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Ingeniero

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The Engineer in the beginning of Prometheus consumed a small amount of black liquid in order to affect a planet.

With such a small amount used before the Engineer elders left, what would happen if David 8 used to contents of the cargo hold shown above (or from the juggernaut shown crashed) to wipe out Paradise on arrival?

David 8 obviously can turn it on and pilot the juggernaut.

Why wouldn't David 8 be able to carry out the plans the Engineers on LV-223 had for Earth but on their home?

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BigDave you are spot on. Yes, the urns could get digested in the process of distributing the black goo.

The internals were like glass so if the urns were just poured out then the glass-like internal structure of the urn would dissolve and broadcast the black goo when the urns were forced opened upon impact.

With or without a thermite-type reaction.

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Indeed this seems to be what we see in Prometheus.

Inside there appears to be different elements that are kept apart, and when these are mixed... we get the Black Goo Reaction.

It is the Environment in the Big Head/Mural Room that prevented this from Activating until the Prometheus Crew affected this Atmosphere.

But indeed Freezing them does prevent them from being activated.  

Which could give a alternative reason for the way they are stuck too and into that compound and does it have a affect on being able to affect the Urns as far as to keep them in a suspended state?

Back to the Question about does every Ship have the Same Cargo?  I mentioned how Spaights draft had 8 kinds of Bio-Weapon Eggs, and indeed maybe there are different kinds of Urns as far as DNA

I find the Egyptian Canopic Jars interesting as they look like the Urns and have a removable Top 2/3rds of the way up.

Different Urns with different DNA Codes inside?

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That example is great BigDave.

Do you think that is why we see different sized urns in the background of this image?

Segregated by what organism you wish to create.

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Here is a close up shot of the row of pyramids on LV-223.

And the below diagram again for example...

Captain Janek speculated that LV-223 could be a military installation due to the planet's segregation (from general population) and hostile environment.

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BD & Ungun,

How is this for an idea?  What if the whole dumbbell shaped urn pillar is dropped from space with a trajectory to hit the planet. During atmosphere entry the payload is spinning and the binder holding the urns together burns off. This would cause all the urns to separate from each other giving a much wider area of dispersion/devastation when they hit the ground spilling their contents everywhere  Or the urns open during entry seeding clouds with droplets of the black goo.  This would be my tactic.  The cloud seeding is possible with the goo oozing out the top vs david removing the lid in the lab.

 

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Rick, tear gas projectiles do not release gas. The contents (colored powder) is disbursed though the room (environment) once the tear gas projectile ruptures against hard surfaces. 

You could pour out all the urns from the juggernaut like legos out of a tea pitcher on the Engineers and the contents of the urns would rupture and aerosol the environment.

I would make sure that you get real close to drop the urns out and take out the local architecture too.

I'm projecting here but my conversations with David's severed head would start on this plan during the quad-tred vehicle ride to the other juggernaut that wasn't dropped once.

If I was Dr. Elizabeth Shaw and just lost my spouse to the Engineer's plans, I would be everything David needed me to be in order to wipe them out. I would think let's go to the Engineer home planet and wipe out those arrogant humanoids and David can run the show once I'm gone.

She is a smart girl so I think in the back of her mind she would believe David would die trying and good because of this.

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@Rick

I think indeed dropping the Goo into the Atmosphere would be ideal but also Water Supply.

We dont know yet how they get deployed however, what we do know is under certain environmental factors the Lid of the Urns seems to dissolve away and a reaction inside the Urns causes the  Black Goo to seep out of the Top....

I would ponder... do the Urns get loaded into some device that affects them and then allows the Black Goo to Seep out into some other device that then sprays the resulting Goo out?

Maybe the used up Urn canisters get placed somewhere else on the ship, in a separate hold instead of being shot out like Empty Ammo Cases.

So its basically like Spraying Crops with Pesticides rather than dropping actual Urns.

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@Ingeniero

I think Shaw has nothing to lose and nothing to go back to, the only thing she has is her Faith and she wants answers so she can see if her Faith is something or nothing, and so i think death would not cause fear for her if she can get her answers.

The question is can David persuade her the chances of getting answers from these beings is small, and that by destroying them he can gain her answers from the ruins of their civilization.

We dont know as of yet if there are any beings on Paradise when David arrived, or how many.  The 4Chan leak claims there was many but David drops the Urns on them... where we see no evidence of Urns and the effects.

The COVENANT has to apply some how..

Maybe for these beings and especially if there are not many left or they was punished so that Females was taken away from them.

David has TWO Bargaining Tools

Shaw and the Black Goo either of which David can barter a Covenant with those beings or who remains.

Seems David has experimented on Engineers in his Lab, surely not from the Burnt remains we have seen.. so potentially he has some more Fresh Test Subjects.

Are these a few he finds and makes a Covenant with and then double crosses?

Or are there any in Cryo-Sleep on the Juggernaught, but then surely Shaw would want to wake them up and get her answers right there and then.

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Thank you BigDave.

Maybe the solid housing (electrical field, UV catalyst?) holding the urns in place liquifies and the urns churn out together on the way out of a hole in the side of the ship to rain down.

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I honestly never understood why people freak out so much that the Space Jockey from Alien is a fossilized suit. If it is organic like you all claim then it makes sense that it would fossilize. Also remember "An amazing state of preservation"? So I really don't mind it, but am quite entertained when you all complain about it 

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Maybe David somehowe releases the containers with black goo on arival to paradise through some kind of "bombbay door-device and that  the "burnt figures" that you see in some pictures are the humanoids that lived on paradise ( not necessarily Engineers) and that those pictures are from a flashback. Maybe something that David tells the crew from covenant? 

It also seems that Shaw has hid away in the Juggernought, maybe to avoid contamination? After the Juggernought has landet David waits for the black goo to do it's thing and then sets up shop in the temple... Everything according to his programing. This is all part of a greater plot. The company allways wanted a specimen for the bio-weaponsdivision... And it is too dangerous to experiment with this on Eart... 

How the company knows about this I have no idea.

 

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I am thinking the lv233 engineers wiped out paradise and other planets where perhaps there were more humanoids. Earth was the next on the list until someone or something sabatoged it.

When Shaw asked where they came from, and David said paradise. This could be mean thats the last planet they came from wiping out. 

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Apex_Predator, that is very good and why not? David didn't tell Dr. Shaw nor any other Prometheus crew that there were "many" other ships.

David told Dr. Shaw this once she questioned how they would leave LV-223. David obviously knew more about the Engineers than he told any of the crew.

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Parkerparrot, I agree, that's what I think regarding dropping the black goo somehow...which way?, we haven't seen yet.

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Ingeniero... If I was a Engineer, I would not let the black goo run out from my ship through holes in the hull, contaminating the outside of the ship, trying to spread the goo in the atmosphere.  That would bee to dangerous. I'd rather  have a kind of secure way of delivering the canister to its goal and have it expload on impact, spreading the goo all over and contaminating the place that way instead. What do you think?

 

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Perfectly valid point.

I agree.

 

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Ingeniero... Very good point indeed about the weaponssystem and David beeing resistent to the black goo. I was thinking that David might not want to infect Shaw before he can scientificaly master the goo and do it under controlled circumstances.

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Parkerparrot, there is still so much we do not know about the trip from LV-223 to Paradise.

I thought the corporate timeline was very interesting here:

https://www.weylandindustries.com

I saw when David's skin development breakthrough happened and other notable items in the Weyland Industries historical timeline.

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That was really interesting Ingeniero! Thanks for the link! Much apriciated!

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