NickelOvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 2:03 PM
@xeron..yeah man i absolutely think the war is the way to go...i agree as I've written in an earlier post on this thread...that the airborne threat is unlikely to have killed the engineers for the same reasons as you've written...but they must have been infected with something...an outbreak of face hugger type things...just because that pile if engineers have burst holes in their chests and head...i think the 3rd party your referring too are actually the side of engineers that want to protect and created 'us'...so 'they' or even 'one' of them sent in motion a plan to destroy the engineers with their own (possibly shared) bio weapon...i'd go even a little step further as the murals depict a pet type or other type alien at the feet of an engineer...but also in the cave painting too this could be the loving sacrificial engineers version of the xeno which has a different but no less scary purpose....alls fair in love and war right.
Baron XenomorphOvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 2:19 PM
Going along with my "superweapon" theory, here's what I think happened to this ship. The Engineers picked up various mammal "hosts" from Earth, including at least one human. They start to incubate the hosts with the goo, but the human unexpectedly turns out to be intelligent, and escapes. So the xeno emerges somewhere in the ship and runs amok, killing much of the crew. (Note: another possibility is that all of these were killed in one spot by whatever the Engineers were using to kill xenos -- fire, gas, etc...).
The remaining Engineers record a warning message saying "holy crap, a xeno got loose!" and "humans are dangerous, we have to destroy Earth!" Then, because only a few stayed alive, they go into stasis and wait for reinforcements.
RubirosaOvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 2:22 PM
I think that the engineers were killed by another alien race. That race is called, what we know today as the Space Jockey. I have always thought that the engineers we see in Prometheus are different from the famous Space Jockey we see in Alien. They are two races of beings. The Space Jockey race is taller and much wider at the shoulders. But the biggest difference is that the heads of the Space Jockey is really elephantine. What we see in Alien is not the Space Jockey with a helmut on. We are truly seeing his actually head. Can't you see that it's nose (trunk) runs from the nose and is attached at the chest. Thats no helmut.
donaldinksOvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 2:33 PM
Just some more thoughts to add to my earlier post:
Where are Elizabeth Shaw and David heading to now?
To find these ORIGINAL BEINGS home world.
The one they are now leaving was merely a Military base…
producing weapons of mass destruction.
One that (obviously) a “renegade conscientious objector” rebelled against…
Was that military base and their agenda against certain others of their race
an abomination? Did others, then “conspire” with “POMETHEUS” and enable what he accomplished???
Ridley Scott will explain...later.
NickelOvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 2:38 PM
@ribirosa...possible scenario my friend...but the trunk like features of the bio suit in the prometheus engineer also run into the chest...the decapitated head...has it's 'nose' broken in half ...so is that why you think it's not attached?..i agree in 'ALIEN' the SJ looks a lot bigger that the prometheus engineers so theres a plausibility....but we just don't know how relevant that is just now...especially because the bio suits are built into the pilots chair of the ship and enclose the pilot in it as they're getting ready for take off and look exactly like the SJ's we all know about....seems a long way to go to mimck something thats trying to kill you...but like the 'out of the box idea'
@Baronxenomorph...can i ask you what your baseing that theory on?
LekksOvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 2:46 PM
[i]Why were the Engineers seeking refuge in the Ampule in the first place? Where did they go? Were they eventually found in that room and dragged to where Fifield and Milburn discover their dead remains?[/i]
- Well, I think that Engeneers got out of the room (the way they got out is irrelevant), but we, neither the team of Prometheus, saw the hologram of them getting out. They probably got out eventually, but it doesn't matter how. And yes: [b]From what were they running from?[/b] Maybe the Engeneer was actually going beserk, if he wasn't then something (that they were running from)didn't bother with his body, the Engeneer's body isn't moved at all.
NickelOvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 2:48 PM
@donalddinks.... it was Shaw and holloway that chose to go to LV223 because they said that its near sun made that particular 'rock's condition more hospitable and visitable...the star constellation depicted in the film is more likely the star system the engineers come from.(or have an outpost type planet and is the closest visiting point in relation to earth)..but at no point does the cave drawing(s) specifically point to LV223....i think its likely that in the engineers star system they indeed inhabit one of those planets...which wouldn't be supportive to our life system...considering LV426 is a neighbour of LV223 its not out of the way to think that the engineers come from that system and keep their military base far enough away to be safe yet close enough to get to easily 'commuting' with their technological advancement like earth to pluto or uranus....same system but light light light years apart...the world is our oyster....the universe is theirs...so in summation...they 'Shaw etc) made a mistake in visiting the wrong planet in the system for answers...but the right one in terms of hospitable sustainable condition....
CamoSniperOvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 3:03 PM
Galzu, I completely agree with you. they were running from the aliens which must have been an outbreak. they must have created the humans then for some reason which we are unsure of decided that humans were bad and needed to be killed so they created the "black goo" as bioweapon of mass destruction which they produced on this other planet in case an outbreak happened, which it did. and they were unable to carry out their plan. and when the one woke up from the cryo chamber he knew that the humans were to be killed and tried to kill them to carry out his mission and the ship (which we know their were multiple of) was carrying the canisters (the bioweapons)which we saw thousands of in the ships hold to wipe out the entire human population on earth.
LumickoOvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 3:38 PM
I think the bodies are just in front of some doors ( the doors look like the ones where is the human face ) so mby the think killed them is behind the door and engineers wanted to stop it at all cost so they managed to close the doors but at the cost of their dead.
There u can see it its from the Art book i think [img]http://i.imgur.com/8GzSt.jpg[/img]
LanSoloOvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 5:54 PM
I don't think the surviving engineer is at fault. I think he's their Ripley, surviving in stasis until possible rescue. All it would have taken is one opened or broken canister to destroy all of the engineers who weren't protected from that environment. I think the last engineer just got lucky when he got in the pod.
I am reconciling myself by thinking the goal of the engineers was to populate all the planets with the goo, sacrificing one engineer and one canister per landing. They may have started with Earth, flying their one large disc ship to the virgin planet and dropping off one engineer, then leaving to observe. Then years later they check in. Then they discover we are hell bent on destroying ourselves and worshipping other creators, so they decide to annihilate us. I think they wanted to annihilate every impregnated planet's population before we stumbled upon an intergalactic link up. That would explain the wrath of the engineer who woke up 2000 years after his alarm clock went off, and was like "what are these things yelling at me in that strange language - oh what, was that Sumerian?! Humans!?!? Must kill all before they spread!!"
Either that or the engineer race recognized the human race that evolves has reached the end of their evolutionary biodiversity, approaching that of the engineers, and they decided to add a little fuel to the (promethean) fire, so to speak.
What I can't work out with that theory is why they would want to populate all the planets. I understand a central theme is creation, and the ambition to create (become, in essence, a 'god'), but on such a massive scale?
RubirosaOvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 7:10 PM
Thanks for agreeing with me @Nickell.
GratqazOvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 7:53 PM
Just wanted to contribute, I'm watching Prometheus now and just noticed a flaw in one of infidels theories, when the engineer holographs are running the last one that you said may have been infected looks back as he is running so that would seem illogical if they were running from him
Infidel753OvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 8:09 PM
Gratqaz: If so, a valid point -- I must have missed that.
CamoSniperOvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 8:16 PM
They had to have been running from the aliens. such as the ones from Alien Vs. Predator. This entire movie ties into AvP and in the very last scene we see one of the aliens are hatched from the body. there must have been an outbreak of the aliens in the facility. we already see the "black goo" can cause the aliens to be hatched in some way. the "squid" must have implanted an egg unto him.
