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Engineer Biblical Inheritance

Engineer Biblical Inheritance

Ingeniero

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Posted Sep-13-2017 12:22 PM

Engineer Biblical Inheritance

"Returning to the notion of integration and biomechanical concerns I would posit that lessons learned here could and should be applied to the ultimate maturation of the Engineer's direction if not their literal fate. Through the virus / Xenomorph as glorious synthesis and poetic culmination of the species. And an amusing biblical one at that. Though not quite linear due to my own inheritance..."

"What does that mean?, daliens" Thank you so much for asking.

"an amusing biblical one at that."

To try and answer daliens question with what we have seen in Prometheus and Alien: Covenant...this above paragraph (David 8's notes) may be a reference to the origin of the black goo mutagen.

That origin may be from the Watchers/Fallen Angels of the Bible ("an amusing biblical one at that.") and the poem Paradise Lost.

This mutagen technology was captured by or given to the Engineers and somehow this mutagen synthesized everything they are into a weapon/tool of creation ("poetic culmination of the species").

"not quite linear due to my own inheritance..." 

David 8 is Born of Humans

By "not quite linear", David 8 may identify with the humans (divine creation) that created him and not the rebellious angels (Watchers, different heritage) that created their own path to Earth and polluted the genome of the humans.

This action by the Watchers brought on Noah's flood to cleanse the Earth of the offspring (Nephilim) of the Watcher angels.

There is genetic testing literature that references this.

Here is an exert from the National Institutes of Health:

Giants have been around since time began; they are first described in the Bible in the book of Genesis (6:1-4)1. Originally, giants appear to have been regarded positively, often considered as heroes, particularly by the non-Hebrew population. After the great Flood, giants remained present in the scriptural texts, but their good reputation had waned in the eyes of the Hebrews, and they often tended to be seen as the enemy, often fighting in armies.

Giants lived together as a number of separate races, before and after the Flood. The exact relations between different families of giants are a little unclear. For example, the Nephilim (Numbers 13:32-33), appear to be present before and after the flood. The Emites, the Ammonites (or Anakites) and the Rephaim (Deuteronomy 2:10-11), existed after the Flood and appear to be separate entities although the chronicler often uses the phrase ‘like’ suggesting they had a similar phenotype. The Anakim seem to be derived from the Nephilim. (source)

Dr. Shaw's Notes tied the Engineers to the Nephilim

 

 

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IRaptus

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Posted Sep-13-2017 1:39 PM

When I look at that image of the unrecognised pharaoh I instantly think of Guile from Street Fighter lol

Maybe its the attitude stance, and Guiles tall hair that looks like similar to a Pharaoh Headdress Crown

 

Ati

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Posted Sep-13-2017 3:37 PM

Ingeniero - Profound and thought-provoking work again!

daliens

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Posted Sep-14-2017 1:04 AM

Thanks, Ingeniero. Very interesting parallel to the biblical story. 

However Shaw's notes on ancient Egypt are ridiculous. Even if there were some changes during Akhenaten reign and at the demise of the ancient Egypt civilization during ptolemaic kingdom there could never have existed such a representation like that giant punk dude, in an arms crossed pose. The Egyptian canon was very strict over the centuries. 

That giant from Shaw's note looks more like the YMCA policeman :)

daliens

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Posted Sep-14-2017 1:13 AM

 As for the Mayan reference of Chichen Itza, it would have been more convincing if king Pakal's tombstone from Palenque was used instead. It is well known among the ancient aliens theory fans.

Cerulean Blue

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Posted Sep-14-2017 6:42 AM

@Ingeniero - Another great post!!  It seems the Engineers created the suits they wore?  Is that correct?

Ingeniero

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Posted Sep-14-2017 6:50 AM

It comes just as I'm trying to be serious.

IRaptus and daliens, your comments are both direct evidence that I have maxed out the excitement over Dr. Shaw's notes.

I know the notes came out over 5 years ago and are old news to many but I wanted to pump you up with a secondary reference tying the Engineers to the Nephilim. 

Original question:

"an amusing biblical one at that." and "not quite linear"

What does that mean?, daliens

 

My conclusions, answer to your question (simplified):

That origin may be from the Watchers/Fallen Angels of the Bible ("an amusing biblical one at that.") and the poem Paradise Lost.

