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The Secrets of the Black Liquid REVEALED

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Gavin

MemberTrilobiteJun-06-2012 3:42 PM
To understand the Secrets of the the contents of the urns/ampules we first have to separate them into their component parts... [Edited 02-12-2012] [u]The Seed[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusE_screencap7.jpg[/img] A genetically engineered substance created by the Engineers, it is stored within the vials found within the urns/ampules. This thick, viscous black liquid which was consumed by the Sacrificial Engineer (the Seeding) and unwittingly by Holloway, has three underlining properties: 1. When ingested by an organism (Sacrficial Engineer/Hollway) the "Seed" combines with the cells of the organism, causing the host organism to break down at a cellular level - every cell of their body becoming a viral genetic mutagen, capable of being consumed by other organisms. 2. This viral genetic mutagen, when ingested by other organisms, adds/replaces genes of that organism with those of the host whom consumed the "Seed", imprinting the hosts DNA/Genome onto an indigenous ecosystem. This viral genetic mutagen also acts as an evolutionary accelerant, exponentially mutating organisms with the genetic template/traits from the host (LV-223 worms). 3. The evolutionary accelerant aspect of the mutagen also has the side effect of revitalizing dead/dying cells, seeming resulting in re-animation (Shaws womb/Fifield). [u]The Black Liquid[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap47.jpg[/img] The black slimy liquid stored within the urns/ampules is NOT the same substance that was stored within the vials, and contrary to my original theoryis NOT the genetic material of the Xenomorph. This substance is an inert transmission medium, that when combined with the Seed creates an oil like substance, making weaponized transmission of the Seed more effective. [u]The Urns/Ampules[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusK_screencap31.jpg[/img] The urns/ampules are medium for storing and deploying both the "Seed" and the transmission medium. When triggered/smashed the "Seed" (see above) and the transmission medium mix, creating an oil like substance, that is more viscous than the Seed, and a more effective means of transmission. [u]The Xenomorph[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap49.jpg[/img] As shown by this mural, the xenomorph is of some importance to the Engineers. Lets look at their known history regards the Xenomorph... - Thousands of years ago, an Engineer craft carrying a cargo of Xenomorph was forced to land on the moon/planetoid LV-426 when its lone pilot unwillingly became host to one of its cargo. It may be that this craft had previosly visited LV-223 and acquired a payload of the urns before deploying them onto a distant planet. Then after acquiring the eggs that would have remained after the infestation befell its fate upon its return either to LV-223 or the Engineers home world/system. - 2000 years ago, a team of Engineers stationed on LV-223 prepared to deploy a cargo of urns/ampules to Earth, when one of them inadvertantly unleashed the contents quarantining the base. As seen in the movie, the urns are the viral deployment method used to instigate a Xenomorph infestation. The urns were designed to ensure safe transport and efficient deployment of the Xenomorph. [u]The Dark Truth - Completely Rethought[/u] Taking what we have learnt about the urns/ampules, their contents and the Engineers established history with the xenomorph, and combining that with what we have seen in the Prometheus and Alien movies, leads us towards a dark, disturbing truth... [b]Phase 1 - The Seeding[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/sacrificial_engineer_prometheus2.jpg[/img] [b]The Engineers visit primordial planets supporting basic, simple life, whereupon a lone "Sacrificial Engineer" ingests the "Seed", sacrificed his life and seeding the planet with the seed and his DNA, resulting in an ecosystem entirely dominated by the Xenomorph (This is what we see at the start of the film).