"Eggmorphing"...can we PLEASE put that concept to death????22,334 Views112 RepliesAdd A Reply
What a load of crock. I'm tired of hearing about it. It's weak, stupid, and without merit.
If there's something I'm missing with the concept, please...enlighten me. Otherwise it is just a damn stupid escape mechanism.
"How can you fit eggmorphing in a scene...if the process takes time how would it be effective in a scene...you coudnt see the body being transformed into a egg...you would have to see it by phases..its not effective on screen! "
Of course you can show it. You see it being transformed in the directors cut.
no sarcasm here. I think its cool
@Lone - yep, everyone's ideas and enthusiasm are fantastic. That's why I'm here, and that's what's getting me so more excited (if that's at all possible!) about AC and beyond. I'm trying to constructively contribute, and take as much from others as I can.
My earlier comments really are about the disrespect - 'If Ridley does this, then he's a d*ck', 'Ridley doesn't know what he's doing, he's making it up'.
By all means, have a theory and stick with it (or let other ideas morph yours, like cognitive black goo!), but we can do without the 'if he doesn't do what I think, then he's d*ck and just trying to make money for Fox or catering to fan boys'.
And don't even get me started on canon......
IMO it seems the best way to go about it would be to show the victim wake up from being initially cocooned. Then there should be at least two scenes later in the film separated by perhaps 20 or 30 minutes where you see the xeno return to the cocooned victim to secrete more transformative fluids on him/her.
The initial scene where the process begins, you should only see back of the xenos head near the feet of the victim. Victim wakes up stunned and confused but gaining lucidity. Victim mutters "where am I?" then looks down to see the xeno and suddenly jolts with adrenaline saying something like
"oh my god. What...what are you doing? Stop. (sound of acid sizzling) STOP! AHHHHH! HELP! STOP! ARRGGGGG"
The next scene where we return to the victim we now see the base of what appears to be the bottom of an egg encasing the victim up to his/her knees. The victim is now more disoriented. We see the victim (not weeping or sobbing) crying in agony with tears and mucus running down the face. Much less lucid now the victim is still trying call for help with a shivering/trembling voice. "some--one p-p-please....(dying to a whisper) some-one...help"
Victim begins having a seizure and vomits as we pan down to see the xeno return to secreting near the upper thighs.
Final transformation scene, we finally see something like the Brett egg and the xeno approaches one last time and vomits on the victims face. The victim (who's face is now unrecognizable and covered in what looks like maggots) moves ever so slightly and lets out one last muffled moan.
This egg is now approached in one last scene by fellow humans (because someone spots an article of the victim's clothing at the base without noticing there is a big fat egg embedded in the wall. The egg opens and much more quickly than any other facehugger, a royal facehugger springs out, snaps one persons neck and turns to go for the other. Just as it's flying through the air to land on the face of the second person, the sound of repeating gunshots is heard as the would be queen is obliterated by a barrage of bullets. (Also, this shot with the facehugger flying in the air just before it's destroyed should not be in matrix style slow-mo. This must be very fast. So fast the viewer almost misses it)
That's the best I can come up with for now.
im open minded and so choked to se AC and its sequel. id go as far as to say alien is one of very few movies that, holes aside, is close to movie perfection as u can get. there r holes because fans have had 30 years to find them and because wer so caught up in it, we examined the movie more closely. the only I would ever have is if he goes with, as iv mentioned, the whole 'david did it' theory. 90% of why we want these movies is to answer the derelict scene. for me anyway. if it was in deed david and pradise IS lv426 then I don't think that scene will have the same effect. do u think u could watch that scene again after the trilogy, finding out it was david, and have the same feelings about the derelict scene again? the problem with canon is theres so much material out there dedicated to alien and no one from fox has really come out and clearly stated what is and what isn't, its down to us to debate these things but that adds to the wonder of the alien world created for us
The thing is too that you don't want Fox dictating canon. What do they know? If anyone was going to lay down the he law about canon you'd want a science fiction writer, and even then, who would be a good choice? You'd get a few dozen answers from this forum alone.
The thing about the Derelict scene is, the only really satisfying answer would have to be shown like a silent movie, or one with unknown languages and no subtitles. Like the opening scene in Prometheus, but even more surreal, otherworldly and cruel. Which Ridley is perfectly capable of.
i think Ridley has lots of ideas and you can see how he takes what he's given and makes it his own, for example again the opening scene in Prometheus is better, smarter and weirder than any of the written versions of it. But at the end of the day there are many cooks working to create the final product and the outcome may not be what you hoped. But in the hands of these particular film makers, the result will still be pretty amazing.
My response to your comment about who makes the calls on canon...
If only he was still alive and working at Ridley's side on this...
Thumbs up posters on this page ;)
@Tiago_miami_la - you regularly refer to 'fan boy movie' in your posts, but your comment above actually suggest you are a fan of James Cameron's take on the Alien concept. There is room for both JCs take and Ridley's original Alien direction. This is after all Ridley's movie, as was Prometheus, as was Alien (that started it all).