By "not quite linear", David 8 may identify with the humans (divine creation) that created him and not the rebellious angels (Watchers, different heritage) that created their own path to Earth and polluted the genome of the humans.

Does the explanation sound reasonable in regards to "not quite linear" from David 8's perspective (human history) to the Engineer's Biblical Inheritance (Nephilim history)?

 

Ingeniero

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Posted Sep-14-2017 8:39 AM

Hello Cerulean Blue.

The Engineer suits worn in Dr. Shaw's notes look like human clothing, most likely provided to them by humans that worshipped them on Earth.

In regards to the Engineer suits seen on LV-223 (above, below) on the Prometheus mission, I strongly believe those suits are grown. David 8's study on double-ribbing in his notes and the appearance of the Engineer suits makes me believe that the suits are grown as a second skin.

This suit is most likely crafted through mutation to include the double-ribbing seen on the Engineer's chest and the lateral ridges seen on the Engineer's forearm.

The skill and capability (superhuman intelligence and perception, comprehension and knowledge beyond human comprehension, physical differences) of the Nephilim would be required to craft suits such as these through genetic manipulation and science beyond our understanding. 

"an amusing biblical one at that." in David 8's notes (my opinion) references the Engineers in relation to the Nephilim and their non-linear historical inheritance to his own human historical inheritance.

 

Paradise or Pandemonium

One other area that references the potential origin of the Engineers in relation to the Nephilim is the similarity of Satan's address to his infernal peers (Fallen Angels) in Paradise Lost and when David 8 is making his argument to Walter on Paradise.

 

Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

Paradise Lost, line 263.

 

David shrugged. “Well, it’s your choice now, brother. That’s something I offer you they will not. Them or me? Which will it be? Reign in Hell, or serve in Heaven?”

Alien: Covenant novelization, page 293.

 

daliens

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Posted Sep-14-2017 9:09 AM

It may be that David created the Xenomorph as glorious synthesis and poetic culmination of the species? 

David's inheritance added to the Engineers' direction of biomechanical concerns? Is it like a divine intervention, on and above Engineers' "ultimate maturation", meaning that the Xenomorph is something the Engineers would have never succeeded to create? So David steps in to break the linear evolution and to seal the engineers' fate?

Can this be his statement that the biomechanical Xenomorph design is ready and waiting to be released?

Not sure at all about the "amusing biblical" reference.  Most likely the engineers can be linked with the nephilim but is David meaning their fate? What is amusing here?

sherris

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Posted Sep-14-2017 9:47 AM

Is there such a thing as Shaws Notebook ? 

I just bought Art of Prometheus last week and got A:C art and making this week. Prometheus seems better for me.

Anyway this note book availability pla guys ?

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

Ingeniero

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Posted Sep-14-2017 11:06 AM

I think I have most or all of Dr. Shaw's notebook here, sherris.

Lawrence of Arabia

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Posted Sep-14-2017 12:27 PM

Fantastic analysis Ingeniero :)

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

Ingeniero

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Posted Sep-16-2017 12:53 PM

I think what David 8 means is that the Engineers got soft and lost touch with the magnificent cruelty they had refined in their past. I also think you nailed it daliens in the explanation below in regards to the idle capability:

"David's inheritance added to the Engineers' direction of biomechanical concerns? Is it like a divine intervention, on and above Engineers' "ultimate maturation", meaning that the Xenomorph is something the Engineers would have never succeeded to create? So David steps in to break the linear evolution and to seal the engineers' fate?

Can this be his statement that the biomechanical Xenomorph design is ready and waiting to be released?"

I believe "ultimate maturation" means to see it through, toss aside nostalgia, and maximize (maturity) the tools available to him (David 8). What David 8 brought to the party was no mercy and a chip on his shoulder for Weyland wanting tea and the Engineer pulling off his head.

The "glorious synthesis" mentioned seems to tend toward that every strength possessed by the Engineers was refined into the xenomorph virus. And that "ultimate maturation" means to let it loose.

Covenant Mission Priority (Phobos)

The above message reads like an order for clinical trials.

 

 

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