astromaxOvomorphMember0 XPApr-13-2013 11:21 AM
Don't be side tracked by the distracting details. A hive? Resin? A queen? The Scream? forget all that. This project is about Shaw and David and the opposite philosophies they represent.
astromaxOvomorphMember0 XPApr-13-2013 11:26 AM
David put Earth in the Engineer's cross hairs. He did it just like he infected Holloway and smiled about both acts. It's in the movie. We all saw Holloway's infection. I challenge everyone to find the moment when DAVID put Earth in the Engineers cross hairs, blamed the Engineers for doing it and smiled about it.
astromaxOvomorphMember0 XPApr-13-2013 11:33 AM
[size=200]Hint: Ancient Holographic session[/size]
astromaxOvomorphMember0 XPApr-13-2013 11:44 AM
About that session. How could a holographic image, or what ever kind of image it is, turn the real time holographic system on? Answer; the flute. These ancient images carry sound. When the image of the long dead Engineer reaches for the flute, he doesn't pick it up. Only an ancient image of the flute is in his hand. The system doesn't know the Engineer is only an image. It hears the correct notes on the flute and turns on as commanded.
astromaxOvomorphMember0 XPApr-13-2013 11:48 AM
So very cool !! It's what happens next that reveals David as the greatest threat to the humans. Once you see that, everything else will take on a new prospective.
astromaxOvomorphMember0 XPApr-13-2013 11:50 AM
Please, somebody find that scene. I really feel like the Lone Ranger.
jayatfreelanceOvomorphMember0 XPMay-22-2013 10:18 AM
Why didn't the Engineers make sure their team on LV223 finished their mission?
#1 They considered the Black Goo - their biological weapon of mass destruction - so dangerous & powerful that their personnel on LV223 were essentially on a semi-suicidal mission (and remembering the opening sequence of Prometheus - one can infer that their culture is not unfamiliar with individuals willingly sacrificing themselves): if successful they could return to the home planet, if not LV223 would be declared a permanent "no go".
#2 The Engineer civilization itself suffered a major catastrophe shortly after the disaster on LV223 2,000 years ago and was unable or unwilling to follow up on their efforts on LV223. This opens up different avenues for stories: one that brings in the Predators as possible conquerors of the Engineers or the Black Goo causing the ultimate demise of the Engineer civilization.
dantayOvomorphMember3 XPMay-24-2013 10:48 PM
Just wanted to follow on from infidel 753's earlier speculations about a crisis within the engineer civilization. It may be considered off canon, but in one of the third party books by Steve Perry the events leading up to the book 'Earth Hive' describes a lone engineer (helping some human survivors to fend off a xenomorph attack on an LV-esque planet, but only in order to follow the humans back to Earth) a mildly telepathic protagonist is able to partially interpret the intentions of the engineers. From what I recall, sorry I don't have the book handy anymore, she describes that the engineer feels lonely but also has a strong hatred of humanity and upon arriving at Earth is enjoying seeing it overrun with xenomorphs; it is also apparent that he has an even more intense hatred of the xenomorphs. Seeing that humanity is on the edge of extinction he leaves. Rather than deploy his heat rays on humans and xenomorphs alike.
This indicates a few things:
1) That certain engineers have lost track of Earth's location, or never cared.
2) The engineers have an intensely hateful relationship with the xenomorphs; Possibly because they have suffered civilization destroying attacks from them.
3) The engineers don't like /care about humans.
Thoughts, some with canonical backing, some 'wild speculation':
The engineers have a vast domain ("...LV223 is a small and remote outpost of something much bigger and further away") and that time being relative to space and speed, the engineers can strategize over millennia and the effects on time dilation of FTL (alien universe Einsteinian space) travel is unknown and the engineer on Earth, seeding life through his molecular disintegration at the start of Prometheus, millions of years ago was part of a much shorter timescale involving vast distances of FTL travel.
So what if the engineers were creating life on Earth to test or create their weapons? The 2000 year old mission to destroy life on Earth was not a change of heart but simply the plan; Testing the weapon on a planetary scale on an engineer based genome for use on other engineers! Or possibly to breed xenomorphs from humans, once humanity had a large enough population they would be able to transplant an army of xenomorphs based on an engineer genome without sacrificing engineers to create them.