[/b] [b]Phase 2 - The Rebirth[/b] [b]An ecosystem dominated by the Xenomorph results in the exhausting of viable hosts. To combat this the Xenomorph at a genetic level introduced Y chromosome into its genome, giving rise to infertile males (smooth carapaced warriors), and then fertile males (Kings).[/b] [b]Upon consummating with Kings, Queens become capable of producing a second type of egg, incubating a sub-species of hosts, pale skinned humanoids - Engineers.[/b] [b]Phase 3 - The Harvest[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/david_earth.jpg[/img] [b]Systematically a percentage of these Engineers are drafted into Engineer society. Seeking a more efficient means of reproducing the Engineers weaponize the Seed, for deployment upon worlds inhabited by Engineer children, sired before the weaponization of the Seed (the method of this siring not yet seen).[/b] [b]The Xenomorph DNA, hidden with "human DNA" asserts itself and spreads across the sired planets, resulting in a Xenomorph dominated ecosystem. Once all viable hosts are exhausted, the King Xenomorph is sired and Engineers are born.[/b] [b]Phase 3 - Collection[/b] [img]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/AlienInfestedWorld.jpg[/img] [b]The Engineers collect a percentage of Xenomorph (eggs) before transporting them to a location whereby they can be used to produce more Seed (also as yet unseen).[/b] [u]Why Create Only To Destroy[/u] [b]Here's a summary of what we know so far...[/b] [b][/b] [b]- A Sacrificial Engineer sacrifices his life, seeding life upon a primordial world, using his own genetic material. To date we the fans have assumed this action, through natural selection and engineering, resulted in billions of clones/children of the Engineer to evolve, in his image - us.[/b] [b]But The consumption of the Seed by Holloway results in the creation of a Xenomorph in the form of the Deacon, therefore we must assume our initial belief to be false - meaning that the Sacrificial Engineer was not siring a planet of life that would evolve into human form, but instead cultivating a world that would be dominated by the Xenomorph.[/b] [b]- The Urns show that the urns are a means to deploy the Xenomorph amongst human races also sired by Engineers, as shown by the DNA match in the movie.[/b] [b]- The Xenomorph extrapolates genetic material from its hosts, propagating its own kind.[/b] [b]- Once all hosts are exhausted, the Xenomorphs would need a means to continue their existence, otherwise they would die, and only their eggs would remain.[/b] [b]- The Engineers return to gather the eggs.[/b] [b][/b] [b]WHY? Why would the Engineers seed a planet to create millions/billions of clones/children in their image and using their own DNA only to later wipe them out using the Xenomorph? Well I believe I may have the answer...[/b] [b][/b] [b]The Xenomorph, as we know it, is capable of eradicating an entire ecosystem of its indigenous population by using said life forms as hosts to propagate its own species. When gestating inside a host, Xenomorph embryos extrapolate genetic material and traits from their host, to add to their own genome and to adapt to the environment and ecosystem which they have been deployed into. It is this trait of the Xenomorph I believe that holds the key...[/b] [u]Genetic Material[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusO_screencap14.jpg[/img] [b]We, the human race have evolved from and continue to evolve from the Engineers genetic material. Our genetic material, our genome is almost identical to that of the Engineers. This same genetic material is extrapolated by the Xenomorph, a deadly genetic and bio-mechanical creation held in some regard by the Engineers, themselves expertics in genetic and bio-mechanical engineering.[/b] [b][/b] [b][i]To the Engineers the human race are "Maize". Once we have grown to required amount in number and in the required way, we are harvested, and the Xenomorph is the "Harvester".[/i][/b] [b][/b] [b]Our genes/DNA/Genome/genetic material is the "Maize", that is what the Engineers want/need, and the Xenomorph is the means by which to harvest our genetic material. But why?[/b]

