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How the classical xenomorph could be made

How the classical xenomorph could be made

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FacehuggerMember500 XPDec-06-2016 8:24 AM

I just wanted to share some possible theories on how the classic xenomorph gets made.

1. If Walter is a synthetic construct, he could be infected by a facehugger creating a classic xenomorph.

2. If David conducts an experiment on Shaw, then she could mutate into a creature that eventually makes the classic xenomorph.

3. If David conducts an experiment on one of the creatures, then the classic xenomorph could be the result.

Fell free to share your opinions about my theories, or make your own theories. :) 

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)

14 Responses to How the classical xenomorph could be made

Dark Nebula

XenomorphStaff1181 XPDec-06-2016 10:11 AM

Interesting post.

But I don't see how would facehugger infect Walter,because facehuggers and xenomorphs usually attack living organisms and they ignore syntethics.

But heres my theory of how I think the xenomorphs (and the classic one) were made.

(sorry If I go off topic)

1) The xenomorph species existed long ago but they were quite different,they had lack of biomechanical structure.

2)The classic xenomorphs we all love are weaponized versions of the original creatures,improved by the engineers.

3)As Wayne Haag said in an interview (its his theory) engineers stole the black goo from someone or something and tried to use it on their own.So I think that when the engineers stole the black goo they added the xenomorph DNA into it.

4)As we've seen in the film after Shaw had sex with infected Holloway, she later removed trilobite from her body which later grew and impregnated the engineer who later gave birth to deacon.This is why I think that the black goo the engineers made on LV-223 has the xeno DNA,like Damon Lindelof said that we later in the film star seeing Alien DNA.

5)As Ridley said many months ago something about the derelict from Alien and the outbreak on LV-223 that the pilot was going somewhere else but he got infected with its cargo and that something evolved within the cargo.Which I think that the xeno eggs evolved from the black goo but Im not sure if they evolved after the derelict crashed on LV-426 or before the crash.

I made my own theory of how I think the derelict crashed here on this topic.If you want to read it.

So I think that simmilar thing happened on the engineer homeworld as the description of the neomorphs says:

"These Neomorphs are a completely different breed of Alien - unlike anything we've ever seen before. These Aliens are a result of the Black Goo running rampant on this one particular planet. Over time, spore-filled pods developed on the ground and trees of the planet's surface and when disturbed - release these spores into the air. The spores enter the body through the respiratory passages and that's exactly what happens to a few of the members of the USCSS Covenant.

Once the spores are inside the body - they begin to grow a horrible parasite. The Neomorph eventually bursts through the back, not the chest, when it is mature enough."

So my theory is that the xenos existed long ago and that the engineers used the xeno DNA in the black goo which turned out way more dangerous.So David might be experimenting with the black goo,trying to recreate something that the engineers created.

BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPDec-06-2016 3:30 PM

"But I don't see how would facehugger infect Walter,because facehuggers and xenomorphs usually attack living organisms and they ignore syntethics"

Assuming Walter could be a Synthetic Construct like Elden in Fire and Stone then getting infected with a Face Hugger, or Spore or Black Goo....  would be very viable.

As far as the Neomorph leak... who knows, its possible i only dont like the flaw in how many spores would a Human inhale? the off chance of ONE?  Or many, and if many and a Spore Evolves into a Organism then why does the Host not grow multiple Organisms inside...

Unless as i said before...  A collection of Spores, say if 100 are inhaled... if a random group combines so there is enough that contact each other and combined to produce a Organism then fair enough.... it would make sense then.

I have theories on the Xeno... but i am busy and i will post them as soon as possible...

But indeed the Xeno is Ancient but it depends which kind of Xeno..

We have dont forget...

a) Black Goo in those urns that have and pass on Xeno Traits.

b) The Xenomorphs found on the Derelict.

