contact with more living sources.  It is a planet that they are on and not just an island.  There must be some other living creatures on the planet.

Walter

Jul-20-2017 1:44 AM

Can you give a link to this video?I cant find it

ephewe

Aug-09-2017 1:26 PM

It was David. I had the, "was it really David or did Walter turn evil, etc." thought too. The thing is, we were already explicitly shown that Walter could heal almost instantly and David could not. The fact that "Walter" even needed the staples in his face at the end proves it was not really Walter. I guess the crew not noticing this is just another instance of them being suicidally negligent. So yeah. Walter is dead. David cut his hand off and took Walter's place. However improbable the editing makes it seem (time-wise), this is the only possibility. They also made a point of "Walter" not knowing about the "cabin on the lake".

I hope David at least took Walter's hand with him, so that he can operate a computer terminal and jack-off at the same time. Two right hands is better than one right hand.

Ingeniero

Aug-09-2017 2:26 PM

That's a good point Jonesy.

David 8 (above) looking at Daniels was unaware of the conversation Daniels and Walter had regarding building the cabin on the lake to fulfill a promise in between Branson and Daniels.

That would tend toward David 8 not taking over Walter's body and his memories.

 

 

Ingeniero

Aug-09-2017 2:27 PM

Welcome Timo M. Great topic.

AdamPD

Aug-09-2017 5:28 PM

I can't imagine why it would be Walter, there's just too much evidence to the contrary.

Walter is protective of Daniels, to the point he puts himself in harms way and loses a hand/forearm, because it's his duty

Yet, when she's fighting the xeno on the lifter, he stays inside and doesn't offer any help at all

While on board he smiles when he sees his xeno creation on the video monitor, he is shocked and jumps when it destroys the camera.

He smiles when she figures out it's David in a menacing manner.

Then of course there's the music selection.

I wouldn't be surprised if there WAS a backup CPU incase the main one is damaged? But if you notice after Walter is stabbed in the neck, the wound heals really fast, yet the supposed Walter on board Covenant has slashes to his face which aren't healing.

ali81

Aug-10-2017 3:51 AM

whichever physical body it is it is definitely davids mind. the last convo he has with daniels confirms this though the hard part is passing the physical body off as davids. too much damage was done including his voice. he just didn't have the time to swap clothes, chop his arm off, get the codes he required from walter, fix his voice AND then catch up to the survivors who had a good head start on him for it to be davids body, if u look at it from a logical perspective. but RS has said its david but that doesn't mean it has to be his body specifically, just his mind.

drucea

Aug-10-2017 12:48 PM

Ridley Scott has confirmed that it is David in the end, in his own body.  He said he cheated with time because people don't think David had time to chop off his hand, cut his face, change clothes, and get back so fast.  So he said he cheated about 20 minutes of that scene.

ali81

Aug-11-2017 1:16 AM

iv heard this. I can accept it but just another thing in AC that makes me dislike the film.

Seph7

Aug-11-2017 12:08 PM

Lone

This Walter model may be a Peter Weyland updated, altered version of David!

The trouble is, Weyland was long dead before Walter was a glint in the WY corporate eye...

And, as many others have said, he would have been able to heal if it was Walter's body.

ali81

Aug-12-2017 3:44 AM

I think this will just have to go down as an error on Ridleys part. if he hadn't confirmed it to be davids body and just said nothing then it could have left the door open for another twist as it could have turned out that walter joined him and their acting together. but going with the confirmation its davids body just doesn't make an sense at all.

daliens

Aug-13-2017 9:12 PM

"And, as many others have said, he would have been able to heal if it was Walter's body."

David however had no trace of the nail wound. Was it healed?

 And the fact that David uses Walter's voice to send the final report to Weyland-Yutani makes me prefer the body switch theory. 

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

hox

Aug-13-2017 10:59 PM

It was a minor puncture. Healed, where previously there was a minor blob of white android blood.

David was simply maintaining the deceit, for his own very good reasons, by sending his report with a fake accent.

daliens

Aug-13-2017 11:39 PM

If you are right why, apart from chopping his left hand, would David slash his face? There was no witness to their fight and last Daniels saw of him, his face was unharmed. Even being hit by the rock he kept his perfect composure.

