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MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 9:52 PMI thought it was interesting that there are no subtitles for the language David uses when he speaks with the Engineer they have just woken it up? Any thoughts on what you think he said?
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sukkal
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 9:57 PMThe context in *this* edit implies that he was pissed off by David's translation of Weyland's demand/request.
I hope that we can find out "what really happened." I'm working on it.
Everything in the odd context points towards a *conversation* to which we are not privy in the theatrical release because it was redacted in the editing.
The fact that we are not allowed to hear that conversation between the Engineer and David is one of my BIGGEST peeves with the film.
Arkadine
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 9:59 PM"You look so pale, like you are in need of a transfusion!" lol
WhyDontTheyFreezeHim
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 9:59 PMDavid greets the Space Jockey by saying "Dillon!!! Yoooou son of a bitch!" - a line from one his favourite movies.
The Space Jockey takes it the wrong way, thinking David is just insulting his mother.
SJB
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 10:07 PMlol some funny stuff guys :)
what i was thinking was that maybe David looking for freedom from Weyland says something to incite the Engineer. Although David does not full understand what freedom would mean for him.
Stefano
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 10:07 PMNot sure, but honestly, if they had subtitled this, i would have been a lot less frustrated with the film.
artyoh
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 10:09 PMWe don't know if what David says, has [i]any[/i] bearing on how the Engineer reacts. We [i]do[/i] know that from the engineer's perspective, it was only yesterday that he planned on wiping out our species, either through physical death or horrific mutation. Apparently, his mood hasn't changed
msepsis
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 10:11 PMha Freeze!!
I interpreted it as David was suggesting some crazy swiss named Hans Rudolf who would have helped their creature "engineering" . . . but I like Freeze's interpretation better.
Hadley's Hope
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 10:14 PMPerhaps he said "You mad bro? Come at me bro!" ? No, David's not a dumb internet troll, so probably not that.
It's open to interpretation.
One on hand , David is programmed to obey Weyland, even to the point of infecting Holloway. he may have simply translated what he was asked, but the Space Jockey wanted to kill them anyway - it was on a mission to kill all humans.
On the other hand, the converstion he has with Shaw just prior to the trip, He says he has no concept of freedom or 'wanting' but says that 'don't all children want their parents dead' - I find it an odd idea to think that he would want to say something to the Space Jockey to enrage him, as it's just as capable of ripping David apart as it is of killing Weyland... in fact it kills Weyland by belting him in the skull with David's head.
I haven't seen Lost, but I've heard that the writers (which include Lindelhof) set up a lot of little teasers which were red herrings, just to get the audience speculating.
WhyDontTheyFreezeHim
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 10:35 PMI find the scene of Weyland getting belted by Davids head interesting and symbolic in a way.
Weylands creation was the tool used to cause his death. I think the space jockey intended to kill him with his own creation.
josiyah
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 10:40 PMi want to get my hands on a copy, just to put my curiosity to rest about whether the few words he was learning during the flight were used when he spoke to the engineer. I can't remember if english versions were spoken, i don't think so but I'm still curious to see :P
SJB
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 10:40 PMinteresting the way the engineer touches/strokes the head of David as well. appears to me to be some disconnected actions that lead me to think that the dialogue may not have been 'innocent'. either way it is fun to contemplate the meaning, if any at all.
Svanya
AdminPraetorianJun-08-2012 10:43 PMLoved David's look of pure joy when he was caressed by the SJ. Made me feel like he needed that physical contact, hugs from daddy so to speak. Interesting need for a Robot.
I interpreted it differently, I think the SJ saw the cruelty we humans are capable of, or was reminded of it when Weyland asks to have Shaw "quieted" and she then got a blow to her already damaged abdomen.
josiyah
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 10:45 PM@Svanya
yeah either that or just the significance of the situation, it has been said in his youtube interview that he has emotions or atleast and understanding of them so maybe. Gotta admit despite the fact he's a robot people were pretty harsh to him at some points, kinda asking for trouble.
