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Is Dr Shaw the first alien queen?

Is Dr Shaw the first alien queen?

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akvnr

OvomorphMember15 XPJan-06-2022 2:14 PM

She checks everything. Her uterus is the alien egg, when it got out of her it turned into a bodyhugger and was capable of infecting a really big pray.

After David successfully got her dna(?) he could make even more and more precise eggs so that checks out too.

12 Responses to Is Dr Shaw the first alien queen?

Xenotaris

PraetorianMember3641 XPJan-07-2022 8:06 AM

maybe

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Thoughts_Dreams

NeomorphMember1621 XPJan-08-2022 4:18 AM

That's kind of interesting, who's to say that an alien-queen has to be what we saw in Aliens? With the black goo it can take different turns. At least it makes Shaw being useful for something. :D

Stick around, it's fun to have new members here.

Xenotaris

PraetorianMember3641 XPJan-08-2022 7:29 AM

I'm pretty sure that ALIENS established the whole QUEEN CASTE because WITHOUT the movie ALIENS, there would be NO QUEEN.

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akvnr

OvomorphMember15 XPJan-10-2022 10:27 AM

Thoughts_Dreams (i hope this is how i reply to someone). Thank you for your kind words!

I don't yet know many things about the og movies, but i have some theories how Dr Shaw -as David said- was the perfect specimen:)

Svanya

PraetorianAdmin4317 XPJan-14-2022 12:56 PM

That's what I always understood her to be, but as more of a prototype than an actual queen. There were a few threads on the subject way back when Alien Covenant was released. 

BigDave

DeaconMember10333 XPFeb-08-2022 5:30 PM

It would seem that YES our Dr Shaw is the FIRST QUEEN... but NOT a Traditional Queen from ALIENS.... if RS had continued we may have seen a Humanoid Queen Element taken to another STAGE... but we would STILL not arrive at the JC version from ALIENS... which is LIKELY to had been a Evolution/Mutation.

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Xenotaris

PraetorianMember3641 XPFeb-09-2022 3:58 PM

Well current canon over seen by Andrew E. C. Gaska rendered the Planet 4 xenomorph as its own linage separate from the baseline xenomorph as in David just merely based his praetomorph on actual engineer created xenomorphs. So David's praetomorph queen will not be directed related to the actual Xenomorph Queen

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lisam

OvomorphMember16 XPSep-21-2022 11:36 AM

Yes!

Xenotaris

PraetorianMember3641 XPSep-21-2022 8:39 PM

After reading more into the Alien RPG, I now like to think of the xenomorphs as being an ancient organism rather than a recent creation

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BigDave

DeaconMember10333 XPSep-30-2022 7:30 AM

It would seem that the PLAN by Ridley Scott was that David had Created the Xenomorph but as this HAD NOT gone down well.... It left it OPEN to be Explored in another way.

This makes a Complete MESS of the Franchise in trying to UNDO what Alien Covenant had Shown....   I have NOT gone and Read the RPG or its Material.

The ONLY WAY to make Sense of it all NOW would be that the Engineers had Encountered something they had NOT Created, and that they had seen this Organism as having some TRAITS that would be USEFUL to Create the PERFECT ORGANISM.... and they Began Experiments which lead to the DEACON.

David had then worked this OUT and either (A) had Attempted to Harness the Genetics/DNA of the more PURE FORM that the Engineers Deacon had came from to Create his OWN Variant of the more Ancient Organism. or (B)  that Experiments with DNA of the Deacon and other Related Organisms contained the Genetic Makeup of the Xenomorph and would Eventually become Refined on its own to Revert back to Closer to the Xenomorph.

In Order to make this FIT more in with Supporting Evidence it would be IDEAL to then Indicate that the Derelict had been on LV-426 for Hundreds of Years or even just Decades before the LV-223 Experiments to Create the Deacons...

A U-Turn on what had been indicated by RS Comments at the Time of Prometheus which was that the events of the Outbreak on LV-223 had resulted in something that Evolved to those Eggs on the Derelict some Few Hundred years after.

This was changed to possibly indicate that at some point within the Next 10 Years after the events of ALIEN COVENANT would see HOW/WHEN/WHY those Eggs got onto the Derelict but their Origins would have came from the Experiments that David had Conducted on Planet 4.

But the Consensus seems that MOST of the Fans prefer that the Xenomorph is something that has been around prior to Prometheus, and it would seem that Disney would likely be ON BOARD with the same Concept.

And Hence the OPTION A or B i had mentioned above would be ideal ways to TIDY UP the Loose Ends.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10333 XPSep-30-2022 7:35 AM

All this MESS had came about due to Reaction  by the Powers that be to some of the Negativity of Prometheus (lack of Answers to the Xenomorph or having anything like it on Screen) and the Growing Interest in Blomkamps Alien V....

which then led to the Xenomorph being FORCED into the Plot and a Re-Working of what was Originally being worked on in 2014... to what became the Summer 2015 Drafts that became our Alien Covenant. We may NEVER see the Light of Day of any of the Work by Paglen and Green.... but it would seem it would NOT have been like Alien Covenant..... certainly as FAR as seeing Xenomorphs.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Xenotaris

PraetorianMember3641 XPSep-30-2022 11:27 PM

It good to see you again Big Dave

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