It would also make some sense as to why the engineers were returning to Earth to leave a map to a military base and not to their home world etc. In case something went wrong (as it did) the contingency plan was for their experiment to seek out the military base and not their enemies.
Clearly something went wrong on LV223, it looks like what they were doing killed them, which I think indicates that there were pressures on the engineers beyond their control; possibly building super weapons for war on a galactic scale where time was less important than long term invasive affects (autonomous, adaptable, biological weapons with a long shelf life could be good for fighting other unknown biological entities either of or being the enemies of the engineers) but time is important enough for them to either get sloppy or suffer a biological attack themselves.
There is another possibility...When the Engineer was awoken by David his first response was to kill them all which could indicate a Steve Perry nod to malevolence or malice or to a predetermined plan. Humans could represent an engineered component of the xenomorph life cycle and LV223 could be a decommissioning base, a place to dismantle WMDs and the decision to destroy humanity was about deactivating the human/cattle component of the xenomorph weapon.
Just thoughts, probably old ones, what do you think?
astromaxOvomorphMember0 XPJul-06-2013 8:13 AM
One additional note about just how much was going on in that pyramid. The crews first visit, they exit their vehicles. There is a shot of the pyramid. The camera tilts up. We see the base with the low horizontal entrances. Half way up we see 4 side by side windows.
astromaxOvomorphMember0 XPJul-06-2013 8:30 AM
Oooops! No 4 windows. Its a grid on a crew members visor display.
astromaxOvomorphMember0 XPJul-14-2013 5:14 PM
AGAIN!!!!! Everyone has bought the idea that Engineers want to destroy earth. There is no evidence of that. Take a hint from Shaw, "We were so wrong". No one knows where that alien space craft was headed at the end of the movie. All you have is Shaw's emotion. "There won't be any home to go back to". Everybody bought that idea. Shaw sold everyone on going to LV223 and then to sacrifice Prometheus and her remaining crew. What if Shaw is "So wrong" again. More death and destruction in the name of GOD !!
astromaxOvomorphMember0 XPJul-14-2013 5:21 PM
Who told Shaw the ship was headed to earth? David and David alone. Remember, David hand a hand in earth being teed up on the engineer's console. The holo image of earth went from David's hands to the console. Did he influence the selection? And did that selection mean earth was the only choice the engineer pilot could make? Oh yeah! Let me take a little 2 year jaunt across the universe because I'm Pi**ed. There were "many other ships" on LV223. Why not rally a fleet?
astromaxOvomorphMember0 XPJul-14-2013 5:23 PM
I tell you what we learned in Prometheus, beside the fate of the crew, NOTHING !!!
BigDaveDeaconMember10115 XPJul-15-2013 9:26 AM
In a nut shell here is what we... well i learned from Prometheus.
1) These Engineers built these pyramid/temples and they was attempting to Terra Form the interior of them and their Juggernaughts also had some kind of climate control that renders the Atmosphere inside to be breathable to Humans.
They set up a Head Statue that seems to imply the Engineers hand in our creation. And they seemed to have left clues on earth to the location of the LV 223 outpost..... Invitation? Trap? or simply to show us where they created us from, with them assuming we would never be able to find them.
2) Then we have the Urns that contain Biological Agent that can be used to destroy life on Earth, well mutate it into something else... Was that the original purpose for the Substance? We just dont know.
3) Then we have the Mural that shows us what looks like the Deacon, and it also has what looks like Engineers getting face hugged by what appears to be Gigers orginal Face Huger design.
We have the other Frescos, that inc one of a Engineer and some creature that appears to be in a submissive posture that has some traits that is shared with the appearance of the Xenomorph and also the Space Jockey Suits. And finally despite not getting a good look as it was breaking apart, we have a traditional Xeno Egg opened being held by Aliens-onwards Xeno hands.
Again those 2 points offer a lot of questions we never got answers too....
All we really know regarding what happened is this.....
At some point in time they started to create or weaponize the Black Goo into Urn canisters, they may have created them from some other lifeform, or from the Goo at the start of the movie.