Nothing, at all, about egg-morphing equates to 'fan boy' or 'money grabbing'. You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but essentially you're saying if AC doesn't contain what you, personally, think it should, then Ridley, and many of us who disagree with you, are wrong.
I hope there's enough in AC for everyone - as long as there's no time travelling I'll be happy.
Im a fan of blomkamp take on alien yes..
And i say it,blomkamp should keep it and tackle it.
Im a fan of ridley prometheus...ridley should keep it and keep on with it leaving alien development to blomkamp
This is not being a fanboy. This is simply saying ridley wants to tell his story and disregard the masterpiece that was aliens ..disregard what cameron told and what cameron told is part of the alien nature. Blomkamp didnt disregarded what ridley told..he improved it.
I love prometheus why did he came back to xenos? Not a money grabber? He was supose to present his connection to alien on the end of the final movie! In the movie right after prometheus hes already bringing it. Why? Because his visions was sucking for most and he had to bring back the beast to sell. Alien was his film...alien isnt his.
Very easy example. You make alien movie yet you didnt thought about everything u wanted,you just made a cool movie about a derelict who was carrying cargo,it could be war or scientific etc what he said ,...after it you dont give a crap of whats going on you didnt even expanded your concept you just made a cool movie and fine.
Franchise is delivered to me. I expand your concept...make a couple movies taking ur ideas and improving them..and for 20 years i been telling people what aliens are how they work and their nature.
After 20 years you come and say i want to tell how the derelict got there..and connect the dot. Forget what the other guy said...after 20 years here i am to expand what i wanted...duck the queen..duck cameron..duck blomkamp..im gonna tell my vision we dont need a queen..we gonna have egg morphing instead and the alien is now this im gonna tell you.
Ok so now we have 2 paralel universe of alien? That connects to the derelict? That makes the xeno even more stupid. If they can eggmorph why didnt we saw it after alien...why was it in deleted scenes?
In any thread i said you are wrong if you dont agree, i said you praise a guy that doesnt even know what story he wants to tell..and the interviews are proof of it..the change of plans,scripts etc.
For me egg morohing doesnt make any sense if its like QES mentioned and i mentioned before...its a time event for the royal egg...bigger..bigger facehugger that delivers the queen. I can enumerate a lot of problems in eggmorph concept.but it was deleted correct?
Im not saying isnt cool! Its awesome but not for the xeno,not to make other xenos..for the neomorph awesome.we dont know nothing about it..tell a new story! Dont try to erase what others told for 20 years after you just because you started it.
I didnt say eggmorphing was money grabber. I say ridley is money grabbing by bringing the xeno so soon it wasnt planned and he even said was cooked.
"The thing is too that you don't want Fox dictating canon. What do they know?"
They own the IP. They dictate. That's how these things work.
Yes..they fail to realise ridley does what hes told to do.
He wanted paradise lost but fox told him,your vision sucks and you have fans pissed at you,we need a alien movie.
Pretty much what happened. His initial statment was very clear
"Yes, but it won’t be in the next one. It will be in the one after this one or maybe even a fourth film before we get back into the ‘Alien’ franchise… The whole point of it is to explain the Alien franchise and to explain the how and why of the creation of the Alien itself. I always thought of the Alien as kind of a piece of bacterial warfare. I always thought that that original ship, which I call the Croissant, was a battleship, holding these biomechanoid creatures that were all about destruction."
Question about seeing a xeno again?
"No. Absolutely not. They squeezed it dry. He (the xenomorph) did very well. (He laughs) He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!
"The beast is done. Cooked,” says Scott. “I got lucky meeting [H.R.] Giger all those years ago. It’s very hard to repeat that. I just happen to be the one who forced it through because they said it’s obscene. They didn’t want to do it, and I said, ‘I want to do it; it’s fantastic’. But after four, I think it wears out a little bit. There’s only so much snarling you can do. I think you’ve got to come back with something more interesting. And I think we’ve found the next step. I thought the Engineers were quite a good start.”
“There was always this discussion: is Alien, the character, the beast, played out or not? We’ll have them all: egg, face-hugger, chest-burster, then the big boy,”
theres at least 13 interviews showing ridley bipolar personality and showing a guy who makes up as he goes.
So this wasnt a money grabber attitude..
Prometheus ducked me badly...people erase prometheus 2 and paradise lost, we gonna go back to alien..im too old for this ****.
So for me he was coward or lazy .
He should stick with his own vision continue with prometheus story make other creatures or beings. And leave the xenos to a cool concept like blomkamp had...but nooo...i need to clean my reputation...i messed up i need to bring back the xeno and people will smile..blomkamp was the right person to do it picking of aliens foward and ridley alien backwards.
Thats what i said.in any way i connect eggmorphing to money grabbing or fanboyism.
And let me tell you ac is gonna suck for hardcore fans! Writte it down and then if you want to admit ok. Everything on ac yells action xeno terror. Like the leaks say.i wish they arent true but with ridley i dont get my hopes high.its all im saying.