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Daniregald

MemberOvomorphJun-13-2012 8:53 AM
Actually, I think that killing off humans with xenos has some credit (though it's not my favorite stance), since xenos don't actually have a very long life span. The Engineers wouldn't actually have to directly confront them... just wait for them to die out.

Daniregald

MemberOvomorphJun-13-2012 8:53 AM
I think that killing off humans with xenos has some credit (though it's not my favorite stance), since xenos don't have a very long life span. The Engineers wouldn't actually have to directly confront them... just wait for them to die out.

Jamesonirishwhisky

MemberOvomorphJun-13-2012 1:46 PM
The movie is based heavily on "Ancient Alien Theory". Not that I believe in it, but in the TV series "Ancient Aliens" the "experts" follow this recurring theme of a balance between good and evil in the universe. Stating that some aliens are nice and other are not so nice. IMO the black goo is neither a weapon or a beneficial technology. I think it's a metaphore for saying the technology is neither good or evil but it's use is what makes it seem as such. With the Engineer's being at least 3 billion years older, even if they were created by a superior race even to themselvs, it would be silly to think an underevloved species like ourselvs could understand their thought process or motives for their actions. As of now in the minds of the engineers we're and experiment either gone wrong and they need to decontaminate our planet. Or, we're on the brink of evolution. That evolution may not make us look like them, although it may based on the engineer using his DNA to kick start life but that planet may not be earth, but it could make us as smart. Humanity evolving to an intelligence equal to it's creators may be a very scary thought to our intergallactic "parents". A scenario so scary they will do anything to stop it. On the other hand, if that ship was to set out 2000 years ago to destroy earth, and an accident occoured, maybe they decided to scratch the whole wipe out an entire planet thing. Instead opting to do as "Ancient Alien Theory" states and intervening to point us back in the right direction. The destruction of the Engineer's base could have come at the hands of a benevolent faction of engineers with a different agenda that hopes for humanity to one day "come of age" and take our place with our "parents" among the stars. In essence the black goo is only what the user decides to do with it, and since we're relatively still stupid as a species, it treats us as it does other unintelligent lifeand turns us into monsters like it did with the worms.

Ben S

MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 1:47 AM
When are Mulder and Scully going to show up? Black goo/oil, alien ships, ancient texts, monsters... Like X-Files, Scott is digging himself a mythology hole deeper and deeper... (sounds like LOST, too). Not sure he is going to be able to get himself out (and still make sense). (p.s. Can some explain what happened in X-Files and LOST? I eventually gave up following up on the increasingly confusing and crisscrossing plots...)

centaurian_slug

MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 10:29 AM
my theory, the xeno a is naturally occurring species which is very useful for their biotech. think of spidersilk, or how we are considering using other creatures to grow replacement organs. (&Remember modern human tech is built on millions of years of algae energy stored in fossil fuel) the engineers developped a sacrificial culture around the xeno. they engineered humans as dumbed down version of themselves as xeno-hosts. they want a planet full of xenos to harvest. the oil drunk at the start is NOT the same as in the urns as the OP suggests. This is just bio-sourcecode, just like DVD's or hard-drives, could carry special purpose programs for many purposes. the snakes we see were deliberately engineered, NOT mutated worms,[b] see the "eye scene" - the oil makes those worms grow in other organisms[/b] - as a sort of chestburster/facehugger hybrid to accelerate the 'takeover' of a planet- like a larvae stuck as adult, but the xeno 'reverted' in the lifecycle we saw. it might be that they had created a dual lifecycle (as we saw..) to get some optimal mix of rapid takeover and xenos in the second gen. (some sort of statistical modeling would get the ratio right.. so they have a pacified planet to harvets.. not a swarming hive)

marcx

MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 3:43 PM
Engineers creat us without the inention of returning to wipe us out. However we disappoint them--crucify their emissary, have petty aims, do not seek to better our fellow man--etc...the then plan to wipe us out or evolve us into something else in anger...something goes wrong and ost are killed at the site of departure. I do not believe the initial plan is to seed earth with xenos--rather that is a byproduct of our dispointing our creator--analgous to the flood in Noahs time... AS for the goo -reanimating--I believe we also see that in the enigineer's decapitated head, although it is too far along to be sustained...hence the explosion

nyrangers

MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 4:36 PM
[b] Human's are tough survivors especially on planet Earth our home turf. [/b] Now we are. but 2000 years ago (which is when they were supposed to of decided to come to earth and destroy us) we were not. Maybe they realized that our technology back then would of been easily defeated by the xenos?...just a thought

Wilhelm_Scream

MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 12:21 AM
[b]Why would the Engineers want to create a world full of deadly Xeno Organisms...?[/b] Ash: "You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? a perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility. ... I admire its purity: A survivor, unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality." the Xenos are "God" the engineers are slaves sent out to seed the galaxy/universe with hosts for the "Gods" to propagate. why would a supposed superior race, the engineers, seed the earth or any other planet and wait 4 million years (give or take) to harvest a weapon? the longer a seeded species has to evolve and gain knowledge/intelligence, the better the result will be for parasitic organism.