They are linked....  but its putting them in the right order... which predates what... so

But then there are other varables that are connected too... we know the Black Goo can create Xeno type Organisms... if this predates the Xeno then it could lead to the Xeno via some Evolutionary Process and different Hosts.

So we have

c) Organisms create via the Black Goo, could predate the Xeno and lead to it..

d) Organisms created via the Black Goo that do not lead to the Xeno... but similar.

e) A Original Organism that was experimented on or Evolved to a point and was then re-weaponized into the Black Goo.

Its a case of which order is A-E in.... there is definitely A-E maybe some other variables could be added?  But  as far as which order is A-E in?

When we say Xenomorph and Origin of it... are we talking Mankind Origins and connections with Nethanderal man both of there connections to earlier Homo Erectus or even back to the very Apes that Homids Evolved from?

Or are we talking back further to when we was like Fish, or further back...

So what i mean is the Xeno in Alien and Bio-Mechanical being so ancient?  was it merely like Homo Erectus  so there is some Evolutionary path from it.. but also prior....   Or was the Xeno in Alien the Original Species..

We just cant be 100% sure... i doubt its new... i think its the result of a experiment on something else..

I think the Engineers obtained or wrongly used the Sacrificial Goo on some other Organism they came across and by accident created something that would relate to the Xeno origins.  Or a Organism was sent to them for Punishment and they survived and liked what they saw... their Punishment Result and they re-weaponized it.

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Earle2212

OvomorphMember26 XPDec-06-2016 5:04 PM

I'm writing mainly because of the honor of sharing space on this post with the estimable BigDave.

In one of the alleged "Prometheus" scripts, the Engineers were exploring a planet when they encountered an insect that impregnated one of the Engineers, who were incapable of reproduction. This miracle birth (Kinda like Christ?) led the Engineers to worship the insect (See the mural) and the Engineer (See the huge head in the temple) who died in the process of giving birth. When the Engineers could no longer harvest the blood of the insect or Engineer, they created the Black Goo. It seemed like such a good idea at the time. 

Chris

EngineerAdmin21815 XPDec-06-2016 7:15 PM

@Earle, Which version was that from do you remember? I don't recall reading that in the Alien: Engineers script. But my goodness that would make so much sense! Fascinating... 

Earle2212

OvomorphMember26 XPDec-07-2016 4:30 AM

Chris, I don't recall where I read that script, though in this version, David, during the Prometheus mission, was visiting a younger Weyland on a yacht. In other words, there was some type of time warp where David would update the youthful Weyland while the elderly Weyland was in hyper-sleep. 

Earle2212

OvomorphMember26 XPDec-07-2016 5:05 AM

That script addressed several questions:

Who are the Engineers? A race that lived for hundreds of thousands of years and lost the ability to reproduce.

How was the Alien created? The Alien was an insect discovered on another planet. The Engineers harvested the blood in hopes of reproducing. The Engineers visited numerous planets, such as the one in the opening sequence of Prometheus, to try to create life.

Why was young Guy Pearce playing old Peter Weyland? Guy appeared in several scenes as young Weyland. This allowed David to become almost a narrator where he explained the Engineer history to young Weyland and us. 

Those answers would be great in a sequel, such as Alien: Covenant.

BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPDec-08-2016 6:42 AM

@Earle  Thanks ;)

The Weyland scene was from Lindeloffs and it appears they may even had shot that scene or attempted as they did Hire out a Set for it .... Ciudad de la Luz film studio complex

The only need for FOX to had hired such a set is the Younger Weyland on a Yacht from Lindeloffs.... or the Holloway/Watts (Shaw) Underwater Obelisk scene from Alien Engineers.

But i cant find any information on if they actually shot any footage in that location/set.

As far as that draft you must then had meant Lindeloffs... i think you must have either read a different draft... read both and got parts mixed up together and saw comments on them from people like me..