They may had tested this weapon at some point in time, but this testing may not had been cause of the outbreak.
The outbreak occurred after the Juggernaught had been prepared and loaded with its cargo of Urns and was to set off on a mission to Earth (i assume).
So somewhere along the lines of preparing to set off (as we see from the Ghost Engineer scene in the Orrey Room) Something somehow happened that caused the S£$" to hit the fan and thus lead to the other Ghost Engineer scene where they was all trying to escape to the Big Head Room......
Shaw hints that they suffered a infection with the Goo, and Spaights draft shows the Engineers knowing they had a outbreak all tried to kill themselves.
And we are left with just the Last Engineer who is unscathed.....
And the Spaights draft describes him as in a Hologram scene, looking panicked and rushing to get into his Cryo Pod..
We can only make our own opinions of how/why or who caused the outbreak as there is no set in stone clues...
All we are left with is, that these Engineers knew about the contents of the Urns and the Dangers and had stored this canisters with what appears to be no known effects, and loaded them onto the Juggernaut likewise.
Only for something to then had gone horribly wrong at around the point they was all set to set off to where ever these Urns was intended.
This must mean one or some of these Engineers must have accidentally or on purpose broke one of the Urns or done something to cause them to become the cause of a outbreak.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Tru3 ChaosOvomorphMember0 XPNov-21-2013 12:18 PM
There is definitely something very wrong with what happened. Nothing went according to plan and we still don't know how the outbreak happened and what exactly happened.
Part of me feels that the way the Engineers were stacked up against each other shows a sign of treachery. The Engineers are able to accept their fate as we see in the first scene of the movie. If I was locked up in a room and knew I was going to die I would have a sense of calmity in the sense I know what is going to happen. I know why and how. This is something we should accept of the Engineers, if indeed this was just and accident and the ship went to lockdown the way it should have been.
However, seeing them stacked up like that shows a couple things. Firstly, they weren't accepting their fate... even though that's something they should be ready and use to. Secondly, if the door and ship went to lockdown the way it did they would have known that there was nothing they could do... and at least the positioning of their bodies would be different and not showing desperation.
It is clear that they were confused by the doors being locked, which is further details on how the bodies were stacked upon one another. My last case is more of an assumption detailed by how the scene with the last engineer in the end wakes up. It is either my view, however I believe a lot of people see a sinister scene, even before the confrontation with the humans. There just seems something very very wrong with how he is the only survivor. Its different things like the lighting, the music, and camera angles that depict the likeness similar to the awakening of a monster. It would explain why a lot of people think these were rebel engineers.
BigDaveDeaconMember10115 XPNov-22-2013 9:46 AM
Well Spaights draft, had these Engineers all being infected including the last Engineer only getting into Cryo Stasis had stopped his infection.
The others after the Door had shut they headed to the Terra forming Part of the Temple Mound and they all jumped down that like Well to commit suicide.
Now the way the bodies are piled up could be either they was dragged there after they had died...
Or it could be they all rushed to that area in a state of panic.... there must have been something either behind that door that would save them from their fate...
So be a bit like if you was on board a ship that life support was failing due to hull breach and if you got to a certain area of the ship before door shut you would be safe but if your too late then you would die from lack of oxygen.
Or that they was running from someone infected or some other horror....
The puzzling part is how they got infected well this is thanks to lindeloff and his writing he has good ideas but then never things of every aspect of that idea and inconsistencies that would arise... he then passes them off as Ambiguity.
Looking at the Goo, how Engineers never need the suits to break for certain periods of time on LV 223, and how the Human Crews suits seem to protect them from leaking Ampules...
I can only assume that when the outbreak occurred they was not suited up and that they then all rushed to get into Space Jockey suits and then attempted to run towards certain areas of the Temple.
Only other explanation would be they was contaminated on purpose when they was maybe in Cryo Sleep? Or that if they need to drink or they have some method of taking vital nutrients to survive that their supply got contaminated.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
OdencrantzOvomorphMember49 XPMar-24-2017 12:57 PM
The Engineers on LV-223 were killed by Predators