BigDave

MemberDeaconJul-04-2012 7:06 AM
My theory is as follows... We see the stuff in the Urns mutate the DNA of who ever it comes into contact with and most may take on Xeno DNA.... (2 other Fifield concepts showed him to carry more Xeno DNA than just swollen head mutant). We never get to see the end product of Holloway but some said his infection was similar to that of the Sacrificial Engineer so maybe Holloways DNA was being broken down, just at slower rate because he consumed Orally a lot less of the substance than the Sacrificial Engineer. But we still never saw the end product so we can not see if Holloway was breaking down or if he was changing into a mutant and thus totally different to what happened with the Sacrificial Engineer. So my theory is that the Urns does not contain the same substance that the Sacrificial Engineer had taken. I believe that the Engineers either came across the Xeno or Created it, but it as a Organism/Bio Weapon that was hard to control and contain. Trying to store and contain a Cargo of Xeno Eggs is not easy. So i believe the Engineers used the same process the Sacrifice Engineer did to break his DNA down into basic Building Blocks, to then break down Xeno DNA and store the broken down Xeno Building Blocks mixed with the Black Stuff into the Urns. The reason.... as having Urns with the Building Blocks containing Xeno DNA was a much better and safer way of containing and storing the Xeno Bio-Weapon. It also meant it had a much easier way to deploy the Weapon. Ok the Urns started to Ouze the Black Liquid when the crew contaminated the room, but that was after they taken off their helmets..... This is what i think the Space Jockey suits was for, they was not made to they can breath in the atmosphere as the Engineer that left the crashed Juggernaut managed to potentially get from his ship to the lifeboat without the Space Jockey suit. I thus think the Suit is what they wear so they do not contaminate the climate in the room that stored the Urns. Maybe as the Alien Eggs had that Blue Myst Barrier that once broken activated the Eggs... Maybe the purpose of the Urns is that when a living life form breaths near them they change the air so as that it then activates the Liquid inside and thus activates the Bio Weapon. Thats just my hunch that would explain some loop holes regarding certain aspects of the movie....

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zzplural

MemberOvomorphJul-28-2012 2:04 PM
I'm not sure if anyone has yet mentioned this 'secret' of the black liquid or not... Its active ingredient is subatomic! How do I know this? Well, the opening section 'shows' the Engineer's DNA being broken down prior to its dispersal into the water. Of course, in the real world, it is not possible to see DNA like that (even with the most powerful microscope) because the individual atoms and bonds are way too small to be resolved by visible light. So it's a visual metaphor, and quite a pretty one at that. At the same time, this metaphor clearly shows black stuff creeping along the DNA strand and doing its business. Much smaller than the atoms in the DNA themselves. For the metaphor to be correct, the active ingredient would need to based on some completely unknown physics, since your regular subatomic particles like protons or neutrons would not be up to the job. But that's OK. We're dealing with alien technology here, and maybe they know a bit more about nature than we do. Did the Engineers make this liquid or did they find it as a 'gift' from their god I wonder.
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Ancient Alien

MemberOvomorphJun-16-2012 8:40 PM
After my 3rd viewing, i definitely noticed the difference every time they show the goo. It looks completely different each time. Seems there's a big deal about who affects it and how it reacts to them. That being said, Shaw sure gets in and out of the Juggernaut control room with ease after it's crash landed.

Otto

MemberOvomorphJun-17-2012 8:51 AM
@caseball... YOU get it. Thank you for using your brain...

raptor20

MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 5:32 PM
Simply I think they are a biological war weapon used for the extermination of life throughout the galaxy. They are used to elimate everything on a particualr planet so that the engineers can reseed it and terraform it to their own will (according to the comic concepts) Why? Because they believe some of their creations were inferior,or they are just pure evil and want to enact their dominion upon the galaxy! Through extermination. Also, its like the life cycle. It maintains the balance of organisms throughout the galaxy.If civilizations/races get too powerful, the xenos elimate them in order to restore balaance (according to the comics) Why in a beast like form xenomorpH:the biological weapon.) Because it looks scary and is pure intimidation. Why harvest them? a parasite is a gruesome and unexpected concept of a war weapon (i guess its like biological warfare. it offers a worser death. ) So its a livin parasitical plague.