There was Centipedes in both Spaights and Lindeloffs draft...  they are both in the same scene... and both scenes are very similar and not quite like in Prometheus.... there is no Hammerpede only Lindeloffs drafts describes the Centipedes as having Hammerhead Shark like Head.

I dont think none of the drafts said they worshiped this...

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPDec-08-2016 6:59 AM

However some of my discussions did touch upon a accidental or via punishment (i pondered both outcomes) that lead to something that was related to the Xenomorph that the Engineers saw as giving them a way to create life from within.. which maybe they had lost thousands of years ago.. or never had the ability at all.

So they saw this as a means they could procreate.. only in some horrific perverted way of creation... but they worshiped it and re-weaponized it...

I had many ideas about what this Accident or Punishment could be... it was a Monster or Created such.... but i pondered that this process was linked to the Xeno some way.... and in a way as explained in my post before..

A, B, C, D or E

I think this is what you meant? you may have came across a discussion on the subject... or you have read a different draft.

As the drafts i have read from Spaights and Lindeloff do not suggest or mention the Engineers lost the ability to procreate.

I do think maybe the Centipedes could have been a possible way the Xeno came to be?  I have a feeling its origin will come from something that is not very Xeno...

Ridley said they took inspiration from Crustations and Molluscoid Lifeforms for the designs of the Trillobite and even pondered the connection to the Xenomorph... he has also refereed to the Xeno having Insectoid characteristics.

And so a organism related to those could indeed lead to the Xenomorph... or its Origins... 

The Black Goo makes anything possible... well Sacrificial..

LET ME EXPLAIN...  ;)

If you have grasped the concept of Sacrificial Goo/Black Goo connection of if not.... forget that and study Spaights Scarabs then replace Scarabs with Nano-Worm/Tadpole Spermy Organisms.

Then if say Mankind brought back those Urns.... with no knowledge of what they do...  or forget that.... thats wrong... i mean if they obtained a container with the Sacrificial Goo...

And it got leaked while they opened it... in some Biologists Study...

it infected a Centipede resulted in broken down Centipedes DNA then getting into and infecting a Squid in a Tank...

The result would be some Centipede/Squid Hybrid right?

If they then realised this accident and when WOW!!!! then kind of sussed how it worked..

And they used the Sacrificial Goo on that Hybrid Centipede/Squid but then the resulting broken down Mutagen infected a Human...  You would get a Human Hybrid that contains lets say 25% Squid and 25% Centipede DNA.

The result would be something completely Alien looking...

There is no reason a similar accident could have created the Xenomorph...

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPDec-08-2016 7:23 AM

I think the Sacrificial Goo is the KEY

If you decide to eat a Prawn/Shrimp ****tail and dip it into the Cup of Sacrificial Goo instead of a Sea-Food Sauce.... then dont be surprised if you ended up looking like this.

Jump in a bath with a Geko and add some Sacrificial Goo and maybe you could end up like this ...

And so yes if Ridley used inspirations from Crustations and Molluscoid Lifeforms and a Hybrid was created.. then that Hybrid was exposed to the Sacrificial Goo and result infects a Human then something like this could occur..

If you catch my Drift?

Which is why i think Prometheus Explanation and that Goo gives such a massive potential..... but if its now combined with just the Black Goo its limited because Black Goo has Xeno traits.

Which i think makes it not the same... but a result of the Sacrificial Goo.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPDec-08-2016 7:41 AM

I know we can not show or upload those leaked images no more...

surely we can discuss them..... a bit...

I did some looking at them, but some images where just to distance and distorted but i was getting a rough picture painted.

If anyone has ever been into Warhammer Games... well the Warhammer 40K they would know there was a Alien Race that started with Genestealers which had Alien Xeno influences... and they they introduced this Alien was part of a Creation and Hierarchy of a Race Called the Tyranids... (very Alien Queen related) so Games Workshop inspired from Alien a lot.

These Tyranids had Organic Ships....