aliennut1980OvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 8:21 PM
we know the engineers were on a mission to wipe life from earth " which was obviously one of there creations and which spawned the major question at the end why would they want to rid earth of life after they created it" so the engineers came to the installation to collect the weapons to destroy life on earth when things went wrong and another point ..just because it was a military base doesnt mean they were not experimenting with there biological weapons and improv ing them so maybe it was a military bioweapons research and storage base.....so i think when the base was contaminated all the engineers were killed and the survivors went into hyper sleep intil the contamination was gone....and maybe the base was under a type of quarinteen we dont know what time means to the engineers 2000 years could be nothing..and i would love to know what is in those other rooms
Trent137OvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 10:51 PM
I believe they were running from there own creation like capt. Said it was proable a military site with them being so hostile so odds are one of those creatures got out or maybe multiple of them where chasing the running engineers so the engineers wanted to be safe and go to the nearest place that could offer shelter also everyone is talking about the one surviving engineer killing everyone if you look close at the pile of body's there by a door so they had there back againest the wall and were trying to get in(I'm sure someone locked them out)and thats my theory
Trent137OvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 10:51 PM
I believe they were running from there own creation like capt. Said it was proable a military site with them being so hostile so odds are one of those creatures got out or maybe multiple of them where runing at the engineers they wanted to be safe and go to the nearest place that could. Could be locked also they everyone talking about the one surviving engineer killing everyone if you look close at the pile of body's there by a door so they had there back againest the wall and were trying to get in(I'm sure someone locked them out)and thats my theory
Shelby OvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 11:54 PM
Before David starts the hologram playback he finds a different type of goo on the wall than the black goo we see the restvofvtge movie. Then as stated already we see the last one look back and fall and then the door cut his head off. It does seem that an outbreak took place.. Through out the film David's character throws caution to the wind not considering the safety of those around him.
Danial92OvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2012 11:58 PM
Oh my god, this discussion also leads to shaw's thinking, why the engineers created us and want to destroy us?
Well, according to my assumption is that there are good and bad engineers in LV 223, as the temple with the humanoid head, are the "facility" that some sort of experiment was going on and those engineers were try to stop it or something. However, this reflects me to the thinking that when charlie discovered an "alien-figure" on the wall behind the humanoid head, and also a door that could lead to another passage, is this really means something, something that aliens had arrived on LV223 long time ago? even Now im confused......
OpplockOvomorphMember0 XPJun-11-2012 12:48 AM
WARNING- possible spoilers
Ok, so this is a little far out there but my prediction is that the engineer found on the derilict ship on LV-446 was not an engineer but possibly shaw. She was flying one of the ships with the help of David. As we all know senthetics have a history of betraying the protagonist in the films. My theory is David had alterear motives to helping Shaw. I believe he at some point possibly contamiats her causing her to become impregnated this time with a pure form( the xenomorph intended by the engineers). It bursts out of her chest, becomes a queen and lays the eggs in the ship. David then sends out the distress becon to be later picked up by the company. Now I know whats going to be asked where was David then when they found the ship, well the ship was rather large and they didn't explore the whole ship. Or David could of been destroyed by the Alien, we all saw how the queen reacted to Bishop in Aliens so I doubt he lived in harmony with them, or his power finally ran out and he went dead and they simply didn't find him. So what do you think, I could easily be wrong and I've might of forgot a few points but I think its a pretty good prediction.
OpplockOvomorphMember0 XPJun-11-2012 12:51 AM
also to explain the alien becoming a queen, and brace yourself its a bit nerdy but I remember that in the books and comics a normal alien grunt can convert into a queen in the absense of a queen. Remember its a so called "perfect organism" it would have ways of surving and procrating in the event something happened to the queen.
goddessonneOvomorphMember0 XPJun-11-2012 1:15 AM
@Opplock... WOW! Awesome! That gave me chills just picturing it. That would be ( to me at least) EPIC yet tragic! But it's totally doable!! :D
goddessonneOvomorphMember0 XPJun-11-2012 1:18 AM
Some very good ideas on this board. I have a few insights/questions:
1: @Lekks... (I think "Gratqaz" said this too?) If the last Engineer was infected, why..when he fell in the tunnel, did he get right back up to run? He seemed to be in full control of himself. And why did he "look behind" himself in fear as if something was right behind him? Someone else pointed out that there was a high pitch scream when David started the hologram, and that the scream sounded just like the scream the xenomorph yelled at the end of the film?
2: @zoom44... I noticed that the surviving Engineer didn't look "hostile" until David spoke to him. David said something real foul and sneaky I bet! The Engineer looked confused, but not like he was about to kick a$$. So I believe that David said something that prompted his attack. We all know that David had his own agenda regardless of his programing. He wanted Wayland dead, (among other things) and I believe that David developed a bit of a "god-complex"..so there's that mystery as well.