Frantz

MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 5:36 PM
i agree on the first 3 points ( well the third im not so sure if Fifield was already dead ) The problem is that i see the Xenos as a random product totally unwanted by the engineers ,and yet the correlation between the urns and the eggs is still up in the air . We will see ....

Ruhaniya

Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 6:00 PM
I keep thinking back to Alien and our engineer there crash landed on LV-426...his fate was the same as those on the surface of LV-223. The thing about the Xenos is they are a product of a life cycle from a human that has been facehugged but is it's origins from what ever killed buddy? The ultimate question is are those eggs on the derelict part of the plan or an accident? Now is it the black goo that kill them all ??? Perhaps the engineers have enemies or even ruthless overlords. So many questions...I think it's time to put on my Fifield helmet and go into the mountains and think on nothing for awhile! and coffee and Prometheus a little bit, maybe I'll get off the houch and just let it be in peace and lots of coffee. I'm looking forward to cabin fever and playing numerous games of Canadian rulette with a plastic double barrel and one shot nozzel with water filtration ON. I would like to use some Irish whiskey too but that would probably be my very last drink. Days and days completely addicted to Aliens colonial marines blasting cybernetic bugs for humanity and GOD

Russ Dire

MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 6:16 PM
Hello, first time poster here! I think the black substance is some kind of "fire", a gift capable of both life and death. In the beginning sequence, we see an Engineer drink some kind of substance, assuming it contains, if not completely made of, the black substance. In this way, the Engineer sacrifices itself to create life on our planet, as we see the deterioration of the Engineer eventually leads to new cells/new life. However, this substance is dangerous, and if used incorrectly can create death (see Alien I-IV). The Engineers created us but for some reason seem to want to destroy us now. Why? Do they believe we are a failed experiment? Have they not perfected us enough because it is in our nature to kill each other? Are there factions as I have read in other posts, and if that's the case, which faction made us and for what purpose? All those questions aside, which I believe we'll find out whenever Prometheus 2 and beyond are released, the black liquid which has the power to create also has the power to destroy. I don't think the [i]sole[/i][b][/b] purpose is to create xenomorphs or an army to destroy things, but along the lines, this is where we find ourselves now. The how and why are to be seen... I do enjoy the fact that this movie does leave a lot of open ends as this allows room for interpretation and discussion. All the people talking about this movie, whether they liked it or not, keeps the movie relevant! I myself loved it and hope they continue to make movies like this that keep us thinking and questioning!

(1)85

MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 10:26 PM
i agree to a certain degree with the description of the black goo. If we follow the stages that each encounter with the goo produces different results when it interacts with different forms of life then when Hollaway ingested it it broke him a complex organism into primordial material. When he propagated with Shaw it accelerated the simple sperm into a squid like creature. If you look at semen in a microscope it looks much like a tadpole which resembled the creature somewhat. So in theory it could have been genetically accelerated sperm. Just a thought to explain why there was a giant squid. So a giant sperm/squid attacked and propagated with an Engineer and made a Xenomorph. I'll go with that. We have now answered all the nagging plot holes in Prometheus. Seriously though I believe this is what Ridley Scott wanted a movie that left room for many different interpretations. I remember seeing Blade Runner for the first time and thinking about the deeper message of mortality and the innate drive every man has to live and be free.

