TheNextLV426
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 7:05 AM@galaticnorth
Yes the medpod is calibrated for a male, but it takes her all of 10 seconds to program it to perform the operation she wanted. Seems like it can perform any operation to me so I don't get your point
galacticnorth
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 7:16 AMMy point is that she found a way to describe an operation that the medpod was calibrated to perform. So what?
galacticnorth
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 7:24 AMI can have a go at people who treat artists as if they are their slaves. A lot of geek communities have a disturbed way of looking at writers or directors. if you dont like Lost...no problem. But making derogatory remarks about the writer because the ending isnt the way you pictured it thats another thing entirely.
"Give us what we want or else...:" That is the tone of some people on this board (and on george rr martin or starwars or U2 boards etc etc. There were actually people who started namecalling George Lucas because the Phantom Menace was not a mature masterpiece. They didnt care that the 10-year olds loved it the same way they had loved Star Wars back in the day :) Chances are the people who grew up with Star Wars wont like the Phantom Menace...i know i dont. It's a movie made for kids. Well shock and awe...i saw the original Star Wars on TV the other day and it was a movie made for kids. The story, acting, dialogue.....it didnt really stand out as a masterpiece compared to the Phantom Menace :)
TheNextLV426
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 7:54 AMThe phantom menace was a direct prequel to star wars and as such had to live within certain constraints. It also suffered from Ja Ja Binks syndrome.. Prometheus on the other hand had free reign to invent a new universe.
Give us what we want - no. Give us something that doesn't insult our intelligence - yes
Slipp_Digby
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 9:20 AM@galacticnorth
“if you pay that little attention to the movie how can you complain so much about it? Weylands goal was not to meet a live engineer. His goal was to change his 'longevity'.“
Weyland wants longevity, but there is very clear evidence he believes and expects to (physically) meet his maker and that this is his goal:-
- Shaw talks about Engineer’s during the briefing
- Weyland takes a robot that is clumsily shown to be trained in speaking ancient language. Not writing, SPEAKING. This suggests he expects to find someone/thing to communicate with.
- Weyland goes there full stop. If he just wanted to test a bioformer or steal technology - why risk such a long journey in stasis physically going on such a dangerous journey?
- Weyland is only taken out of stasis when David comes back from the second trip to the temple after he is seen joyously finding a live engineer in stasis. This is obviously a, if not THE key objective, he remains in stasis when the goo is originally found.
- Weyland risks one of his three remaining days of life to physically go into the temple to speak to the engineer, why not just wait for more tests to be sure, or why not send David or the others?
- David and Weyland are uninterested in Holloway and Shaw’s fate once they believe there is a live engineer. Despite the fact that the goo gave Holloway a f****in horrible death.
I think you may have missed a key point. Weyland considers himself a God (not in the religious sense) exactly like the engineers. He wants to physically meet his maker and ask for what he wants in person.
His death is symbolic – by making the request for immortality and not accepting death is inevitable - he is show to not be humble before his god.
Jeesh, if you pay that little attention no wonder you missed the plotholes!!
haha! ;)
Slipp_Digby
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 9:33 AM“Of course they think the bioformer is a possible means of rejuvenation....they would have to think very very untraditionally NOT to consider this possibility and test it out.”
I don’t expect them to perform a randomised controlled trial in space, but I do expect some common sense.
You would have to think very untraditionally to expose someone to an unknown agent without isolating them. You would have to think very untraditionally to do this to someone who is potentially infecting the ship, crew and air you yourself will have to breathe when you come out of stasis.
The point I was making was this character would have been stronger with clear motivation. If Weyland (and by extension David) is such a asshole devoid of morals who cares about no one but himself – and is will to kill people who have helped him - why the subterfuge to infect holloway? Why put it in his drink?
Take control of the ship by force. Just get a gun and force Holloway to take it. Your still f***ing murdering him but at least you can ensure you dont die with bulging viens at the wrong end of Vickers' flamethrowner by containing him.
In fact why take these people who could wreck you plans. Just have a team of mercs and David.
Does he want to kill him but isnt sure if he does?
How does this add to Weyland or Davids characters?
If David is so focused on his aim, why risk rescuing Shaw from the storm? Leave her, get the head (which might be useful to weylands aims) and leave Shaw out there.
These ambiguities are not rich character details which are intertwined in the plot, like say Ash's unbelievable decision as science officer to break quarantine in Alien.
They are the result of sloppy writing. Story led by script and not by strong believable characters which makes them really do anything in any situation to move teh story on.
The High Priest
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 12:15 PM@slipp_digby (above)
Absolutely mate - and so endeth the lesson.