Now some elements that are very faint in those leaked photos look like some things that have been part of the Tyranid Races creations and Arsenal.... even the use for the Genestealers kind of could be similar to the Engineers Agenda well some experiments they conduct....

I could post the view things from the Tyranids that i have noticed very similar in those leaked photos... if its required and does not go against Chris wishes.... as well they are not from the leaks but are unrelated but very very similar..

And indeed could give some credit to the Spore Leak... to a degree.

Actually also the things i am on about was similar design idea i had for Spores in Caves on a Alien Book i was working on... only as far as broad plot....   as a Fanmade tease to how the Xeno could have came to be.....

Its kind of interesting that my ideas.... seem to be similar to AC Concepts ;)

it was ALIEN UNEARTHED working Title.... i posted it on here a long time ago... i had this idea while waiting for Prometheus to be finished and so when i hear about a Prequel.. i had my own ideas... which evolved after Prometheus Trailers.. and so began back bones plot to ALIEN UNEARTHED working Title.... i posted it on here a long time ago... i had this idea while waiting for Prometheus to be finished and so when i hear about a Prequel.. i had my own ideas... which evolved after Prometheus Trailers.. and so began back bones plot to  ALIEN UNEARTHED i had a few Alien Movie ideas... just in broad plot point.... that never finished as far as changing ideas to a Draft...

These included a Prequel Prometheus ish... well a movie that is set around time of Alien that explored possible origin for the Xeno or at least another related being.. Alien: Unearthed... (going to think of a similar alternative name than Unearthed).

I also working on another Story that was parallel to Alien but different and then a sequel to Alien Resurrection too.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPDec-08-2016 7:45 AM

Here i will post it again...

Ideas i had in my head... for designs... do look a bit like a few things i noticed in the AC leaked Props... so i think they had similar idea.. which i got to based of seeing the Franchise and taking in Star Beast and the Mural in that movie.. and thinking if these are where the Xeno came from... what if i explored that.

ALIEN UNEARTHED

A rough idea i had years ago about 2011-2012 but never worked on it, as i was waiting to see what Prometheus show us,  which was in basic form..

A distant Weyland Mining Facility was refining a Ore to make a new kind of Nuclear Power and there was a Accident that caused a Reactor Meltdown... they managed to Eject the Faulty Core, but it landed near by and exploded.... this caused a Earthquake, that then opened up a fissure in a near by Mountain Range that is a long dead Volcano...

We see it uncover a cavern where the Company then as the layer of Volcanic Material had moved away i.e heavy rock, they started to read a signal, they investigate and find a underground cave system.

Hanging off the Ceilings encased in a Substance that was part rock, part metal yet also another material we see like Spores..  Originally idea was like Eggs uncased within the Walls like a Beehive honeycomb this is where they would uncover Early form of Xeno Eggs.... we would see Also a dead Space Jockey (chest busted) No sign of his Ship mind...

But instead it would be like Sporelike things hanging like Gremlin Cocoons hanging off a Organic thread covered in slime.

More Recently i expanded this after Prometheus that we would then latter come across a Derelict parked and cut off from the rest of the complex... within it would be two Alive Engineers. In Cryo Stasis....  and one more Dead one outside the Ship... this one beheaded.

I had not covered much but broad strokes but the idea was that this place used to contain a Organism in Spores hanging from the Roof of the Caves (not Honeycomb like before)

Not to unsimilar to this Prometheus image...

The Spores where more a collection of such things contained within a more like cocoon thing instead..... and actually year latter the idea i had did actually look like Godzilla 2014 MOTO Spores in a way well how that looked was like the Cocoon that had a selection of Spores hanging from it.

 The idea was the Humans uncover the Space Jockey and then Spores and get infected.....

After they deal with the Parasites that contain Face Hugers but more like the Giger 3rd one...

which results in a slightly different Xeno.... who has no Queen but procreated by the Egg Morph Route... well the Victim becomes a Cocoon that then houses a number of Spores.

