Hello! I watched Covenant today and I wonder about how did David get on the Covenant. The most possible explanation was that he transferred his consciousness to Walter but when did this happened ? During that gay kiss or was it after their fight when David says to him that this is his last chance: choose them or him. I'm also not sure about that scene with flute and hit in the neck. Was it to show Walters regeneration ability or did David hit perfectly in his turn off switch and then preprogrammed him.
I feel that somewhat supports my theory of a hidden mission from either Weyland Enterprise or some other hidden corporation that wanted and possibly even knew about the bio-weapon making this an actual search and recovery mission disguised as a colony mission. MUTHER could have detected David was still alive or just sent out a wide broadcast, and notified him other humans had arrived, allowing him time to plan ahead and then swallow the alien embryos just before he made contact.
It takes right around 1 minute of screen time from when we last see Walter fighting David to David-as-Walter on the plaza. The way the action plays, that seems like it was all in real time too, not condensed movie time, so not even enough time to change clothes, let alone make matching face cuts and chop your hand off.
According to RS, it was condensed time. He states in the Empire interview that it took a total of 20 minutes for the fight, incapacitating of Walter, taking his clothes, cutting off his own hand, and running after Daniels and Lope. Plenty of time to take Walter's place. Which is what RS also says happened. David did not implant himself in Walter.
What if synths can/could be uploaded and downloaded.....?
Would everyone be okay if David uploaded his core into Ash and became Ash(David finally getting defeated by the crew of Nostromo....head knocked off and burned alive)?
Uploading yourself into a weak older synth is probably not wise...but maybe he needed to escape again and had little choice?
"David's body was badly damaged, he could not move. Ash propped him against the wall.
Ash "I fear this is the end old friend..."
David "No. ..This is just the beginning..."
I'm not sure it would be feasible... If they could upload and download their consciousness so easily, AI would be rife for tampering by anyone and everyone. Pretty sure WY would never allow that.
It was Walter not David at the end. Walter had already decided David was beneath him and it had already shown Walter's reflexes are vastly superior to David's. David gave Walter a choice between two. Only two. But Walter saw that David's mindset was right but that David, himself, was inferior. You can see him thinking about Davids philosophies when David let's Walter in on of his intentions. It can also be seen that the injuries on the android in question matches the one's of Walter but they do not match the one's of David. There is no hole in the neck where Walter stabbed him. It may not be definitive but it's a cool thought.
From reading the novel I am convinced that there was no consciousness-download at play and that Walter is still alive on Planet 4.
In the novel, when David (pretending to be Walter), reaches the rendezvous sight for the cargo lift, he warns Shaw that David is still alive and at large.
From this we can see that David must have deactivated Walter again and was not confident in how long Walter's incapacitation would last. He likely swapped clothes with Walter. David was hoping that if Walter did come running out to warn them, they'd mistake him for himself.
re: David downloading himself into Ash
OMG I LOVE IT SO MUCH I'VE JUST HEAD-CANONIZED IT!!! YESSS!
I can picture that scene the way you wrote it and it is AWESOME!!!
It works on so many levels. For one thing, in the novel, during Weyland and David's discussion of Wagner's "Entry of the Gods into Valhalla" David mentioned that the aforementioned Gods were doomed to die in a fire that would beset Valhalla.
So, David's efforts at Godhood being thwarted and him being burnt to a crisp fits very nicely.
Plus, Ash throws Ripley across the room almost exactly the same way David threw Daniels.
And who knows why Ash tried to Kill her by stuffing a rolled up magazine down he throat...? But...it fits pretty well for David because as I've said before, he's a pretty weird dude.
Also, the whole "...you have my sympathies." *Malevolent smile* is very David.
Oh man MonsterZero, I just love your idea so much and I really hope it happens in the next movie.
Walter would have to had to either downloaded David. Why would david make the exact same cut on his face as walter? There would have been no need for it as no one was there during the fight when walter got cut
Check the directors commentary. R. Scott tells you that you should have been figured out it was David. That Daniels figured it out once he "Walter" was clueless about the cabin and didn't respond to her but had that discombobulated look.
One definite point we should know it's not Walter is that part of the upgrades is a sort of self healing. We see it at the beginning when the alien bit his hand off (I thought it was the right one and had to act out the scene on my couch lol) and again at the end when he sealed up the puncture in his neck. David instead had to staple his wounds. When is the last film coming out and I hope it has more scenes with the aliens in it.
Weyland did know David was on Planet 4. He sent them a message (as shown in deleted scene in extras on blue ray) telling them all about what happened on Prometheus, what he did to shaw and about his experiments and intentions. The Company obviously wants to get their hands on the Alien for their Bio-Weapons division as we have seen in every Canon movie in the Ripley Saga. Why not work with David (for now) and send the covenant to him so that he can turn them all into aliens which the Company can then take possession of later. No coincidence Covenant was stopped where it was by neutrino burst or that they picked up the transmission of Shaw because (The Company/David) lured them there purposely knowing exactly what Covenant was... the Company probably told him. David is able to take over or best Walter in combat despite the latters "upgrades" because the company told him how and they even secretly programed M.U.T.H.E.R to take commands from David as they knew or at least planned on him taking that mission over. Its all coming full circle with the Company pre Yatani with Peter wanting to meet his maker and live forever to the Weyland-Yatani we know from the original who wants to weaponize the Alien. Lets just hope now that Disney owns 20th Century Fox and thus the Alien franchise we get to see how it all plays out.
Those kinds of theories have been debated on here before, and they are something you cant rule out, especially considering the Codes David used with M.U.T.H.E.R it is possible David as Walter programed some New Directives into M.U.T.H.E.R that he latter activated, but we also cant guarantee this happened and so that leaves us wondering if the explanation above is not what happened, then how did M.U.T.H.E.R recognize Davids Commands?
When i debated this before (prior to the Additional Advent Scenes) i thought such could we rule out the Company indeed being in the know all this time? But the Advent Scene would indicate maybe not.. but prior when i debated this and thought OK so what if the Company was aware of Davids Location and its mission was purely to end up where David was and all along its been a complete Set-Up, this could back up ALIEN and the reason for ASH and Special Order 937
But then i asked, why would the company be so willing to invest all that money and send those Colonist to their Deaths, surely there are other ways to obtain Davids Experiments... why would they send Colonist to be used by David? If they really was in the know and hence Davids CODES.. why would a company be so CRUEL and see Humans as Expendable.
It just all seemed a bit ODD but something we cant rule out... as we have Special Order 937 and then we have Hadleys Hope, but was the company all along willing to Sacrifice Countless Human's for his pursuit of Davids Creation? Again..... MAYBE?
But back then (prior to DVD Extras Advent etc) i thought while we have to Question a Company being so Sinister but yet cant rule it out.... i thought HOWEVER if the Company is Infiltrated/Ran by AI then the Agenda to use Humans as merely Pawns makes much more sense...
So having AI running things, without Mankind being aware is something we cant rule out, and especially in light of Ridley Scotts comments about how the next movie will focus on AI
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sorry if this has already been dicussed.
So Walter has a big cut on his left cheek and david doesn’t. I paused the last moments of the fight, took a snap shot of david lying on the floor and messed with the brightness and contrast. There is no cut on david’s left cheek. It doesn’t make sense that david would defeat Walter then cut his hand of steel his clothes and then cut his face. There was no need for the cut if this is what he did.
I believe somehow david is in walters body.
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