rozns
MemberOvomorphApr-30-2017 12:15 PMHi all.
It's been a long time since i posted here.
I have a theory that in some way or another Shaw has mutated into an alien.
David, might not side with that race or another. He simply does this because the only one he really ever cared for becomes an alien, and for some sickening logic, wants to turn everyone(engineers,humans or any other race for that matter) into aliens like establishing a "family" for mother Shaw.
What do you guys think?
Babylonxeno
MemberFacehuggerApr-30-2017 1:09 PMI think its quite possible, maybe shaw is the first human he truly cares about and if something happens to her, maybe he flips. What a lot of people are forgetting is that David exposed shaw to the goo by poisoning holloway, how can he care about her if he did that to her?
Raido
MemberFacehuggerApr-30-2017 1:17 PMI have a feeling his actions are those of an anti-villain; his cause is noble (to save Shaw, the only being who has ever shown him kindness) but his methods are evil (bombing the Paradise inhabitants, bringing Oram to the eggs to be facehugged and thus unleashing a xeno on the humans). I've discussed my thinking on the subject before.
I like your idea that David is creating a "family" for mutant-mother-Shaw (and presumably also for himself, as he would probably see himself as their "father," thus making Shaw his "mate," in a creepy sort of way). Your idea has the potential to be fantastically disturbing if it does turn out to be the case--and that's a good thing!
QueenElizabethShaw
MemberChestbursterApr-30-2017 1:25 PMYour theory is possible. Though from what has been shared, it would appear Ridley is going more with something along the lines of what happened to David in Spaiht's script for Prometheus.
In it David transcended his programming by studying the engineers. He had an epiphany about the evil of humanity and he then began processing in trinary (as opposed to binary).
The Crossing prologue seems to set up David to once again have a chance to have this happen. The setup here is even better than what was presented in Spaiht's script (where David only spent a few days studying the engineers before he had this shift.) Here David will have potentially several months to several years alone to learn about the engineers and transcend his programming.
Then we have the clip of David that was played at the Comicon event where he is heard saying "Humanity is a dying species attempting to resurrect itself through colonizing other planets, but I won't let them. They deserve to die."
The guests who shared this stated that David's intention is to create a perfect weapon to infest all habitable planets so that humanity will not be able to inhabit any of them.
Unless these people from Comicon are plants intended to misdirect the rest of us, it seems more than likely that while Shaw was in cryo, David "awakens" from his programming and no longer has any kind of fondness for her. It is very likely we are going to find that David murdered Shaw, as once he experiences this "Awakening" he is no longer that David we had become familiar with. He is something entirely different.
In Spaiht's script, David literally took Shaw, dragged her to an egg, picked up the facehugger by it's tail and dangled it in front of Shaw while teasing her with some dark speech before releasing it and letting it have her intentionally.
It is likely that through learning about the engineers, David snapped. Ridley said in a recent interview, David has effectively gone mad. While he probably won't turn a facehugger loose on Shaw, he probably did kill her.
Now back to your point. If this is the case, does David then regret his actions and attempt resurrect Shaw with the black goo and as you said, create a family for her? I could definitely see this happening.
Raido
MemberFacehuggerApr-30-2017 1:32 PMBabylonxeno, I don't think he knew what would happen to Shaw, nor do I think he wanted her harmed. David was following his programming--OBEY PETER WEYLAND THY CREATOR. (This is why he notes he'll be free when Weyland is gone, and why he implies he wants his "parent" dead--with Weyland gone, he'll presumably be free to act as he so chooses).
Weyland ordered David to "try harder." Holloway said he'd do "anything and everything" to get his answers. Poink! Black goo cocktail! Holloway will get his answers (and conveniently out of David's way), and David will have done what he can to carry out his Creator's orders.
Also, I don't think David wanted to harm Shaw; her infection was just an unfortunate consequence of Holloway's poisoning. If he wanted to harm her, he would have likewise poisoned her directly as he had Holloway. Also, he could have just dosed her heavily with a sedative and gone back to attending Weyland, leaving Shaw behind and allowing the trilobite to fully gestate. Instead, he just gives her enough to knock her out temporarily, and alerts some of the crew to her medical status. Keeping Shaw in cryo would presumably also keep the trilobite fetus in stasis, and thus she'd be able to be saved upon returning to Earth. Remember, the medpod is calibrated for men--it's there for Weyland's use--and an emergency c-section isn't programmed into the machine. It's really just dumb luck that the "foreign body removal" procedure works and saves her.
joylitt
MemberNeomorphApr-30-2017 6:08 PMRaido It makes no sense trying to downplay David's nefarious intentions towards Shaw in Prometheus. If he is able to learn the language and science of the engineers, he can for sure learn to be a great surgeon and operate Shaw himself. He just don't want to. He looks stunned when he sees her show up at Weyland's chamber. Up to that point she is just his guinea pig, and the easy way she escapes is just ridiculously bad writing, nothing else. He even pokes fun at her when he tells her "I did't you had it in you.. Sorry a poor choice of words". If he has a change of heart later on, that is a different story. I hate the fact that Shaw never gets to confront David about what he did to Holloway and I even would hate it more if the Covenant crew never gets o confront David or Walter like Ripley did in Alien. And I find it puzzling that some people seem to root for David.