Anyway after dealing with these, the survivors set off with Charges to blow the place up and they blow the one part up that leads to the Area of the Ship... they find the ship and then enter it and the Engineers awaken and go on rampage and kill most of the Crew...

they then set off to chase the Crew, well one does, the Blast Charges have now unearthed the Engineers Ship so now it can make a escape...

One Engineer gets killed by a Xeno related Organism.....  and its remains is Egg Morphed,  The under cover Android then takes a Blast Charge and one of those Spores from the Cocooned Space Jockey to the Derelict... the Android is killed by the Engineer but not before the now different Face Huger is released onto Engineer, the end of the movie we see the Engineer ship take off but a blast Charge Goes off and causes his Ship to Crash back on the Moon but in the distance...

The Few survivors then see more Xeno related Face Hugers on lose and they escape and cause the Mining outpost to go into Total Meltdown.... this blast so strong that it triggers the long dead Volcano that then erupts as we end the movie... shot of the Survivors ship leaving Orbit and a Huge Volcanic Eruption..

Thats the basic synopsis i have so far.....

I was toying of mixing the idea for the other Alien movie Affliction  which was unconnected, to be connected as in maybe its the Ship at the end of Unearthed that is the vessel in Affliction

 Basically its ways to show us a new Xeno movie without seeing the exact Xeno from the Alien Franchise and its Life Cycle.

So Alien Unearthed is kind of a nod to Star Beast.  But Ambiguous as we wont know if this place that was buried after a Volcanic Eruption thousands of years ago... was a place these Engineer Stored and Collected these Organisms.... or if it was a place they obtained them...

i.e was it a place experiments was stored in, or was it the place they discovered a Ancestor to the Xeno?

If i was to flesh out a that latter idea i would have done a prequel to it, that would have been Alien Alpha showed the connection to this Storage Facility and the Xeno Eggs. and LV 223 etc.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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FacehuggerMember500 XPDec-08-2016 8:23 AM

I agree with BigDave.

I also like your ALIEN UNEARTHED story, really nice. :)

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)

BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPDec-08-2016 4:04 PM

Thanks... i will have to start it sometime lol

I was working on a Prometheus 2 draft not long after Prometheus was out on DVD.... and i was going to do a re-write of Prometheus... using Lindeloffs draft adding bit Spaights and adding some of my own stuff to gell it together in a attempt to make the Prometheus on Paper maybe everyone would have been happy with..

My Prometheus 2 ideas i had a few good ideas... but it was to be more a tease at the Prometheus Questions.... as i was stuck with how to do the whole Engineers Agenda thing justice so many theories... i nailed it down to a few.... i had. but still tricky so i abandoned it....   which is why i think they had so many re-writes with the Prometheus sequel they backed themselves into a corner and its hard to cover.

I did plan to cover Weyland Yutani, and a mission to LV-223 and there was a bit of David and Shaw and Paradise but as it was a tough thing to nail down what they find and what the Engineers Agenda would be...

I was considering only just slightly showing it.. and so it would be more about seeds to the WY Merger (nice ideas) and visit to LV-223.... and then David and Shaw a bit... with maybe Flash Backs but again the Engineer History thing was tricky i had so many ideas i could not find which one..

But the seeds to WY Merger, LV-223 and what leads to Special Order 937 were quite simple... so if i finished it it would have been a Prologue really to a 3rd movie that would cover the Engineers and then show for sure the Weyland Yutani Merger after the Yutani mission to LV-223 goes **** up.. too...

I will say my Prometheus 2 would have had Guy Pearce and Charlize Theron return.... and also Sigourney Weaver and Lance Henriksen Cameos but not quite how you think.... i.e not Bishop and not Ripley.. These are to do with Corporate Politics and Relation to Shaw (Flash Back Dream) scenes..

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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FacehuggerMember500 XPDec-09-2016 6:24 AM

I would really like that. :)

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)

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