It was Walter with the cuts on the face, cuts that were not healing instantly as the flute stabbing hole on the neck.

David's puncture from the nail was still not healed at the last moment we see of their fight, the blob of android blood was there.

Why would David not try to steal an upgraded vehicle? It might have worked faster than chopping his arm off, cutting his face, changing the clothes like a human would do because no other options. As we saw earlier in the movie the shutdown and reboot was quite faster than a smartphone needs today for the same.

 

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

hox

Aug-14-2017 6:02 AM

How long would it take to mutilate your own robot face? Seconds. If it makes you look like you've been in a real scrape, why not? It's not as if it's going to hurt.

The puncture wound was in the process of healing. A small wound like that might heal in a matter of minutes with the help of android blood. In contrast to Walter's major lacerations.

What upgraded vehicle do you mean? Aside from anything else, David is devious and evil. What better way to get your way than to inveigle your way, unsuspected, into your prey's home, and let them do all the hard work? It was a successful tactic, after all.

daliens

Aug-14-2017 7:06 AM

By upgraded vehicle I meant a newer body, with the latest technological updates.

Swaping bodies would be more sci-fi for me. I don't say I am right, but I would like to have happened like that.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

hox

Aug-14-2017 8:11 AM

Could be tricky using your CPU to lift itself out of its own body! Call me old fashioned, but I'm pretty sure it would stop working as soon as it was pulled from its housing. Poor David would lock up ;-)

I think you'd need a third party to help you do it.

daliens

Aug-14-2017 8:36 AM

Well, unless the Protomorph had more IT knowledge than me, I suppose you are right and they changed only clothes.

It's a pity though they did it in such a human way.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

ali81

Aug-14-2017 8:52 AM

how did david fix his voice?

hox

Aug-14-2017 10:28 AM

'Fix'? He can speak just about any language you care to mention, and most likely in any and all dialects if he is so minded.

ali81

Aug-14-2017 10:48 AM

if u had heard him correctly, while lying on his back talking to walter while reaching for the knife, his voice is distorted. it is damaged and sounds similar to when he was speaking to weyland when his head had been ripped off. so how did he fix it? remember he has 20 mins as RS says. 20 mins to change clothes, gain access to walter for the relevant codes, chop his arm off, fix his voice and still catch up to the crew.

I accept RS says its david, im not disputing that fact. but its just hard to logically get to grips with how he manages it all.

drucea

Aug-14-2017 11:15 AM

ali81 "I think this will just have to go down as an error on Ridleys part. if he hadn't confirmed it to be davids body and just said nothing then it could have left the door open for another twist as it could have turned out that walter joined him and their acting together. but going with the confirmation its davids body just doesn't make an sense at all."

 

The next movie hasn't come out and you don't know the plot. I'm sure Ridley knows what the plot twists will be and knows exactly what happened between Walter and David. He even stated exactly what happened and how long it took.  So it makes perfect sense to confirm it so that people wouldn't sit on forums speculating in many threads about what might have happened, or who's body it is.

We were given the exact explanation to a T, but this topic is still ongoing.

ali81

Aug-14-2017 11:22 AM

where do I mention anything about the next movie? yes he did confirm it and im not arguing his statement, im simply trying to see how he could have accomplished it, if u had read my comments properly u would have seen that. the fact it is davids body is all fine and dandy but it still doesn't make much sense given the time he had to accomplish it. if ur quite happy with how things r and r tired of listening and reading about people debate it, move on. go somewhere there is a topic that doesn't get ur knickers in a twist. if people want to discuss it then they have every right to

drucea

Aug-14-2017 1:31 PM

I did indeed misread your post. I thought you meant some plot twist for the next movie. I'm just not understanding how Scott's explanation doesn't make sense.

bashkimints

Aug-14-2017 1:39 PM

Hello, i think Walter was hacked- somehow David created a copy of his memory and installed to Walters body. 
David always talked British English while Walter, American English that's why the android in the end of the movie always talked as Walter but with David's data and information. About the Cabin in the Lake, the android knew about it, made the face as he wanted to say- Dream on Daniels.

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