Alien Life cycle and Original Facehugger on Mural

Where did these photos come from anyway? I didn't see them in the film, and i doubt the life cycle one came from the film since the word 'alien' can be seen at the bottom of it. Who is this Giger? (may be having a dumb moment.)

Also, that little squiggle under the belly of the Xeno, could that perhaps be a sperm? And the round thing a vagina? There are species here on Earth that change sexes if they need to, and I learned from my Alien vs Predator vs human that the Xenos can turn into a queen if they want to. And it seems that all the Engineers are one sex. So maybe they got Xenos by experimenting on humans, made these Xenos, the Xenos killed a few of them, things got out of hand and they went 'hey, let's go kill the humans since it was their fault,' or 'o-oh, we better kill the humans so this can't happen again'.I don't know, just a though.

@Brodo: do NOT even think of AvP---it has NO connection to anything here, other than coincidentally. It is nothing but "fan fiction". BUT, as for Queens---in the insect world, IIRC, a "Queen" is merely a bee or an ant that is "promoted" to be "the one" from all of the others by the workers. I.e., it doesn't start life any different than the rest, but grows to be a queen via extra food, special care by the workers, and status---with that, and I think a substance called "Royal Jelly", a wee little "normal" "Bug" grows to be a Queen... So one could think that is what happens with our own very Xenos...certainly interesting to think about!

No connection to AVP? Ridley Scott: The very simple question was “Who the hell was in that ship? Who is sitting in that seat?” and “Why that cargo?” and “Where was he going?” no one asked the question, so I thought “Duh.” It’s a “duh,” isn’t it? [Everyone Laughs] They’re all bright guys… Jim and David and the French guy, and I thought “Wow, duh.” And I just kind of say and thought about it for a while and I was busy, so I didn’t really do anything about it and then when they finally put it to bed in Alien vs. Predator I thought “You know what? This is a good idea here.” And I always thought Ridley said he never saw AVP... http://screenrant.com/prometheus-alien-connection-benk-176223/2/

I don't know if anyone noticed this yet but its an egg. Look at the door. Who ever made the door carved the xenomorph life cycle into it with incredible detail, however they left out one vital stage: the egg. They included several variations of face-hugger, proto-xenomorph, and a possible further xenomorph evolution. However the door doesn't depict a single egg. At least not until you zoom out. Instead of looking at what's carved on the door look at the entire door and you will see an egg. Its shape and the design on its top reflects that of the known xeno eggs seen in the first movie. Now, knowing that the mural depicts the entire life cycle from egg to full grown xenomorph, we need to question its purpose. If its a door then I believe that behind it lie the egg chambers found in the first movies which where never discovered or seen in Prometheus. However if its not a door then perhaps its a set of instructions on how to create the eggs and the xenomorphs using the black goo found in all of the urns. And if its not instructions on how to create xenomorph eggs perhaps its a warning of what happens when the black goo isn't used correctly or what happens when someone, say a space jockey, is contaminated with it. its just something I noticed that I think finally answers some questions.

@TConti Oh WOW! You're right when you look at the entire thing zoomed out it's definitely an egg.

I also like how in Giger's original painting, the Engineer who's getting facehugged is resting on an URN!

The Queen, sits on the top, above the worker in the middle. Her crown on top of her head fading into the back. RS

[IMG]http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1528/muralfh.jpg[/IMG]

Has no one noticed that in the life cycle pyramid one there is a fully grown Xeno?? No one has talked about it yet and I'm wondering why it isn't such a big deal? This Xeno looks more human in my opinion, then the Xenos from the Aliens movies. And in the mural they find, there appears to be a human face under the Xeno that looks like it's crucified, although it's probably just a coincidence as the whole thing is symmetry.

in rewatching the movie, it is as CLEAR as day...the green stone has to mean SOMETHING...we shall find out ;)

[img]http://i46.tinypic.com/42hjo.png[/img] This is what i'm talking about, sorry if you guys already found this.

I always thought the odd appearance of the space jockey (with the elongated snout) was a result of Giger possibly producing that model before the design changes from body hugger to face hugger took place. To me, it looks like a large alien with vaguely the same external layout as us with the original body hugger (with tube still down the pilot's throat) now fossilized to his or her corpse. Even though it's presented in Prometheus as part of the helmet, I still think there's a reasonable chance that was the behind the camera reason the original space jockey looked the way it did.

Folks!!! READ the link below. It was just posted. Explains practically EVERYTHING. "I WAS SO WRONG!!!!" LOL ; ) Major revelations regarding Prometheus and Alien!!!! [url=http://thewertzone.blogspot.in/2012/06/filling-blanks-tying-prometheus-to.html]http://thewertzone.blogspot.in/2012/06/filling-blanks-tying-prometheus-to.html[/url] This at least gives us a proper base-point to start further discussions.....