**Al**

Community ExecutiveMemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 10:49 PM
Do you think that black liquid is the same in all the containers? I saw in the movie how works, but I'm curious about if is the same substance or is diferent and specifically designed to each world.
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protodevilin

MemberOvomorphJun-19-2012 4:14 AM
I like to refer to the black goo as "Prometheus' Fire". Not just because it shares the film's title, but because of the several overt references to the ancient Greek Prometheus myth made throughout the film. Prometheus the Titan, an avatar of knowledge (in this film represented by the ship and her crew) created man from clay, and then gifted him with fire. What is fire? Chaos. A source of immense power that, if not carefully controlled, can grow and rage and destroy everything that its very own existence helped to build. I don't think the black goo was intended by the Engineers to be a bioweapon. I think it's something they created or discovered by accident, and are now attempting to harness. Prometheus' Fire is pure biological chaos which, if given the right circumstances, can spontaneously and prolifically spawn all manner of lifeforms in an extremely short period of time, as well as break them down into their simplest forms. Combined with Engineer DNA and given Earth's specific environmental conditions, Prometheus' Fire created mankind (and possibly every other organism on Earth). Combined with the DNA of two evolved adult humans, one adult Trilobyte creature, and one Engineer under uncontrolled circumstances spawned the Deacon Xenomorph. I think this goes along with the overall theme of the film, which is religion in science. Or, more succinctly, "Attempt to equal the Gods, and they shall lay their humbling wrath upon thee." Or something.

alinache81

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 12:40 AM
hi everybody, i have a theory about the SJ Someone said earlier that SJ's suit is bio mechanical, and looking at some pictures it kind of grows from him, and it looks like the body of a Xeno. What if some time after creating life on earth, they found the aliens, or maybe created them, decripted their DNA and introduced it in theirs ? the suit is then an exo-skelet. this explains their aggressiveness, and i think that because they are also clones of some sort, through xeno dna they retain all the knowledge of previous clones. it's just a thought

oilslickrick

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 4:52 AM
I have just spent last night battling with the after effects of lunch at a noodle bar. As a result I am delighted to be able to inform you all categorically, and without fear of contradiction, that the black liquid in question, is in fact black bean sauce.

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteJun-20-2012 6:01 AM
The OP has been updated with new information, enjoy.

Norad

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 12:51 PM
1. The Engineers apear to be masculine male, but asexual. They look quite similar to each other, but if you look carefully they have noticable different facial structures. 2. The original engineers who created life on Earth don't have any bio-mechanical enhancements on their bodies. The Engineers on the Moon do have radical bio-mechanical enhancements integrated in their bodies. 3. The Engineers are much more advanced than humans for they can create and destroy life on planets throughout the galaxy. 4. The Engineers probably reproduce with artificial wombs/uterus so they grow as embryos in an artificial environment. There genetic and maybe mechanical enhancements are done, defects fixed, to make them superior to basic organic born versions. They probably don't reproduce like humans at all anymore. Hence asexual in the sense that they don't waste time and energy on sex. 5. The deadly weapons which they stored on that moon are biological war-like creatures who evolve into xenomorphs. These are also deadly to the Engineers. 6. Why would they want to kill humans on Earth? They could consider their creation as a threat. Then after they wiped out the human species they could live on Earth and harvest resources. 7. So the Xenomorphs is their weapon of choice to eradicate unwanted species. 8. The Engineers are the Masters > Xenomorphs are savage beasts created by the Engineers to do their dirty work.

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteJun-20-2012 1:10 PM
@ Norad, nice theory but nothing supports it in the film The Sacrificial Engineer wouldn't wear a bio-mechanical suit, now would he... - It wouldn't disintegrate with him when he consumes the "Seed". - He was seeding life, not deploying the means to eradicate it. ...As for you artificial womb idea, I kinda like it but it reminds me too much of the farms from the Matrix films. But that wouldn't make them asexual... [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual_reproduction]Asexual Reproduction[/url] ...it would just mean they are born by artificial means.

RSAND

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 1:20 PM
caseball you wrote "I loved this film. It was Kubrickian in its intentional obscurity and invites the viewer to work it out. I've seen it three times now, and there IS more in there. Scott has hidden some stuff in plain sight, but the eye is so overwhelmed by the spectacle that on first viewing you can miss it." That's exactly as I see it. To this day, the more I watch 2001, the more I see in it. The critics that have blasted Prometheus (Forbes mag., Howard Fineman, et al) just don't get it. Period.

