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LV-223 Engineer Suit (enhanced), ties to Biomechanical Xenomorph?

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianSep-12-2017 3:09 PM

LV-223 Engineer Suit

The series of images below detail the Engineer suit seen on LV-223 from different angles.

 

 

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Ati

MemberPraetorianSep-12-2017 3:13 PM

Strange part at the neck:

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianSep-12-2017 3:17 PM

I see that at the forearm too Ati.

The suit must "heal" to the Engineer skin and most assuredly provide nutrients when in hypersleep.

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Lawrence of Arabia

MemberChestbursterSep-12-2017 4:56 PM

I hope we get to see these Engineers again in Awakening. Love their designs.

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

Cerulean Blue

MemberFacehuggerSep-13-2017 6:06 AM

TYVM!!!  I love the suit!!

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianSep-13-2017 7:00 AM

You are most welcome Cerulean Blue.

I agree Lawrence of Arabia and hope we see the military Engineers (LV-223) again...and I do believe we will.

I assume the Engineer suit is biomechanical due to the adhesion to Engineer skin and the ability to delivery needed nutrition for thousands of years in hypersleep.

I can't help but notice the similarities in between the Engineer suit and aspects of the biomechanical xenomorph.

Was David 8 able to harness the technology the Engineer's use to grow/develop their suits and incorporate it into his organism?

 

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Davefried81

MemberFacehuggerSep-13-2017 7:00 AM

Glad you posted this!  I have done a pretty fair amount of studying and research on the Engineer suit.  I swear I am not crazy if I see the Engineer suit resembling the Big Chap Xeno markings?  Between the rib cage, the forearm pictures posted it is almost a perfect fit.  I always thought the Derelict Engineer in Alien was the first pure birth of the bio mechanical Xeno.  It all adds up since the Xeno takes on its hosts characteristics.  When an Engineer is all suited up in the flight suit, it is biomechanical.  Now I am ranting!  But yes...the Engineer suit really does look like it has Big Chap characteristics.

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianSep-13-2017 7:05 AM

You are not crazy Davefried81.

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianSep-13-2017 7:17 AM

David 8's notes regarding forearms' development:

See notes above; C.2.) “show a transition from curiously unmodified forearm skeletal structure to a more fortified one where mass is transferred to reinforcing lateral ridges.”

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Davefried81

MemberFacehuggerSep-13-2017 7:22 AM

 ngeniero Dang that is a good catch!  When are we going to get a published book on David's notes.  We need it..NOW

Dark Nebula

StaffXenomorphSep-13-2017 8:00 AM

To me, it looks closer to one of Giger's early xenomorph designs.

 

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianSep-13-2017 8:03 AM

Fantastic example Dark Nebula. Thank you so much for the image above.

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianSep-13-2017 8:04 AM

I agree regarding a book of David 8's drawings Davefried81. Thank you for the kind words.

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SuperAlien

MemberXenomorphSep-13-2017 8:19 AM

Davefried81

I always thought the Derelict Engineer in Alien was the first pure birth of the bio mechanical Xeno. It all adds up since the Xeno takes on its hosts characteristics.  When an Engineer is all suited up in the flight suit, it is biomechanical.

The first biomechanical Xeno we see is the son of Kane. Unless a "queen" was born from the Space Jockey and laid all those eggs from the derelict ship...

On the other hand the Deacon emerged from a suited up engineer and it does not look at all like the suit of its host. Is there any chance the Deacon is actually a "queen"? There must be some important point in showing the Deacon at the end of Prometheus.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

SuperAlien

MemberXenomorphSep-13-2017 8:49 AM

"...the ultimate maturation of the engineers' direction if not their literal fate. Through the virus / Xenomorph as glorious synthesis and poetic culmination of the species. And an amusing biblical one at that. Though not quite linear due to my own inheritance..."

What does that mean?

Thanks for another great post Ingeniero

 

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianSep-13-2017 12:23 PM

I tried to answer your above question here, daliens.

Thank you for asking.

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sherris

MemberChestbursterSep-14-2017 9:34 AM

In the "Art of Prometheus", those 3 shots before the book starts are amazing. With the Bird Faced Creature,  and also the other picture before it.

Ingenerio - i cant do photos and stuff. would you ever have time to show us those pics and your thoughts plz.

the engineer suit got me thinking about something i noticed in the hall of heads pics this afternoon.

If not i understand and thanks for your detailed masterpieces so far !! a1

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianSep-14-2017 11:04 AM

Will do sherris on the Art of Prometheus.

I just ordered a copy and will give requested analysis/opinion. Thank you for the compliment of asking for it from me. I also ordered a copy of the Art of Alien: Covenant as well.

I preordered my copy of the Alien: Covenant prequel novel that is released this month and can't wait to get it.

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sherris

MemberChestbursterSep-14-2017 11:43 AM

Ingenerio -

Oh i have not ordered the novel yet but will atch on release.

Hey, iam really enjoying your posts and vision. Also the fact that you are almost single handed carrying Alien-Covenant.com through this tough patch. Keeping things not only fresh but detailed and things we can add on to. So i always try to check an Ingenerio thread.

Thanks in advance and for allyour hard work man.

BTW I enjoy Art of P. more than Art of C. Just preference i think. My major saw point was aside from the opening pages in "Art of P." the mural / Fresco character was not in the actual book. Oh well cant have it all :(

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianSep-14-2017 1:44 PM

I believe the novel will be rich with Engineer content sherris.

