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Collider says no more David in future Alien movies

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joylitt

MemberNeomorphJul-24-2017 7:39 PM

Steve Weintraub from Collider stated in a youtube video that was reposted by AVP Galaxy, that the plans at Fox provided Covenant was a success, were to make one last prequel tying into the original Alien and then do a sort of a soft reboot with new characters where we won't have to worry about David and other themes explored in the prequels. Do you think dropping David's would be a good thing for the Alien franchise?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR7n5NT72ak

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Lawrence of Arabia

MemberChestbursterJul-24-2017 7:52 PM

I think it would be a terrible idea but I'm sure you knew that, which is why you posted a two day old video by two guys who don't work at Fox. If the plan was for one more film, why is it stated by THR that they are 'reassessing' the two proposed films? Who are these sources? The series hasn't had a good antagonist and David fills that role well. I'm tired of the good guy winning and we've seen enough of that.

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

I.Raptus

ModeratorPraetorianJul-24-2017 8:05 PM

Lawrence of Arabia you make an interesting point

"I'm tired of the good guy winning and we've seen enough of that."

This is perhaps why Game of Thrones is so popular today. The shock and outrage over a good character not saving the day is infectious. 

Builds the suspense and antipication for when the bad character finally loses. not the good character wins. Important difference

I Moon Girl

MemberChestbursterJul-24-2017 8:09 PM

I guess with David gone, it would be easy to write something new.  It would also allow something fresh for the people who don't want to see David putting the eggs on the derelict. 

I think it's to late to remove David.  If they did, that means they can't think of anything else to do with him that would make a good movie.

Yet, Alien: Covenant was really different than Prometheus and David was a huge part of both movies.

I honestly really don't care what they do as long as the Xeno is scary as $h!t, like it should be.  The Xeno wasn't scary in Alien: Covenant and that was the first time we have seen it since Alien: Resurrection.  They were scarier in Alien: Resurrection might I add.

I also want more philosophical Engineer stuff like in Prometheus.  Not to much, but just some more.

I also want it to be different than Prometheus and Alien: Covenant.

My wants may change as time goes on though and as I re-watch Alien-Covenant.

auximenes

MemberFacehuggerJul-24-2017 8:12 PM

The next film not having David in it would be stupid; he is the main character of the prequels!

joylitt

MemberNeomorphJul-24-2017 8:18 PM

I Moon Girl  I agree with your thoughts. Totally eliminating David would be as bad as killing off Elizabeth Shaw. But he needs a better human counterpart. However, I have the impression Fox is going to do something much more drastic if they thing they cannot successfully market a movie where David is the main attraction.

Im Durp

MemberFacehuggerJul-24-2017 8:21 PM

We've 2 movies in where David is the only connecting point. Taking him out would be a horrible idea at this point, just finish up these prequels and try to work with it.

dk

MemberTrilobiteJul-24-2017 8:22 PM

I would think David's story arc is incomplete and having the bad guy win would be interesting. I would only hope David wouldn't become a caricature of himself like Freddy Kruger. 

Im Durp

MemberFacehuggerJul-24-2017 8:26 PM

He needs to win to some degree since the Xenos I guess he created now are what we find in Alien getting transported somewhere.

 

It's like watching the SW prequels, you know the bad guys will win this round and the good guys will need to recoup and come back with and win in Alien and Aliens.

joylitt

MemberNeomorphJul-24-2017 8:47 PM

They need to back out of that "David created the xenomorph" nonsense. That is a franchise killing idea.

Falconer

MemberOvomorphJul-24-2017 8:48 PM

Bring in Martin Freeman to play a young Ash..... oh wait XD

joylitt

MemberNeomorphJul-24-2017 8:56 PM

I think we are missing the point of what the guy says on the video. I am not sure how reliable his sources are, but he suggests the "soft reboot" will be a return to the roots, with less emphasis on the AI.

joylitt

MemberNeomorphJul-24-2017 9:01 PM

What is important is to remember not to send mixed messages. The reason why David was so important in Covenant is because everybody agreed on one thing: Michael Fassbender was great in Prometheus. I hope the studios understand that praising Fassbender does not mean everybody wants to see him as a protagonist.

Timmy the ultramorph

MemberChestbursterJul-24-2017 9:02 PM

david needs to be in the prequels and is a good antagonist who actually makes some good points while  bringing some philisophical questions to the table. I do think that once the prequels are done, they should have the weyland corporation an actually antagonist rather than just a driving force of evil. perhaps a cheif science executive at the corp whos ambition drives him crazy until he goes as far as to kidnap civilians and use them as xenomorphs host. I have a very similar villain in my alien isolation fan movie trilogy I am working on.

food ain't that bad! - Parker

dk

MemberTrilobiteJul-24-2017 9:19 PM

joylitt That is a good point, but I also think it would be a mistake to cut David out all together. There has to be a balance so it doesn't become all about him. Some argued that the Quadrilogy became the story of Ripley and didn't like that aspect of the movies.

joylitt

MemberNeomorphJul-24-2017 9:41 PM

@dk when are we going to see your review of the movie. Or at least your impressions. Where do you rank it among the other Alien movies, what your friends thought about it, etc

dk

MemberTrilobiteJul-24-2017 9:57 PM

I don't plan a review since it is long after the fact. I liked it as a stand alone movie, better than Prometheus but as stated elsewhere, I never felt the Quadrilogy needed a prequel. My friend who saw it liked it but only ever saw Aliens and hated Prometheus.