WhyDontTheyFreezeHim
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 10:46 PMDefinitely fun to contemplate the meaning. I know this scene frustrated a lot of people, but personally, this was one scene where I was actually glad we didnt get subtitles. I liked that its left open.
WhyDontTheyFreezeHim
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 10:47 PM@Svanya - I thought that too! So many things it could be!
SJB
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 10:48 PMSvanya, agree! I thought it was an interesting scene and imagery. Meeting the maker of my maker maybe? Maybe even meeting someone/something more equal to David?
Svanya
AdminPraetorianJun-08-2012 10:49 PM@josiyah; Yes, and I firmly believe that if we are to bring A.I into this world we have the responsibility to treat them with care and treat them like the children they are. We emulate our "parents" so we need to be kind and teach our A.I "children" good lessons not bad.
Arkadine
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 10:50 PMWhatever he said, he must have started by introducing the group as coming from Earth. Probably he reverentially paid respects to the giant, in the same way ancient people would have addressed Isis or Quetzalcoatl if they had them before them. That is why the Engineer gently strokes David's hair. He maybe also detected that he is an artificial being, and to his eyes we humans are not supposed to create other beings. That reminds him why he is supposed to wipe us out.. we went too far
SJB
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 10:53 PM@WhyDontTheyFreezeHim
Agree with your view. I like that some things/ideas/thoughts are left to us to think about and enjoy in our own heads. I know some people are frustrated by that and I guess that is why we all enjoy movies differently.
Some fantastic ideas in this move. In recent months I had just finished watching the entire series of Ancient Aliens from the History channel. Some really cool comparisons between the series and the ideas explored in the movie
josiyah
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 10:55 PM@Svanya
With out a doubt, they need to know right from wrong and be given equal respect. If these movies have taught us anything :)
sukkal
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 11:12 PM
A conversation is almost undeniably is missing.
[url=http://ifonlyuk.com/interviews/interview-daniel-twiss/]Daniel had lines which he learned and performed[/url]. They are [u]missing[/u] from the film.
Because David smiled, I also think that something meaningful likely originally transpired between them.
That said, as artyoh pointed out, the Engineer was likely a military agent or some such and most recently (2k years ago = "yesterday"?) under some kind of order to annihilate humanity. Perhaps he saw in David's obeisance to Weyland (whom even a dog would instantaneously recognize as evil) that the "bad guys" had to go.
I am DYING to know what transpired linguistically between the Engineer and David in the original. It feels like an utter tragedy to me that it was cut.
artyoh
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 11:16 PMDavid isn't [i]just[/i] a toaster, that's for sure. Certainly not [i]everything[/i] he did was at Weyland's behest, and he had to react to situations as they unfolded. They weren't in constant communication.
It is funny how so many people have bitched about Lindelof's ambiguity......and yet, here we are muddling through it with theories and speculation. If the story had been tied up into a neat little bow, that wouldn't be happening....it would be over and done....."The Thing" prequel, anyone?
Besides, if you really want to blame anyone for ambiguities, you need look no further than Ridley Scott, himself.
Westy
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 11:21 PMFind someone who speaks Mayan. It doesnt look like he asked the engineer for anything, sounds more like he was greeting him.
artyoh
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 11:27 PMLike I said, the dude had been in a freezer for 2000 years, but he wasn't [i]conscious[/i] of that time passing.........he had every intention of wiping us out, just before he went to sleep.......why the hell would he be happy to find us waking him up?
We will [i]never[/i] learn chapter and verse about these monsters, because the more they're defined, the less ( apparently ) threatening they will become.
But back to the whole "wiping us out" business.......we only "know" that because David informs us of it.....who says he's necessarily being honest about that? heh heh
Arkadine
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 11:28 PMAfter watching the movie I can say that I don't see too much of Lindelof's hand in there. I guess he was to Ridley Scott much as David was to Weyland. He just followed directions and he must be good at it because he just got another similar job rewriting Wold War Z.
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