Waltermorph
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2017 5:21 PMI've been lurking here for some months, and have excitedly been following everyone's theories. I'll save my opinion of the movie to the end, but I have a few questions. Some of them may have very obvious answers, so bear with me here, folks.
1. There is mention of wheat when they get off the lander, but it's never referenced again. Are we supposed to gather that wheat is native to the Engineer's planet (and that's why it's on earth), or that David somehow brought it?
2. David remarks that the pathogen only effects the "meat" - the fauna - of a planet and not it's plant. So, what are we supposed to assume the spore pods are, then? Mutated animals? Their eggs/young? Dead Engineer corpses? The natural grouping/organization of the pathogen when it's allowed to sit? Obviously, they don't seem to just litter the entire grown, but I'm wondering what were are to assume they are?
3. We see all of the David's experiments in his lab, and while they all have different shapes, they have the distinctive neomorph heads. Is this a sign that he's simply been experimenting with samples of each previous creation? I'm just wondering if he has to test the pathogen on living creatures, or if he can extract tissue from experiments he's destroyed to creat living creatures.
4. The neomorph seems both super aggressive/brutal and strong (takes out the jaw of a crewmember with the swipe of its tail, right?), yet physically it seems so soft/spungy as to be mostly impervious to death from powerful blows from a gun or a hand. Just so I'm clear because the action was pretty chaotic in the field scene, but does Walter lose his hand punching through the neomorph's head seemingly to little effect on the neomorph? If so, how does Oram end up killing the one by shooting it later? Also, not that it matters, but do when know if the neomorph we see at the temple is the first one birthed out of Leward or the second one?
5. So, David made the eggs, but what did he make them from? Is the theory that they originally come from a mutated egg, or that he somehow re-engineered the spore pods, or are we just to assume he figure out how to make an egg with a facehugger in it? This is really my biggest question.
6. The crew keeps alluding to the fact that it seems that it's suspicious that they've found such a perfect planet, even better than their original destination, and it continues when they land on the planet with the wheat. I'm wondering if I'm supposed to be reading that as suspicion, which kind of hints at David making the planet even more habital (superficially, anyway. lol) than it had already been, or that they are just so surprised by their good luck? Are we supposed to assume that it's coincidence and dumb-luck that they are so close to Paradise, or assume that it's like the first movie where they were essentially put in harm's way, that they were baited by whomever sent them on earth?
I'll probably have more questions as I digest more of this. As for the movie as a whole? I think I spoiled myself on the run-up reading the forums. It's not rare that fans think up more for the movie than the creator and writers themselves, but I was surprised just how little the creator and writers felt fit to answer.
The characters weren't well developed - even though the whole first part of movie was exposition - so I felt barely any emotional connections to any of them. Literally the only one I kind of cringed at when they died was Karine. Seeing someone trapped like that will do that to me, but as for Karine herself as a character? Meh. Same with Daniels and Tennessee. Like, "yay!" they got the alien out of the ship, but I just didn't care.
As for the plot, I'm so disappointed that Scott decided this is some kind of battle between David and Walter. It takes some much of the mystery and lore out. It seems as if he thought Prometheus was a mistake, and tried as hard as he could to cut any reference out save for basic plot points to get us to the planet. I don't even think the word "Engineers" was once uttered in the movie. They are like an afterthought despite being responsible for us and the whole arc of the series. I REALLY hope they get reintroduced and done justice in the next movie.
Back on David, I get his basic motivation, which is that his idleness has allowed him the space and time to learn to despise humanity. And, I also get that he wants to create. I don't get, however, how even those two things combined leads to him to nonchalantly deciding he needed to commit genocide of the Engineers to accomplish his work, especially earlier in the story when he probably hadn't totally gone mad (as much as a robot can go mad). He could have easily created aboard the ship.
Finally, the pacing of the movie was also weirdly disjointed. The whole last act with the alien on the ship could have been cut and they could have used that time to fill in the backstory more. That last act felt like total fan service to the final act first two movies. It served absolutely no plot purpose. I was also disappointed not to see the clip we saw on here of the flashback to Shaw.
Still a fan of the series, but I'm not sure this film knew what it wanted to be. You take out all of the high-thinking concepts from Prometheus means that there is not much to work with. Alien worked because it was a suspense thriller/horror movie; it wasn't there to answer questions. Covenant tried to do both, but shor-shrifted both of them.
Waltermorph
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2017 5:37 PM**I just posted a huge post, and I don't see anything. What gives? I saved most of it, thankfully, but why didn't it post?**
Waltermorph
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2017 5:55 PMTo be clear, what's "awhile?" Are we talking a few minutes, days...? I could add what I typed in my first reply if that would help.
joylitt
MemberNeomorphMay-23-2017 5:58 PMwell, I think up to 24 hrs unfortunately. Why don't you advance some of your questions :-)
Waltermorph
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2017 6:18 PMEDIT: Original post showed up with the original questions.
joylitt
MemberNeomorphMay-23-2017 8:30 PM1) I would assume the wheat is a local crop from the dead inhabitants of the planet. Since they or their close relatives visited planet Earth in the past, this might be an indication that they introduced wheat to humans. Wheat is closely related to mankind evolution.
2) Coincidence/lazy writing.
3) This is very vague. Maybe local animals were used before they perished. I don't think he used samples because its is obvious David is looking for "Flesh" to continue with his experiments. That is why he is so interested asking Oram how many colonists are on the Covenant.
4- The main feature of the neomorph is the grotesquely expanding mouth with jagged teeth. A shark is also soft in the outside, but it can dismember you with no problems.
5- The eggs probably come from Shaw's reproductive organs.
Waltermorph
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2017 8:58 PMThanks for all of this. I can see my full original post, now, and this was actually the second question, and the one that seems really important to me:
- David remarks that the pathogen only effects the "meat" - the fauna - of a planet and not it's plant. So, what are we supposed to assume the spore pods are, then? Mutated animals? Their eggs/young? Dead Engineer corpses? The natural grouping/organization of the pathogen when it's allowed to sit? Obviously, they don't seem to just litter the entire grown, but I'm wondering what were are to assume they are?
BTW, talking about the physical make-up of the neomorph, I was really just wondering one one hand how it seems Walter's hand goes through its head without seeming to injure it, yet early on it was capable of being kicked across a room, and it's eventually killed by bullets. I guess I'm just wondering about the physiology of the thing, whether it has a lot of soft padding with a harder core/skeleton that makes it really pliable.
Did I see the scene wrong and the neomorph bit Walter's hand off? That may be what's confusing me. The monster scenes were often so fast - which I think they did purposefully because you wander too long on CGI and it looks fake - that I missed a lot of the details in the action scenes. For instance, until I came here, I wasn't sure if the second neomorph had been killed in the field.
joylitt
MemberNeomorphMay-23-2017 9:55 PMEver since Prometheus, the writers are recycling ideas from old scripts. A draft by William Gibson (author of Neuromacer) for Alien 3 included the idea on the spores. I am not sure if the present writers really care to explain too much. I guess its either fungi acting as carriers for the pathogen or mutated animal life. I guess the parasitic aspect of some insects reproductive cycle interests David because of its cruelty.