When a script and vision changes this much in such short period of time then what we will get is a mess.
Define "hardcore fans".
Yeah, OK. I don't know where to start, so I guess I just won't. I appreciate your steadfast passion for James Cameron's vision (and Blomkamp's - though he's really done nothing as yet - but agree, he has some good ideas). However, 'hardcore fans' come in all shapes and sizes, and I'd suggest many are fans of more than just one aspect or one direction.
I hope AC has something for you. As a 'hardcore fan' myself, I know it will have something for me.
@S.M - I think I saw some here - http://www.scified.com/blog/alien5
The fans that want the background details and not plot holes, that want the engineer story, that want xeno origin trully explained,how was it done,where was its origin pretty much filling a bit the holes prometheus left. Who made the engineers. What are they..comfirmations etc.
A normal fan sees a4 and loves it...a hardcore fan sees a4 and "hates" it even tho its still popcorn.
Best way i can put it^^
So would you count someone like myself, who has studied the films extensively for over 30 years, discussed them online for nearly 20 years, and worked with Fox on a number of things such as Alien Day Twitter trivia competition and the Weyland Yutani Report - a "hardcore fan"?
I hope it does.i hope leaks are just bull****.
I am waiting 23 years myself since i was able to see alien as a kid to get an answer..a really good answer..and what im percieving from Ac recently is revolting because i want the story to be the best possible.and treated like so we all want that...and when i see a guy directing it treating it like something he can make up after 30years and change in 2 years and then change it again to something completly diferent and you end up with..." wtf is this ridley?" I wait 30 years for this?. Its prolly to be the biggest reveal in film history.the longest of them all.
So ye if i enjoy ac ill be the first in here praising him..till then i just cant trust this guy as i trust cameron or blomkamp
Then your definition is complete sneering exclusionary garbage.
Why? As a hardcore fan what do you want? What was a4 for you
I want to be entertained. Alien Resurrection entertained me. I find it quite under-rated amongst fans. Of course it's nowhere near as good as Alien or Aliens, but it's still a thoroughly enjoyable, if flawed, film. As was Alien3.
Liking or disliking a particular film doesn't make me or anyone else more or less of a fan.
U got it wrong. A4 is a cool film.hence popcorn. Awesome concepts that could be made much better but who am i to say it.i enjoyed it a lot.first film on cinema for me of aliens.
I mentioned in the sense that a4 as content present nothing to alien fans.nothing that i personally wanted that was answer long ago.not 30 years later.
For me a4 was more xenos..more action,more ripley,cool concept,but same shena****ns..no answers. Still no answer to the question i wanted answered...where did this beats came from...where did this eggs came from..who was the sj..after 3 movies one more came and still no answer to the most important and basic question
Its more about ripley shena****ns. I believe fans want answers not questions?..we have the questions long ago...sure inwas entertained i loved the movie as a popcorn alien fan..but not as hardcore fan i didnt.
Its like with prometheus 2 i would get more answers..more mysteries more NEW questions for future new answers...with ac...its like a4 flashback..will i be entertained hell yes? Will i get my answers on ac as i would in p2? I bet no.
As a fan ill be happy..as hardcore fan not so much.
I want questions answered.30 years is a long time.
In thst sense i say.im not American.my english gramatics are not perfect
Another way to say it.
A hardcore alien fan loves prometheus,beyond its flaws and holes.
The normal alien fan hates prometheus.it doesnt apprettiate the horizons it opened beyond the little bad things.
What fox is doing was changing p2 into ac...because the majority that raged and was pissed at prometheus wasnt a hardcore alien fan who seeks everything and learns everything about alien universe..no..was just the average alien fan who wants monsters and xenos and blood and ripleys..and they were the vast majority who criticize it..so fox wants to please the majority.
Throw p2 to the trashcan and give them ac with xeno and more blood. Again why didnt they let blomkamp do that part with his sick concept..and let p2 come to pappa.
You dont trully love alien franchise if you dont like prometheus.
Thats why im afrraid ac will be more for the casual fan.
I hope its for both as muzle said. will i be entertained if it comes like the leaks ?hell ye..but duck you ridley and fox pretty much.
Then your definition is complete sneering exclusionary garbage.
I tend to agree now S.M
Its my opinion. And im perfectly fine with it :)
Yep, we certainly know it's your opinion - and you're entitled to it. Personally, I like popcorn and hardcore - depends how I'm dressed.
Me too ill take popcorn to ac theater for sure.
If you're a hardcore Alien fan you'd eat popcorn with butter flavour.
Regular popcorn is for casual fans Tiago
Well, im not american..but i do know how to read english.
And in any comment made by me i callled this or that hardcore or normal fan i defined them based on my opinion..the normsl and a hardcore.whats the drama about?lool,if anyone is touched by me criticising ridley..that is the fanboyism. My advice is reading what people say carefully.i have the right to criticize ridley. But people have no right to put words in my keyboard :)