Maybe the Xeno are first and the goo comes from them. And maybe the Engeneers "work" for the Xeno: they used the goo to create us, then wanted to use it on us to serve as hosts for their Xeno masters. But this part went bad - and probably the Engeneers in the base were killed by the Cobraliens + by some of themselves going beserks. Now: maybe they tried to go at war against their masters in the same period and both civilisations were destroyed (that's why earth was spared and forgotten). - sorry if this sounds crazy, I have just no clue about the meaning of it all -

A proper nod back to O'Bannons original vision. Love it

There is a better version of that image on the other prometheus forum: [url=http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1895/humans-and-facehugger-in-alien-mural]Your text to link here...[/url]

@TConti: //Look at the door. Who ever made the door carved the xenomorph life cycle into it with incredible detail, however they left out one vital stage: the egg. // Eh? I think the eggs are CLEARLY visible in the life-cycle. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please.

OK, OK... I have been reading threads on here all day, and I just saw a connection that I had to register so I could share. So, someone in another post already mentioned that regular aliens could presumably become queens using royal jelly. Another linked article somewhere, as well as the mural, also suggest that either the deacon or the xeno or both existed prior to both Prometheus and Alien. Now there's a third piece I would like to contribute: The Alien life cycle demonstrates a powerful aptitude on the part of the xeno to manipulate life and DNA. Xeno lore states that a xeno will take on some cursory characteristics of whatever organism it face-hugs. So what if the oily goo is actually an extract from the naturally occurring xeno? Perhaps even the potent royal jelly? Perhaps these outposts were experimenting with the powerful transformative properties of this material, which is why it always returns to an alien-like life form, even if it's in a more derivative way?

@Jato I also thought this black goo might indeed be the Queen's royal jelly or some form of it.

This whole discussion is awesome! May I throw my hat in for a moment :) @Brodo the picture you put up is Giger's spin on the Egyptian goddess Nut who is goddess of the sky. The body of the Xeno in this picture has the Egyptian sun disc on it and the eye of Ra just below it on top of the pyramid (think back of one dollar bill). I like how they use all the mythologies and mix them in for us to figure out. They also use the winged disc as the Weyland-Yutani insignia only they have 3 triangles instead of the sun representing a trinity. Anyway, in the beginning of the movie the SJ sacrifices himself to create humanity. In Orphic theology, the Titans were burned up by Zeus (Olympian) and the ashes were used to make mankind. Now, we can assume that this is what happened in the beginning of Prometheus. The SJ disintegrated into ashes and the ashes went into the waters. So far so good. So, I actually think the eggs come later....The goo is actually Dark Matter (Venom Spiderman) a symbiotic life form that needs a host to bind with. Dark Matter is also what holds the universe together (bringer and giver of life). What the SJ is doing is using the Dark Matter to fill in the genetic sequences a'la Jurassic park. So, water(earth)+Dark matter+SJ=human (trinity to create one/neo). The same Dark Matter can be used to destroy. If the creation gets out of control disperse the dark matter to destroy them. BUT the mixing of the Dark Matter with a human female is what creates the Xenos. Even in AlienR, Gediman tells Ripley that the Queen learned human child birth sequence from her. When Shaw interrupted the sequence she created the face hugger stage instead. This is all happening after probably thousands or millions on LV-223. The SJ's laid out the sequence of events after testing their bio-weopon/Genesis device and it broke out. However, everything was on stasis when they got in their cryo tubes. The LV-426 SJ was on it's way to destroy those first humans because of this now foreseen future as seen in the ships hologram logs. The invitations were laid out because they knew the humans would attain god-like status (interstellar travel). It worked because the SJ did not succeed. Instead, it became infected and crashed on LV-426 and in turn the humans came to them and reanimated the other SJ to finish the mission. The queen burst out of the LV-426 SJ's chest and laid eggs in the lower deck where Kane finds them, which is a separate event altogether. This is a genetic sequence we are seeing and is mapped out everywhere on LV-223. The Xeno that breaks out of the SJ on LV-223 is the first stage of Xeno offspring. The story we are seeing is brand new...part of a sequel with new story/timeline sort of like TerminatorS which was a new story, a sequel, and a prequel on Kyle Reese. Whew...sorry I had to get that all out lol!

Revelation  12:7   A war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon.The Dragon and his angels fought back but he was defeated. And there was no place left for them in heaven... Revelation 12:13 And when the Dragon found he was cast to the earth he pursued the woman who gave birth to the man child... Revelation 12:17  Then the Dragon became furious with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed.... Look closely at the Xeno mural in the temple. Notice the wings.   In Alien 3 the Xeno is referred to as the Dragon. Could this be the answer to Shaws question "why do you hate us, why do you want to kill us?" Are the  original Xenos fallen Angels still jealous and furious at their Creators beloved creation man. Is this why they were sending a deadly cargo to earth 2000 years ago?Are the engineers worshipers of the beast,doing the will of their God?