Capt Torgo

MemberFacehuggerJul-24-2017 11:02 PM

I love Fassbinder and appreciate what he's brought us so far. My problem is with Ridley and his speed race to pump out these films so quickly and not focusing on logical human narrative. In AC the only back and forth human conversation with no Android present is the Oram and Daniels. All the rest just seem like remarks with no real effort to emphasise the human reality/struggle to survive. The sole narrative focus seems to revolve around David and Walter. Scott just can't see the forest through the trees and shoots SO much film that what he gives us in the movie is a shell of what he intended. It's a delicate dance for sure but all human characters just seem so cliche or their narrative/experience is an afterthought. I did really like Farris as she seemed so believable sticking up for whack job husband. On earth Oram would not be allowed to manage a garbage truck route, let alone a colony ship. All the ingredients were there so I see how Fox is confused about "we were so wrong" trusting Ridley to improve the characters this time. The intention was there it just didn't shine through on the screen. Will he perceive AC's flaws and proceed one future day on a lower budget to attempt to build a more positively perceived Alien film? Will Fassbinder take a pay cut to finish out his expedition as either droid? Would love to see David munched by he and Shaw's baby, while Walter comes to rescue the space chimp colonists. Honestly, another director could bring in a new droid and new cast to finish up on Origea6 and still make a spectacular film or another dud. 

ali81

MemberNeomorphJul-24-2017 11:04 PM

david makes for a very good antagonist but too much exposure will damage his character. RS needs to spread the weight of the focus more onto the engineers and maybe a side focus on the happenings within the company, maybe a synthetic push for control which would also give more scope to the past alien films

joylitt

MemberNeomorphJul-24-2017 11:10 PM

To have an antagonist you need to have someone to antagonize with, that is the problem with Covenant, it lacks that someone.

ali81

MemberNeomorphJul-24-2017 11:18 PM

I think what RS is going for is the whole android vs humanity angle and david did best daniels remember. though she wasn't much in the way of decent competition. for some reason I never liked the character right from the prologues, whether the actor isn't strong enough or something else im not sure but I just didn't take to daniels at all

joylitt

MemberNeomorphJul-24-2017 11:30 PM

ali81 Katherine Waterston is a good actress.  If you wanna appreciate her acting chops watch "The Queen of Earth". But the script really made her into this mousy and uninteresting character unfortunately.

ali81

MemberNeomorphJul-24-2017 11:43 PM

im not saying shes not a good actress, im saying in the role she played, imo, may have not been the ideal choice. u find with a lot of actors they smash a certain role but bomb in others. look at the like of arnie (not suggesting for a moment hes in the same league as say tom hanks or di caprio etc) but he smashed the role of the terminator and dutch but in twins?? maybe exaggerating a bit to make the point but for me there was just something off with daniels from the start. I thought rapace did a decent job as shaw but shes dead so daniels was to replace shaw as lead character but no point having another character similar to shaw which, yea we got, but daniels for me couldv just been another of the crew that got taken out. Tennessee for me was the best character and I was glad he survived.

I.Raptus

ModeratorPraetorianJul-25-2017 1:46 AM

joylitt "To have an antagonist you need to have someone to antagonize with, that is the problem with Covenant, it lacks that someone"

that is a very excellent point. David is more interesting in experimenting than antagonising the crew, they are just vessels to him. The Xenomorphs also lacked the antagonist punch and were too easily dispatched. 

i liked Covenant but thought something was lacking. I think you hit the nail on the head with the lack of an antagonist

joylitt

MemberNeomorphJul-25-2017 3:30 AM

IRaptus I see what you are saying. But it is more a lack of protagonist. The dynamic of antagonist/ protagonist is disbalanced and it's all about Fasbender chewing up the scenery. I always compare David with Roy Batty and I ask this question: How good would that character and Blade Runner would have been had his part have been bigger than what it was. Sometimes too much of a good thing is no good.

ali81

MemberNeomorphJul-25-2017 3:53 AM

agree joylitt its time to spread the focus a bit off of david or they risk losing something there. time to let the engineers out the bag and let them play I believe

joylitt

MemberNeomorphJul-25-2017 4:11 AM

ali81 yes, have the engineers back would be great if they use them as a means to expand on the mythology.

Cerulean Blue

MemberFacehuggerJul-25-2017 6:23 AM

@ali81 & joylitt - Yes!  Bring in the Engineers to kill them all!!!

Kethol

MemberChestbursterJul-25-2017 7:06 AM

Collider can say what they want, but this is just more unsourced speculation based on the same unsourced THR article.There are about a dozen articles online now repeating and putting their own spin on it. Funny watching these rumors get repeated enough and becoming a "reality" on the internet.

If Fox were not behind Covenant they probably would not spent more money pushing it with the Alien: Covenant Colonist Certification Test at ComiCon.

MonsterZero

MemberXenomorphJul-25-2017 8:35 AM

I would dump him from further prequels, have him sail off with his experiments. 

Then have him in A L I E N 5

Alien:Kingdom of David

Alien:Kingdom of the Dead

Set 400 years in future.

David has set up a super colony of HYBRIDS(millions...even billions?) and this virus is starting to spread through out the galaxy. Dead colony spaceships built by David.

David is immortal and is just taking his time. No rush. Do the job right the first time.

HYBRIDS are starting to infect/invade human colonies, one by one they are falling. Slowly making it's way towards Earth.....

Engineer77

MemberOvomorphJul-25-2017 10:01 AM

No it would not be good.Fassbender has given new life to this series.

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