Prenihility

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 11:00 PM
Well, the Sumerian take on things would be solidified by this. Why? Because the Igigi (Engineers) have strayed away from THEIR own creators (Annunaki) Maybe the Annunaki were the only means of conceiving Engineers. And once the Engineers separated themselves from the Annunaki; once they ELIMINATED that possibility, they had to resort to this form of reproduction. Yes, yes,,,

TheEgg

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 12:27 AM
I'd said in a previous post that I wondered if there was a faction or pecking order between engineers, the difference in ships that they commandeered immediatedly intrigued me. Random aside, I used to play a video game called Star Control 2, in which the main antagonist aliens were of the same race and species but had different ways of perpetuating their credos. I think this in the same way when it comes to the engineers. The engineers we see at first have their own formula of black liquid. It does require a sacrifice, but in giving that life, plants seeds and lays the building blocks and groundwork for life, in its purest form, and in many forms, so that it will eventually flourish. On the other hand, the later engineers we see have their own formula, which does require a sacrifice. But it's not one of free-will, it bends the living organsism in question into a being of absolute aggression, absolute survival, the absolute height of its predatory instinct combined with accelerated pre-existing attributes. It also is a return to purity, but as Ash said, "A survivor…unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality." It simply is what it is, and strives to be nothing more than what it is. So the factions probably have the same motives in mind, it just that one wants to do it with an open hand, inviting. While the other would rather do it with a closed fist, with assailance.

Eyenot

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 7:44 AM
Nice theory. I came up with something similar but it looks like you had me beat by a good five days. My theory was more or less point for point identical except that I theorize the xenos are just ship-builders and the humans are a way for them to escape sacrificing an engineer to a hugger in order to start a queen.

Custodian

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 8:15 AM
could PARADISE be populated ONLY by females? David might 'allowed thru customs' on his 'engineered mechanism' passport. :)
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SLINKYdinkySON

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 8:20 AM
[size=50]Great hypothesis and this has led me to have a better understanding of the film. However I do disagree with one point, I think the vials do have Xeno DNA mixed with the seed and here is why: David Mixes up the vials before taking the drop out to give to Hollway. I believe Hollway ingested the Seed mixed with the Xeno DNA. In my opinion this is the only way that he could impregnate Shaw with a creature that was the first phase of the Xeno's development. I believe the black liquid that comes out of the urns is also already mixed with Xeno DNA. I believe the Urns in the tomb (or whatever you want to call it) that began to ooze, oozed because they were activated meaning the weapon had been released. I may have to watch again but I don't think the urn that David took had begun to ooze so this one may not have been yet activated. I believe the worms that evolved to the cobra looking snakes had some Xeno DNA in them. The reason I believe this because at first they look like a smaller worm (millipede or what have you) and they do not seem to be predatory in nature (at least in my opinion) they are worms. After they get exposed to the black liquid they evolve into much larger, but also predatory creatures which would tie in the predatory aspects of the Xeno, they also have acid blood similar to the Xeno. My last theory that I would add to your already great hypothesis is that I believe the weapons also have engineer DNA in them. So a seed, Engineer, Xeno mix. What leads me to believe this is the skin of the creatures we see exposed to them. The worms become reptilian like but there skin is light in coloration and smooth similar to human or engineer skin, the same thing with the creature that Shaw gives birth to, which I believe to be a face hugger that has some engineer DNA which leads to its increased size and variation from the traditional face hugger but also its skin is light in coloration and looks more engineerish to me. Also Shaw’s Egg is reanimated, but it is still an egg and could have been used to replace the traditional egg that facehuggers are born from and a mix of engineer DNA may have made this possible (human Egg). Lastly the deacon, the deacon comes out with a more purplish color (Xenos are Black, Engineers are light, so this would make sense in a mix) and the skin is smooth and doesn't have as much of a insect look as the Xeno we see in Alien. Perhaps the Engineers had learned from their mistakes in the ship on LV-426 and wanted to create a "synthetic" Xeno that may actually be able to take orders and direction due to increased intelligence from the Engineer DNA. Or perhaps the Engineer DNA makes it possible for them to use human "eggs" as eggs rather than their traditional hives etc. To me this made a lot more sense but that is what is good about this movie until further explanation you can make up your own mind.[/size]
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