Revelation  12:7   A war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon.The Dragon and his angels fought back but he was defeated. And there was no place left for them in heaven... Revelation 12:13 And when the Dragon found he was cast to the earth he pursued the woman who gave birth to the man child... Revelation 12:17  Then the Dragon became furious with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed.... Look closely at the Xeno mural in the temple. Notice the wings.   In Alien 3 the Xeno is referred to as the Dragon. Could this be the answer to Shaws question "why do you hate us, why do you want to kill us?" Are the  original Xenos fallen Angels still jealous and furious at their Creators beloved creation man. Is this why they were sending a deadly cargo to earth 2000 years ago?Are the engineers worshipers of the beast,doing the will of their God?

Okay. Given the stark similarities to Egyptian art, my immediate impression was that this was more than a Xenomorph life-cycle, but also a representation of immortality/Life after death. The facehugger seems to be applied to a willing host in a ritualistic fashion, and the mural ends with the chestburster. And while the host dies, they live on in a second life, through the xenomorph, not dissimilar to the afterlife, perhaps. The idea of a biological weapon seems so simplistic, and why revere it so highly? They could be developing lives for themselves after death, or just have a religious connection to the Xenomorphs themselves.

Thanks to Prometheus I will watch and listen to some of the Alien franchise dialogue quite differently now, since I personally see the Engineers created humans as a biological experiment that sadly ended up as a weapon clouded by conscience, remorse, delusions of morality. The Xenomorph is the cure and is basically worshipped by the Engineers, hence the amazing Murals on the ceiling and wall inside the "tomb", depicting its lifecycle and sacrifices. Ash: You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? Perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility. Lambert: You admire it. Ash: I admire its purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality. An android that sees humanity's "flaws", that renders us imperfect and doomed for self destruction. David 8's conversation with Holloway at the pool table comes back to haunt me. I need to watch Prometheus again. Its scratching me right where I itch. Ripley: You also forgot the Science Division's basic quarantine law. Ash: No, that I didn't forget. Ripley: Oh, I see, you just broke it. Hmm? Ash: Look, what would you have done with Kane, hmm? You know his only chance of survival was to get him in here. Ripley: Unfortunately, by, uh, breaking quarantine, you risk everybody's life. Ash: Maybe I should have left him outside. Maybe I've jeopardized the rest of us, but it was a risk I was willing to take. Ripley: That's a pretty big risk for a Science Officer. It's, uh, not exactly out of the manual, is it? Ash: I do take my responsibilities as seriously as you, you know. You do your job and let me do mine, yes? Burke: Look, this is an emotional moment for all of us, okay? I know that. But, let's not make snap judgments, please. This is clearly-clearly an important species we're dealing with and I don't think that you or I, or anybody, has the right to arbitrarily exterminate them. Ripley: Wrong! Vasquez: Yeah. Watch us.

To me this shows that sacrefice is a large part of the Xeno and that the Engineers worship it in some way.. The Xeno in the Mural looks to be in same postion as Christ was on the Cross, showing to me that something was sacreficed and then we also see the Engineers with Face Huggers which again shows that some of them was sacreficed to create something the Xeno... Could the Xeno in that Mural be something they started to worship and tried to recreate? Who knows.... but it does look more like the Decon Xeno at the end of Prometheus than the Traditional one.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I think this could bring more light on the murial. In the Alien Vault book, they have a page about Giger's work [i](the last picture).[/i] The caption is: "[b]Giger's extraordinary tableau of the alien life cycle, which was to be discovered within the temple, a place where the Space Jockeys sacrificed animals as alien hosts[/b]". Also, describing what RS originally planned for the SJ scene in Alien: "Pre-empting Aliens, they reveal the alien species did feature two sexes, and the Space Jockeys, the long dead temple builders, would sacrifice animals as hosts on a purpose-built plinth.... On why this version was nixed, Ridley Scott explains, 'It was a matter of pacing. It would have been an hour and a quarter before things got going.'......" It ends by saying, "Here Brett would be sacrificed to the alien, descending from the heavens, arms outstretched like a Christ figure. In space, even God can't hear you scream." It sounds a lot like RS went with his original concept for the SJ scene in Alien and turned it into Prometheus.

Great to know Daniregald. Very helpful info. Looks like RS indeed has had the story in his head starting decades ago. The extended cut really should shed more light on things.

Am I the only one to think the Deacon is posed in Christ like Cruxifiction form?

Mr. J I agree that this mural is a door. We see the hologram of the three engineers go through the main door to the temple, but never come back through. They left their comrad right where he fell. They never came back to recover his body.