3: @donaldinks... I feel the same way. I'm leaning towards the Engineer at the opening of the film was peaceful. I too, noticed that the ship was TOTALLY different, and the look on the Engineer's face was one of sorrow, mixed with determination and hope. He looked very "emotional" and concerned about something. Not "arrogant" and "egotistical" like we was ready for war. But we'll see..
PrometheaDazeOvomorphMember0 XPJun-11-2012 1:50 AM
My personal theory is that the Engineers on LV-223 may have been a rogue group, possibly a cult.
If it turns out that Dr. Shaw and David get to the home world in the next film, and the Engineers are indeed a warlike people, I'll revise that theory. After all, they are humans, as established by DNA, so it's entirely possible that their culture allows for wide variations.
But therein lies the rub: they're humans, nigh-impossible to neatly categorize, driven by a whole gamut of personal motivations that range from gentle (as seen by the self-sacrificing one in the film's opening) to pathological (whoever of them developed the black goo bioweapon).
Maximus76OvomorphMember0 XPJun-11-2012 2:11 AM
Well its kind've obvious they got messed up by the Xenomorph Aliens the way just about everyone not named Ripley has. Thank god they did or our ancestors would have ended up poping stuff out of their chest as our DNA line ended.
Maximus76OvomorphMember0 XPJun-11-2012 2:17 AM
You know what would be really messed up. Is when Shaw gets to the Engineer homeworld she finds out that the group coming to Earth where a rogue "Corporation" that was secretly using us to develope new combat designs, and stuff the way Weyland Corporation has been in this Universe lol
Binu UdOvomorphMember0 XPJun-11-2012 4:53 AM
Guys, the bowling pings like holder, that contains the black goo is actually an urn, that contains the ashes (here, liquidated DNA ) of the dead engineers. Thats why there are so many urns in the room with the head, and at the entrance of the engineers space craft.
Just like, we take the ashes of our dead ones and scatter it across rivers, these guys liquidate the dead ones, or the engineers who want to die, in to black goo, store it in the bowling pin like sealed containers), and distribute across space to create life.
The liquidation process is done by nano robots, thats break down their bodies, without water, into a super concentrated liquid called the black goo.
NiceYoungFriendlyManOvomorphMember0 XPJun-11-2012 5:10 AM
Look, I've seen that you read a lot into this difference between the old design of the Space Jockey from 1979, and the ones in the new films. Matter of fact is simply that the bulk and body type of the old design for the Space Jockey wouldn't have worked so well with their new creative idea that the Space Jockey was actually some kind of ancient humanoid. The difference you see between the look of the Space Jockey in the Chair in Alien, and the Engineer at the end of Prometheus when the derelict takes off, is pure and blatant fault in continuity, most likely considered a tough but necessary decision by Ridley Scott and the others. I'm sorry to say, but they were just messy on this specific subject, the different looking engineer at the end of Prometheus, THIS is what you have to believe is the same creature in the same type of chair as in Alien. It is an obvious reference. People next to me in the cinema went 'Oh, right.' Because they recognized that image, even though it wasn't exactly the same. This was the exact intention of the creators of the film, to reference that scene in Alien.
GosseriesOvomorphMember0 XPJun-11-2012 6:06 AM
in Alien 1979, one see the Space Jockey, surely an engineer, also a maker of the bio combat machine, killed by his invention.
in our Prometheus, we see the same: at the end all engineers, also the one waked up by David, killed by their dangerous creation.
only David and Shaw survives.
I am making an idea concerning David: I think he want also to get rid of his creators. A bit like Hal in 2001 A Space Odyssey. He want to get rid off his creators to become free. In other words, the tool want to get on a higher level.
So he opens the ampule room prematurely.
He also manipulate the engineer to become a man killer.
But he is severly injuried ( also decapitated.. is there a relation with the decapitation of the last engineer running in the ampule room?) and he needs help from a human ( Shaw, the survivor) to go further.
DrekinusOvomorphMember0 XPJun-11-2012 6:27 AM
Very perceptive idea. The thought never came to me, not even when Holloway says "It's just another tomb." I think the pile of dead bodies lead us to think the Engineers don't process their dead...