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Hive Mind or Independent Intelligence?

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Myrddin365

MemberFacehuggerJan-27-2017 2:47 PM

This topic got me thinking. I want to present a premise and let's assume it's true for the sake of discussion. 

Premise: the nightmares experienced by survivors of Xeno encounters are telepathic projections from the Xenos themselves. This means they can project telepathic signals across great distances indefinitely and with very little lag time. 

So collective consciousness, hive mind, Independent agent, or what mix of the three?

 

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ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianJan-27-2017 4:02 PM

I'm going to see if i can find the script,but a synapse can be read on the avp wikia.They give a lot of insight into what Golic's role could have been.A notable example is he's the one that greets Weyland,not Mr.Aaron,so he makes it pretty far.

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ali81

MemberNeomorphJan-27-2017 4:05 PM

yea I think the hugger is just going on pure sensory traits. the comics/ books also depict a genetic memory marker in the xeno life cycle. in sea of sorrows, an empathic engineer can sense the creatures pure hatred for him as he is a descendant of ripley, who blows up several queens in the previous book

Myrddin365

MemberFacehuggerJan-27-2017 4:05 PM

@SpiteHouse I love the quantum angle! That would be pretty scary! They may just have the Engineers build spaceships and provide hosts for them through the telepathy.

The nightmares continue until the survivors submit to the Xenos.  Then the Xenos have access to another wealth of knowledge.

Keep in mind this is all a speculative, fun thought experiment. 

 

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ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianJan-27-2017 4:08 PM

EDIT 

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Myrddin365

MemberFacehuggerJan-27-2017 4:14 PM

@ninXeno426 yeah in the novel he helps the Xeno escape from the first trap. 

@ali81 I wish Fox was clearer about what is canon. They really need to go "this is the alien Bible. This is everything we want in the story." Cuz I was fascinated by that aspect of River of Pain.

@SpiteHouse I agree the the facehuggers are pure sensory, instinct driven, no collective consciousness or hive mind. 

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ali81

MemberNeomorphJan-27-2017 4:22 PM

myrddin

defo. the bit in the book when the jordens go into the drelict and what they come across fits more with what I want to see in this trilogy. plus I wanna see a xeno n engineer go at it

Myrddin365

MemberFacehuggerJan-27-2017 4:24 PM

@Ali81 I'm with ya.

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S.M

MemberXenomorphJan-27-2017 4:25 PM

I'd put more credence in a hive mind for the facehuggers since only one egg opens when Kane approaches and not all of them.

ali81

MemberNeomorphJan-27-2017 4:26 PM

sm

egg chamber scene in alien would support that as kane walks pas several eggs, but then again does he not touch the egg before it becomes active?

Myrddin365

MemberFacehuggerJan-27-2017 4:33 PM

S.M. I'd say hive mind for which eggs open, but instinct for the hugger. They all seemed to be connected to SOMETHING via the tentacle/artery things that trail out from all of them.

That would be a good topic too: what are those tentacle things coming out of the eggs? 

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ali81

MemberNeomorphJan-27-2017 4:36 PM

myrddin

u mean at the base of the egg?

S.M

MemberXenomorphJan-27-2017 4:38 PM

It does look like he touches it for it to 'activate'. Though it would lessen the threat somewhat if he could've just walked away if he hadn't touched one of them.

ali81

MemberNeomorphJan-27-2017 4:42 PM

yea I agree sm and in subsequent films/ comics/ books, the eggs open on theyr own without contact. I do think it goes off sensory instinct though. when something comes in a certain radius it senses it. though alien is the exception, I think we have to allow for ridley not expecting sequels when he made it

Myrddin365

MemberFacehuggerJan-27-2017 4:44 PM

@ali81 yeah those.

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ali81

MemberNeomorphJan-27-2017 4:47 PM

ib read on another post someone suggest theyr some form of root? the face hugger looks very much organic and maybe roots would help sustain it for long perionds, feeding off neutrients in the ground?

Myrddin365

MemberFacehuggerJan-27-2017 4:48 PM

Interesting. Never heard that, but it makes sense.

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ali81

MemberNeomorphJan-27-2017 4:50 PM

another cool theory, not sure who came up with it though

Myrddin365

MemberFacehuggerJan-27-2017 5:05 PM

So they are a hive mind that projects telepathically to communicate with each other and weaken prey. Possibly subjugate them eventually. Seems to be the consensus

I'm inclined to agree that they can't receive telepathic messages from us. They can only project the nightmares. Maybe until one of us gives in and tries to respond? Or maybe once they spend enough time or get enough hosts to crack our thought patterns? 

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ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianJan-27-2017 7:16 PM

Regarding Golic.Myrrdin that makes it into the assembly cut.

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Myrddin365

MemberFacehuggerJan-27-2017 7:28 PM

Cool. I'll have to watch that one soon. Wasn't Ripley's descendant having Xeno nightmares while he was on earth, or at least not on the planet where they were, yet.

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ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianJan-27-2017 7:32 PM

If you like Alien 3,the assembly cut is even better.About the descendant im not sure what you mean.

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Myrddin365

MemberFacehuggerJan-27-2017 8:09 PM

River of Pain novel.

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ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianJan-27-2017 8:25 PM

Oh.Unfortunately i haven't read that.I was talking about it with ali81 and he says they come highly recommended.

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BigDave

MemberDeaconJan-28-2017 12:32 AM

I think they would communicate with themselves via some kind of Telepathic means but i also think they would use different Pheromones and maybe sounds that Human Ears cant detect.

Maybe some of these sound-waves are produce via different kinds of movement they may make?

I am not sure about Telepathic Communication with Humans though, i guess we cant rule it out... i certainly think they like to play Mind Games with us... by intimation, but actually be able to be Telepathic to us... who knows.. if they can then i would hope they can show us this in a future movie.

Mind you David can Telepathically communicate with the Neomorphs LOL Apparently... i would much rather it that he can communicate verbally with sounds the Human Ear cant pick up.

But then who is to say this 4chan leak information is correct

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Myrddin365

MemberFacehuggerJan-28-2017 7:37 AM

A telepathic link is so invasive. That's what gives me chills. If it's true, these creatures invade every part of you. Nothing is safe. Once you come in contact with them, they keep hounding you from every possible angle of attack. Certainly adds to their reputation as a perfect organism.

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