Thank you for the kind words above but to clarify, most of my late topics have been responses to: awesome questions from daliens, the online script analysis/documentation from dk, and tech assistance from IRaptus on the embed video. I am certainly excited to discuss Engineer anything with Davefried81 and Lawrence of Arabia. So I go there too.

Yes, Cerulean Blue, I believe the Engineers used tech to control weather, here. Jason Cardona delivered magic here. I don't carry much at all.

I do not remember a single fluff post (all good stuff) from Dark Nebula.

I do appreciate so many of the other topics that have come out during the slow traffic period lately and I didn't want to be disrespectful by not mentioning how I've been motivated by other's questions and comments. And the string of image analysis and collections from Ati.

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SuperAlien

MemberXenomorphSep-15-2017 12:27 AM

sherris I agree, Ingeniero can make an interesting topic even from the Protomorph hindquarters :) and keep this forum alive and fresh.

Thank you so much again Ingeniero for your fruitful efforts.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

sherris

MemberChestbursterSep-15-2017 6:01 AM

Ingenerio - 

Yes the others you mentioned have all done a great job too keeping this fresh. i totally agree !! Respect to u all ;)

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianSep-15-2017 10:33 AM

Thank you daliens and sherris. My pleasure.

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Cerulean Blue

MemberFacehuggerSep-15-2017 10:45 AM

Great stuff Ingeniero!

Thoughts_Dreams

MemberNeomorphSep-18-2017 12:45 PM

Lawrence of Arabia:

 

I wouldn't mind seeing more about the Engineers if they manage to make them interesting and make sense as far as the franchise in general is concerned. The potential is there, it is just that they haven't succeeded this far.

 

The pressure suit and that part of the Xeno seem to have something in common as far as the look is concerned. This is interesting.

 

Davefried81: Nah, you're not crazy. I see that too

 

drucea

MemberFacehuggerSep-18-2017 1:24 PM

I'm still convinced that the suit is just the Engineer mutated with the black goo in a controlled enough way that it changes them the way they want to be.  Maybe with the correct amount or concoction, Holloway could've ended up like these guys.  The suits just seem so organic and almost slimy. along with it fusing with the regular skin at the neck and wrists. 

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianSep-19-2017 8:24 AM

"I'm still convinced that the suit is just the Engineer mutated with the black goo in a controlled enough way that it changes them the way they want to be."

I am leaning towards what you wrote above drucea

David 8 may have been able to use a genomic design harnessed from the aspects of the Engineer suits (skin mutation) to construct the biomechanical xenomorph.

Building on that, yes, I believe the Engineer suits were either grown on the Engineer skin or the Engineer was designed with the mutation "on" his skin that makes up the "suit".

The pressure suit in the above hologram (and below in Fifield's feed and the Engineer pilot images) is a separate layer from the Engineer suit/skin.

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Ati

MemberPraetorianSep-19-2017 3:31 PM

Ingeniero

- 'And the string of image analysis and collections from Ati.'

I'm happy you find them useful.

drucea

MemberFacehuggerSep-20-2017 11:21 AM

Ingeniero - I agree with you that the LV 223 Engineers may have been developed with the "suit" already part of their skin/body. Now I'm wondering about the similarity between the sacrificial engineer and the LV 223 ones.  Perhaps they are both either engineered, or are examples of the perfect specimens of their race.  If they are just clones or grown to have certain traits, maybe elders from the Prometheus opening would develop perfect, "clean" individuals to seed worlds, but developed the ones with the biosuit/skin to handle the task of destroying worlds or delivering the payload of goo that would wipe the slate clean.
And leading from that, I started thinking about David's (I think he said it) comments along the lines of saying the Engineers used to have a cruel sacrificial routine, but that they changed their ways or something like that.  Maybe the LV 223 Engineer woke up after their race had ceased whatever cruel sacrifice they used to use, but he never got the message being in cryosleep for so long lol.

ali81

MemberNeomorphSep-20-2017 11:37 AM

this is what annoys me about this prequel series so far. we have nothing to go on where the engineers are concerned n they were meant to be the main focus of it all. they really need to give the engineers proper screen time and give the fans what they deserve, an epic movie. after all, we did sit through AVP and AVPR

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianSep-21-2017 1:11 PM

You're a great sceptic ali81...much needed with some of the far out connections I try to make. I strongly agree with what you said above in regards to the Engineers. One mystery (xenomorph origin) has been replaced with another mystery (Engineers' origin).

I believe that the prequel novel will cover the Engineers much further than we have seen on screen and in the Alien: Covenant novelization.

This below is an excellent aspect you describe drucea:

"If they are just clones or grown to have certain traits, maybe elders from the Prometheus opening would develop perfect, "clean" individuals to seed worlds, but developed the ones with the biosuit/skin to handle the task of destroying worlds or delivering the payload of goo that would wipe the slate clean."

That is a very reasonable evaluation of what we have seen.

Why would they seed a world with a mutated Engineer and have such a ceremony? Start clean, natural specimen...then digest him with a special mutagen that dissolves his body into the environment.

Yes, the LV-223 Engineer may have missed the memo and was ready to roll forward with melting a planet beginning with the elderly human asking for more time.

 

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